Rachel is talking about open carry militia groups who are organizing to threaten Democrats.

[onehandle]

They think they can overcome our military and overthrow our government.

What a joke.

One word, morons. Tanks.

Break all the Democratic HQ windows you want. Your time is coming to an end.

[msongs]

1. exercizing their rights ya know to open carry anywhere honest people congregate nt

[defendandprotect]

38. Right . . . and we're not all supposed to be threatened by the rise of the gun . . .!!!

[xultar]

2. Ummm hummm.

[KILL THE WISE ONE]

3. but what if BlackWater is on their side

[Bluzmann57]

5. But what if the National Guard is on our side?

They can and will obey orders and shoot to kill. Let's hope it never ever comes to that though. We certainly don't need that stuff anymore.

[RKP5637]

7. Kent State all over again except larger... I hope not. The environment in this

country feels very unstable today... that is sad. It feels similar to the 60's. The war, civil rights, assassinations, etc. etc. and RW behavior roaring, except today we have powerful media outlets spilling over with propaganda and misinformation driving the RW fringe.

[Dappleganger]

36. Then we need to stabilize it by not giving in.

Don't let them bully you around and don't play the victim. Be cool, be prepared, stand your ground.

[RKP5637]

40. Agree!!! n/t

[Winterblues]

51. Except at Kent State the students were just unarmed children.

Here we have morons with guns..

[KILL THE WISE ONE]

9. it just a little scary because, it could get carried away at any point

not to be an alarmist but .... ROME fell too. :popcorn:

[nickinSTL]

15. Roam?

n/t

[KILL THE WISE ONE]

18. i was all ways better at math then spelling

yes, some times spell check can bite you in the ass

[kestrel91316]

22. The only ones who need to be scared are the RW thugs making the threats.

We are watching them, and some of us are willing to be not so nice if it comes to that.

[defendandprotect]

41. That's the problem . . . they and their GUNS are being welcomed in Washington . . .

under GOP umbrella --

[barbiegeek]

53. Amen--Pay attention who could be a RWnut in your area

[RandomThoughts]

6. Black water usually means it is stagnant.

Black water, or other mercenaries are an ideology. They believe in serving dollars. A standing military, like US military, serves an ideal. Both can do good or bad, but on average, if you move a military from defending an ideal like the Constitution and rule of law, to being paid to do what ever they are told, you have issues that lead to worse results.

Black Waters problem is that it is a mercenary system, and that service can be corrupted by the biggest amount of dollars. To corrupt a system that defends ideals, you have to find a better ideal, not just more money. And corruption is not looked at as a better system by very many people. So the Country Military defend better ideas, and less corruption. The standing military of a country makes fewer mistakes, and is much less corrupted.

Hence why Military that defends ideals has the high ground over those that defend money.

[geckosfeet]

10. Ur joking - right? The government is their cash cow.

[Lyric]

13. Our REAL soldiers could kick the asses of those greasy Blackwater mercenaries

ANY day.

:patriot:

[galileoreloaded]

24. You realize they are one and the same right?

Today's 11b/c is tomorrows PMC.

[Lyric]

26. Nope, sorry.

Former soldiers, Blackwater mercs might be--but they are not the same thing as a real soldier. A real soldier serves under oath to the Constitution, is subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and if the call to fight is sounded, a real soldier fights because he or she believes in the promise of America. A fake-ass Blackwater mercenary is only in it for the blood and profit. Maybe they used to be soldiers, but they aren't anymore, and once they're no longer under oath to the Constitution, that makes ALL the difference.

[Posteritatis]

59. And even former soldiers are probably going to be letting things slip

Also less in terms of organization, discipline, logistics, esprit de corps in any number of situations, etc., even before factoring in the fact that Xe doesn't have armor and the like.

If in some hypothetical situation a regiment-equivalent of those guys faced off against an identically-equipped regiment-equivalent of regular soldiers, I know where I'd place my bets.

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. You realize many of them are former

green berets, seals and other elite forces from around the world?

Oh no you did not.

That is what is so damn fucking scary about these guys.

[Ozymanithrax]

4. What they are advocating is overthrowing the government throug terror...

Do what we want or we will kill you.

[goclark]

8. Help me understand why the FBI etc. can not stop

the window breaking at the offices of Democratic leaders.

[RKP5637]

12. The FBI might already be investigating it... I know when our really great

congressman got death threats the FBI and Capital Police were involved somehow...

[The Genealogist]

16. "might" be investigating blatant terrorism?

That is not good enough. The FBI better be taking names and stopping this insanity before it turns into something more serious. We are talking rabid, crazed people here. I doubt very greatly that the word "discretion" is part of their working vocabulary and I doubt even more greatly that the ability to even consider the sentiment exists among them.

[RKP5637]

19. I say "might" as I certainly have no idea what they are doing... n/t

[MissMarple]

11. So. Go on ahead. If they try shooting one of us, they may find some of us carry guns, as well.

[kestrel91316]

23. Some of us are good with other implements, and would have no

compunction about using them on any terrorists we ran across.

[MissMarple]

27. Knives, crossbows, boomerangs.....

What ever, many of us are proficient. I am ruthless with a kitchen knife, and my namesake is quite good with knitting needles, or so I believe. :)

The DUers who prefer the lounge probably have good skills, and the Gungeon folks...I'm just guessing they are quite proficient in a variety of skill sets.

[kestrel91316]

31. My preferred tool is a scalpel. lol.

[MissMarple]

32. LOL I'm sure you are quite adept. n/t

[Mojorabbit]

25. + 100 nt

[MissMarple]

28. Thank you. Awesome!

[DeschutesRiver]

29. I've carried for almost 3 decades, so it is nothing new for me

but I'd be willing to bet serious money that when most of these jokers see me around, I am the last person they figure is carrying, just like them.

I lived through the whole civil right things, and war protests. I am not in the least intimidated by a bunch of moronic gun toting tea baggers. Yes, I expect they will escalate to violence in small and limited ways, as folks have done in the past during difficult times. Heck, I am reading a book which is a written diary of the Great Depression (actually have read quite a few other accounts too).

You know, the Great Depression that everyone says is an example of how well everyone got along despite extremely frightening hard times. Well, that part turns out to be a fucking lie. There was violence. There were killings. There were people who turned to groups that made the tea baggers look like the 2 year olds that they are with their selfish outlooks and tantrums. And yet, tea baggers expect me to believe that their radicalism is to be feared, when they have grown up and grown old in some of the softest times we've known in American history?

They don't have what it takes to do an ounce of what they say they wish to do. Period. Yes, they can cause minor mayhem, spewing fowl phrases and words, even kill a few people along the way, toss bricks, whatever. But we've had other domestic terrorists before, like McVeigh who took out a building full of people, and international terrorists who took out buildings full of people without even a shot fired.

And my country is still here. And it is MY country, as much as theirs. In fact, I am thinking it is time for the other side of this coin, that is the rest of us who are now in the majority, to take back our country - or maybe just make it our country, as we did when we voted for progress and forward vision and Obama.

As we've just started to do with HCR and other things to come - and we don't need to walk around open carry to "prove" it. We just need to keep marching forward. And be ready to protect ourselves and our loved ones, just like people have had to do before (ie civil rights, when it got dicey and they came after us then with violence in their hearts).

If they want to take a shot at me, then they can stand in line with the other terrorists, and expect to be treated as such. I'm not going anywhere, and I will no longer live in a country ruled by those fools. I mean, seriously, never again. I plan to keep winning the war, and they can focus on their short lived little tiny battles.

This is my line in the sand.

P.S. Besides, I expect their "army" to dwindle daily. Some may actually leave the country, others will hole up with like kind and life will move on without their input or even a ripple in the river of life to show that they ever existed. And more will succumb to depression when they face the fact that they lack the spine to do anything like that and those will live zoned out on Zoloft for the rest of their days. The few that are left to do their "battle" will be mopped up by the feds.

[MissMarple]

33. Very eloquent. This deserves its own post.

I believe we think a lot a like. Kansas in the depression was not easy. My grandparents on both sides raised children through it. And they did ok. But it was very difficult.

I think that people who mouth off like these faux "patriots" do are sad, inadequate people, but they can be dangerous. Just as you said, they can get ugly. Be prepared, never assume, retain your civility. Most people want to do the right thing.

[DeschutesRiver]

52. thanks, and know that it comforts me to know

that I am not alone in my thinking:) My dh's grandmother was from Kansas, also raising families through those hard times. He remembers years later, when his grandmother was quite eldery, telling her that he'd seen a rattler in their backyard, and her calmly telling him to stay inside as she reached for her pistol to dispatch the threat to her grandson (and this was while she was living within the city limits). This side of his family were journalists, lawyers, judges, gov employees, and diplomats, and not one of them didn't carry a pistol. Some fought in the WWs, some in the Spanish American War. Living through history in the making makes this not a fantasy wish, but a need that mets your reality. His other grandparents were German, and his mother lived through the worst of Nazi rule and the hardship of, yes, actually taking a cart full of almost worthless money to exchange it for food.

My grandparents lived in Oklahoma, and the Depression wasn't as bad as the dust bowl horror that followed it. They were at times farmers, ranchers, WW fighters and whatever other things they could do or had to do to find food for the table where there was none. The generation before fought in the Revolutionary War, and later, the Civil War right here in their backyards. My grandparents fled Ireland in lieu of being killed by the British, and landed in B.C. Canada, where they populated the various islands there. I remember meeting an elderly aunt and uncle of my mother's, who lived a 100% self sufficent life on the end of an island, no power, no conveniences, a way of life that was no longer the norm, but their choice. Our combined family histories show people who are determined to survive even at great cost to themselves, who are willing to be warriors if necessary, and who know how to cherish good times wherever they find them, because they learned those can be fleeting.

So we are a product of people from several countries, who'd all seen the horror of what people can do to other people. We are, as they were and remained until their last days, fiercely independent and developed a live and let live attitude. Which extends only to the point where others become determined to extinguish our beliefs or the beliefs of others of like mind, at which point we understand history enough to stand up, push back and assert our positions by whichever means is appropriate to the threat displayed.

None of us ask for the historic events that may unfold in our life times - it is a random thing. What isn't random is how we as individuals choose to stand up and do battle for those things in which we believe. I think that tea baggers simply do not read history, or at the least, do not comprehend what their own personal histories should have taught them. Quite a few spring from the vile folks who fought against Civil Rights, by words, by deeds, by institutionalizing racism and hate in our laws, by violence and by even bringing in the power then of the state and federal governments to try to stop it. They threw every weapon they had available at it, and at the end of the day, how did that work for them?

Well, they now live in a country that has moved so far past their violent and futile efforts as resisting change that a majority elected a black president, and where their vile words and deeds are both causing some to recoil in horror, and others to get ready to open a can of serious whoop ass on them. The same majority of the rest of us are, I hope, slowing discovering the truth that the power to change only resides with those who realize that it is a special privilege that they must fight to use and retain.

My dh believes as you do, that most people want to do the right thing. I want to believe that, but I allow people to show me that they want the right thing either by their actions, or at the very least, by their willingness to listen to the opinions of others and debate issues in a heated but civil manner. I am not sure how things will evolve on a daily basis in this fight for my country, but I am flat out determined to prevail in the end.

[Dappleganger]

35. Wish you'd make this into an OP...

your thoughts are a great encouragement. Draw the line in the sand...it's time to take back OUR country!

[DeschutesRiver]

56. thanks doppleganger

I think we all need to keep encouraging and supporting each other, because I believe we are in for a tough time ahead on this and other issues. But end of the day, one side wins (at least for awhile), and the other loses.

When I was growing up, I lived in a world where what I consider tea bagger types had won by having their vision of the world control the daily events in mine. And I will not live in a world where the tea bagger types win ever again. But it won't be a walk in the park to achieve it, and I am ready for anything after the display I witnessed over the last months, weeks and even the last few days.

[Jack Sprat]

14. They are rallying our base.

I wasn't a big proponent of this particular HCR, esp without a Public Option that made private insurers compete. But, the wingnuts have gone so bonkers that I am now defending all Democratic 'Yea' members.

[The Genealogist]

20. The contents of the bill be damned in this case

There is no excuse for this ratcheting up from vile rhetoric to criminal action, no matter where ANYONE stands on the issue. It needs to be stopped fast, before a lot of people get killed. I agree with you...doing what we can to stay strong with the Dems is very important now, even if it just means sending them encouraging words when needed.

[RKP5637]

21. I went the same way, I thought it could be better, PO, etc., but the RW has

rallied me 1000% for it...

[UTUSN]

17. Don't forget Starbucks:

[Odin2005]

30. Let 'em try. We will crush these scumbags like the insects they are.

[Therellas]

34. am i imagining the lack of a police presence at the tea-bagger protests?

wheres the f#ckin sound canon now ?

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. I hate to point this out

but a well organized and drilled terrorist group CAN and HAS defeated modern tanks.

I also hate to point this out, but we do not know how infiltrated the military actually is.

[defendandprotect]

42. Depressing points . . .

[jgraz]

43. Actually, we DO know how infiltrated the military is

And the news isn't good.

http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/03/oath-keepers

[nadinbrzezinski]

44. No we don't, that's the tip of the iceberg

I am sure a few people at CID and FBI are not going after these idiots... facebook... OpSec... not the brightest...

But that article is a good indicator of what I fear is a worst case scenario... which for historical precedent, people should look at the massive resignations on or about 1859 from the officer corp.

[upi402]

45. Militia leader Mike Vanderboegh on Socual Security disability

:rofl:

But seriously;

The military has some real zealots in high rank :puke: This is how coups happen. And the media is firing them up like it's Venezuela.

[hayu_lol]

46. Most gun owners are stable and reliable...even when they...

carry. Danger in these mob gatherings is that the dregs of society are frequently included. Someone says the wrong thing, one or two guns are discharged and the scene changes to a mob slaughter.

Could happen and that is the danger of these massed events.

[upi402]

48. actually you're right

but they are also workers who support Bush to the end. So the rational part is out the window 100%

[nadinbrzezinski]

47. Mike is not your front line troop.

But his words can get a craaazeee to go off the deep end. You may remember an 80 something that went into a certain museum and killed a few people.

Guns are a great equalizer.

Perhaps it is because I have seen and smelled what that can and does look like, I don't laugh so much.

[upi402]

49. That sure would take the

laugh out of things. Very sorry to hear about that in your life. Sounds bad.

Frontline troops need to be held responsible, but to prevent a tragedy they need to stop the tail from wagging the other way, and arrest the instigators. And I include Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly and Beck in that as well.

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. Yeah well as a humanitarian worker

I got to hear the stories of Batallon 100... and a few other lovely things.

Civil wars are not like what these people imagine them to be like...

The blue and the gray aren't the way we fight them any more...

And as to wagging tail... there is this pesky first amendment... so they need to cross certain points for it to become ahem fighting words. This guy just might have crossed those wickets. I know that for certain he has the undivided attention of some folks in law enforcement.

[friendly_iconoclast]

54. The blue and the gray wasn't the way it was fought in Missouri and Kansas

That was largely a guerilla war, and every bit as nasty as the 20th Cen. ones.

Just search out the history of stuff like:

Jayhawkers

Bushwhackers

Bloody Kansas

William Quantrill

Jesse and Frank James

The raid on Lawrence, Kansas

[nadinbrzezinski]

55. Yeah but ask round, about how the civil war looked like

blue and gray.

As to Kansas, it had a longer civil war than the rest of the country...

Kansas little war anyone?

Oh that is way too much history for most.

By the way, a modern civil war will have a LOT IN COMMON with those...

[flvegan]

57. And this differs from last month/year/whatever ago?

Let them channel their inner Patrick Swayze and shout "Wolverines!" at the hills. Meh.

[yurbud]

58. breaking windows: how very kristalnacht of them.