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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 03:44 PM Original message |
Substantive Criticism of the Bill that just (sadly) passed |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
1. kicked and recommended |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 03:49 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. I too think that this bill was set up to fail to create access to affordable |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
2. Thanks for posting |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
3. The truth hurts -- |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 03:50 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. yep |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
5. 'health care industry's version of the Wall Street bailout' |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-23-10 03:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
102. Yep, this is nothing but massive theft & corruption just like the bankster bailout was. |
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Not Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
7. So does this mean... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
8. No one wants to believe that this is |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
9. Mendacity = Republicans. |
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BadgerKid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. I wonder if the history of the SS bill would give insight |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-23-10 06:10 AM Response to Reply #11 |
87. Only if you firmly believe that SS mandated purchase of retirement accounts from Wall Street n/t |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 04:04 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. ...and a number of their parents will. |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 04:29 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. They will anyway, without the HCR bill. |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 04:36 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Safe to say this isn't a win then...unless we were just "D" over "R" |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 04:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
23. The problem with your comparison is: |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 05:57 PM Response to Reply #23 |
36. Perfectly explained. nt |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 06:54 PM Response to Reply #23 |
47. +1000 |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 05:20 PM Response to Reply #9 |
27. The SS talking point would only be a fair analogy if SS had mandated |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 06:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
41. Mendancity is a trait that many people possess |
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robinblue (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 07:07 PM Response to Reply #9 |
55. as |
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Joey Kidd (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 09:32 PM Response to Reply #55 |
63. More like a swamp IMHO. |
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TreeHuggingLiberal (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 08:42 PM Response to Reply #9 |
60. They were fighting strawmen. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-23-10 06:06 AM Response to Reply #9 |
86. The first SS bill was NOT a mandate to invest in the stock market for your retirement |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
10. Have you actually read the bill? |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Yes I have. And I debated what I read with people on this board. |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 04:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. And yet you choose to post bullshit from discredited teabagger Hamsher. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 05:38 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. Deleted message |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 05:48 PM Response to Reply #20 |
32. Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 05:53 PM Response to Reply #20 |
34. Deleted sub-thread |
Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 06:23 PM Response to Reply #20 |
39. Berni, you need to get educated on this issue |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 10:48 PM Response to Reply #20 |
73. LOL, what desperate nonsense. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 10:52 PM Response to Reply #20 |
76. Deleted message |
SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 08:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
57. I'm sorry, NS.... |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 10:00 PM Response to Reply #57 |
65. Don't be sorry, |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 10:48 PM Response to Reply #65 |
74. I should just blindly trust all my fellow dems? |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 10:56 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. You did blindly trust with this bill. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 11:05 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Nice strawman, Nikki.... |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-23-10 05:37 PM Response to Reply #79 |
104. From the fact that you used the meme. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-23-10 07:50 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. And what "meme" would that be... |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-23-10 09:04 AM Response to Reply #57 |
97. Wow, you read 2,700 page bills that constantly get changed? Must be nice to have that much time |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
13. As Wanda Sykes said of the bank bailout, "We just can't stand to let rich people not be rich." |
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waiting for hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
15. K&R - for content. |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
17. Non-substantive FDL bullshit hidden via commondreams.org links. Nice try though. |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 05:48 PM Response to Reply #17 |
31. Fail: that's a variant of ad hominum attack: trying to deny the facts by discrediting the sourc |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 06:30 PM Response to Reply #31 |
42. What if the poster linked to the same information via Faux Gnus? |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 06:45 PM Response to Reply #31 |
43. Turnabout is fair play. The article is absolutely full of ad-hominem argument |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 06:51 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. the sad reality |
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Neecy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 07:00 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. even worse.... |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 10:29 PM Response to Reply #51 |
71. Yep |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 07:05 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. It's a shifting sand foundation draining stability away from the health care home toward |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 10:46 PM Response to Reply #54 |
72. You said it perfectly. |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-23-10 09:05 AM Response to Reply #43 |
98. Which part of the article are ad-hominem arguments? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 10:03 PM Response to Reply #17 |
67. Deleted message |
vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-23-10 05:57 AM Response to Reply #17 |
85. Yup...I haven't forgotten. She was a clown denegrating the bill. n/t |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
18. The great news is that it still may not pass and we can leave things as they are! |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 05:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
35. I believe it did pass and will be signed tomorrow by the President |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
21. Guess what..... |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-23-10 05:41 AM Response to Reply #21 |
83. Turning insurance into a mandated private utility (unregulated utility) isnt capitalism-its Econ 101 |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-23-10 06:17 AM Response to Reply #83 |
90. Very good. Please OP in the Economics section. Thanx n/t |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-23-10 06:14 AM Response to Reply #21 |
89. I see. So you think that Taiwan is the communist country and mainland China the capitalist one? |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
22. That is indeed substantive. K&R |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
24. Numerous nations have mandated private insurance |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 05:12 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Other nations that have established their systems through private insurance companies |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 10:24 PM Response to Reply #26 |
70. Exactly. And we have an individual mandate with no price controls. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-23-10 06:23 AM Response to Reply #24 |
91. There is not the slightest similarity between mandated insurance in the Netherlands and this bill |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
25. Thanks for posting. K&R |
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jannyk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
28. K&R |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
30. K&R |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 05:50 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. ps: as many have said: direct taxpayer subsidy to big insurers! |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
37. knr |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
38. k & r |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
40. kick. |
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Eyerish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
44. K&R |
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Biker13 (609 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
46. K&R |
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Luciferous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
48. K&R |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
49. k/r |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
50. Kicked and recommended. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
52. K&R |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
53. k & r nt |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
56. K+R. I grieve the lost opportunity this was. We should have gotten at least the PO |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
58. K&R |
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mikita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
59. thanks for posting this knr |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
61. I'd hardly call it "substantive"... nt |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
62. After my shit day on Facebook, I have to say that it's refreshing... |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 10:01 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. The right is against it because they've been told to be, not because they understand anything |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 10:13 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. I saw that one coming. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 10:22 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Does the child qualify for public health care? |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 11:42 PM Response to Reply #69 |
80. She will soon enough. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-23-10 06:25 AM Response to Reply #68 |
92. You mean they won't go bankrupt before 2014? Lots of luck on that one |
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Joey Kidd (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
64. K&R n/t |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
75. K&R! Excellent selections, both Hamsher and Hedges. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 11:01 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. You're welcome. |
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New Dawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-22-10 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
81. K&R |
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Stand and Fight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-23-10 02:31 AM Response to Original message |
82. Bookmarking to read tomorrow. Time to sleep... n/t |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-23-10 05:56 AM Response to Original message |
84. Did you hear parts of it are being struck?! |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-23-10 06:26 AM Response to Reply #84 |
93. Which means that low income but not abjectly poor people don't get care n/t |
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pecwae (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-23-10 06:14 AM Response to Original message |
88. K&R. |
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shotten99 (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-23-10 06:31 AM Response to Original message |
94. I'm not seeing cost controls. |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-23-10 07:51 AM Response to Original message |
95. K & R. And most substantive. |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-23-10 07:53 AM Response to Original message |
96. K&R |
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seafan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-23-10 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
99. Thank you for this post, Nikki Stone1. |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-23-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Thank you for this, Seafan. nt |
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seafan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-23-10 03:37 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. You're welcome, inna. Good to see you. |
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golddigger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-23-10 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
103. K&R |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-23-10 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
106. k & r |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-23-10 11:01 PM Response to Original message |
107. K&R. |
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