Conservatives will start an open, armed insurrection within a year's time.

[Leftist Agitator]

My guess would be right after they are resoundingly defeated in the election in November, although at this rate, maybe sooner.

And if you think that it will only be a few fringe elements that will be easy to contain, I remind you that ~27% of the people of this country are Rightist ignorami who can easily be persuaded to violence by their favorite demagogues on TV and the radio.

They're utterly enraged, usually own numerous firearms, and think that their very existence (way of life, as they so charmingly call it) is threatened.

They WILL resort to violence, I assure you.

What can/should we do to stop them?

EDIT: See the following for reference:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4317047

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4318288

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4318592

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x446698


There are many, many more links I could have posted, but you get the idea.

[arcane1]

1. I'm not expecting anything hugely organized

But I will be astonished if we don't see smaller groups targeting defenseless people

[kestrel91316]

47. I expect them to target community health clinics, especially due to the

minorities that can be found there in large numbers (in my area at least). Also large gatherings of liberals, large gatherings of minorities, and of course liberal politicians and activists.

I don't care. They won't scare ME into shutting up or backing down. They'll just make me angrier and louder if they harm a hair on anyone's head.

[JohnnyBoots]

97. Will Community Health Clinics become the new Abortion Clinics...

Surrounded by protesters and under the constant threat of bombs....scary stuff indeed.

[proud patriot]

87. Hi Buddy !

I hope you are well :hi:

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. I don't know if a year, or less

but this is a cold civil war turning hot

And it will not look like any blue and gray marching on each other either.

But cue the ostriches...

[Leftist Agitator]

4. "But cue the ostriches... "

I'm waiting for the "You're overreacting! This is AMERICA!" brigade.

If only the myth of American exceptionalism was limited to the Right...

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. And right on schedule

That is because Americans learn myth, not history.

[Hannah Bell]

8. swine flu!! we're all gonna die!!

[Posteritatis]

61. You're overreacting! This is AMERICA!

Now that I've done it for them, back to the discussion at hand. ;)

To actually be on topic, I expect some violence but have no idea of the scale, organization or effectiveness at this point. I don't think I actually see anything really large scale, though that would be cold comfort to any victims.

[nadinbrzezinski]

90. Think Infitadah becuase that is the scale of what I fear

we will see

Many complex reasons for that... but chiefly modern civil wars tend NOT to be fought by armies, but by terrorist cells...

So it will be a very bad crime wave... and nobody will be the wiser.

:hi:

If it goes to the level of actually blue and gray that will be a break from the modern pattern.

Now the Kansas little war, and the James brothers are actually a good model of what we are probably in for... and that is bad enough.

[NeedleCast]

66. Same as the economy returned to the stone age, as you predicted?

Same as Swine flu killed millions as you predicted?

Same as we invaded Iran, as you predicted (repeatedly)?

[ixion]

3. Doubtful... it would require two things the vast majority lack:

1) You have to be in decent physical shape to be part of an insurrection.

2) It doesn't work well if you're an innate coward, and an idiot, to boot.

[Echo In Light]

7. While I suspect there will be isolated incidents, overall I agree

... and those incidents may very well serve to create a 'chilling' effect on like minded bozos

[ixion]

18. Yeah, I agree...isolated incidents

but nothing approaching the magnitude of an insurrection.

[daggahead]

20. Haven't we already seen isolated incidents?

Windows being smashed at DEM party offices?

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. Of course we have

but hey... what can I say?

[Echo In Light]

29. I'm saying that in a country of three-hundred million that hardly counts as insurrection

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. But that is how many civil wars start

and by the way... usually it is a MINORITY who takes to the barricades.

[Echo In Light]

41. Sans Magic 8 Ball, I guess we'll have to see what we see

[nadinbrzezinski]

44. I got the history of a few civil wars to back me up

on the pattern, including two in the US... the War of Independence which WAS a civil war and the war between the states.

The pattern is there... for those who care to open their eyes.

This is not a magic 8 ball. It is a PATTERN that is repeating itself.

What's the name of that guy who wrote about those who refuse to learn from history or something like that?

(Santayana)

[Echo In Light]

45. I'm unfamiliar w/you (sorry)...but, question: do you think 9/11 was an inside job?

I know, I know...you're asking, 'what the hell does that have to do w/it?'

I'm just curious. And if you'd rather not say, that's cool too

[nadinbrzezinski]

49. Independent of 9.11

but I could recommend a few books on civil wars and patterns that precede them regarding the coarsening of language and the spiral of violence.

As to your question... it really does not matter, for the sake of this discussion, if 9.11 was MIHOP, LIHOP or truly OBL and his minions.

[Echo In Light]

54. Objectively, no, doesn't matter. Subjectively, it did..& not in a snarky way

... it just got me thinking about something...but that's for another time

That aside, I've no doubt there are historic precedents/examples of violent social unraveling that parallel our situation. Some claim we've been there for decades now...other say the time is nigh. Who knows ...

[nadinbrzezinski]

Look at 1996 for the true begining of this

but the pattern is following a classic time line for civil wars going hot.

Oh and the obvious follows, I do hope Santayana is wrong on this one.

[catbyte]

14. lol n/t

[Andy823]

19. Yep!

From what I see on TV most of the idiots are old, fat, and sickly looking. I agree with others that there might be some isolated morons who do something stupid, or actually start shooting, but most of those who are gripping and complaining are also the ones who defend the wars we are in, but would never in a million years join the military and go over to where they might actually get shot at! The majority are all mouth, and while they may be stocking up on food, ammo and guns, they think they will have to defend themselves against the liberals, but in reality it will be their fellow "crazies" they really have to watch out for!

[conscious evolution]

53. Riechwing churches

have been running their youth thru paramilitary style training for a while now.
Trust me.They are in shape.

[wolfgangmo]

76. If this is anything like the "survivalist" training...

... I'm not worried.


It would be like shooting fish in a barrel. Any Christer threatens me or mine on or near my property they are toast. This democrat is an expert ranked marksman (10 / 10 in a tight grouping at 800 yards).

All of which is not to say that they couldn't cause a lot of problems - think OK city - but at least the vermin would be out in the sunlight and not under their rocks. Be prepared to hold steady to the law, obey peace officers (except those idiots in the oathkeepers), and video tape the bastards for later prosecution.

[conscious evolution]

78. The three groups

that I checked out in the Atlanta area all had ex military running the training.The groups were NOT a bunch of old fat assed chicken hawks most people are familar with.
Individually,they do not scare me either.But as a group under competent leadership they could be a real threat.And one thing our military does do right is create competent leaders.
Remember this also-This was only three groups I checked out.How many more are there around the country?

[elehhhhna]

62. 3) drunk

all the big reeps I know are also big boozers.

[L0oniX]

88. A large supply of beer and a fleet of pickup trucks.

[JVS]

6. I'm not worried about them. I'm worried that our leaders will decide that they need to compromise..

with them

[NashVegas]

9. Gee, I Guess We'd Best Stock Up On Ammo

Anyone else?

[FSogol]

10. No they won't. They are too lazy and too cowardly. Their mouthpieces

egg people on and the chickenshits sit around secretly wishing someone would, but are too lame to do so themselves.

Evidence?

1. The increase in militias during the Clinton years
2. The South still hasn't gotten around to rising again.

What to do about them? Keep voting for Democrats and laugh at them whenever you can.

[catbyte]

11. Agreed, FSogol n/t

[LostInAnomie]

12. I'm not worried. Conservatives by nature are all bluster.

A few lone nuts might do something crazy, but as a whole they are too cowardly to follow up their rhetoric with anything.

[Dappleganger]

13. Liberals have guns too. nt

[Nye Bevan]

15. No they won't. And you have cried "Wolf" like this in the past.

On November 5, we will see a spate of extreme violence against avowed liberals, non-whites, etc. perpetrated by outraged, frightened, and impossibly small-minded Republicans. Murders in the hundreds, nationwide, in the days following the election. Indiscriminate beatings and killings committed against anyone who Rush, Hannity, or O'Liely blames for the "catastrophe" of a return to Constitutional governance after 8 years of tyrannical pseudo-anarchy.

This may precipitate a civil war, and that's not an exaggeration. Think about it, a bunch of scared-shitless Republicans with an ample supply of firearms, and no qualms about using them to stop what I'm sure hate media will describe as a "communist coup (or worse)"... They will try to hurt us. They may well try to kill us. No, I'm not exaggerating.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4261042

So whatever happened with those "hundreds of murders and indiscriminate beatings"?

[Pyrzqxgl]

16. We've Gone thru other times when things like this were being talked about.

Think about followers of Huey Long, Father Coughlin in the 30's, Certainly Joe
McCarthy had his followers. I remember people talking about crap like this, but
talking is one thing and getting off their ass and doing is another. I don't see
Rush leading any parades with a gun in his hand. He just wants to stir up trouble
so he gets more listeners & sponsors. Boy do we need that equal time provision
back on radio & TV.

[global1]

26. We Might Have Gone Through Times Like This In The Past But The Difference Is.......

that it is easier for people to organize now - given the Internet. Also - guns are probably more readily available and more deadly than they were in the past. This is really getting scary.

[global1]

17. I Think If Arrests Are Made In These Latest Incidents That Took Place In The......

last two or three days and especially if guns are taken from these people - there will be a big public outcry on the part of the sympathizers of these people that their freedoms are being taken away from them and this will further incite violence.

It's almost like we're in a 'damned if you do - damned if you don't' scenario. If nothing is done about these incidents it will look like it's ok and if arrests are made it will further enrage these sick people.

I think we should be really afraid of what is developing - but I believe we need to thread lightly on how to put a stop to this.

I understand we are coming up on the anniversary date (sometime in April) of the 'OK' bombing and 'Waco'. I'm afraid we're going to see some violence on that day from the 'WACkO's' that think this is 'OK'.

I think that the most sensible thing to do is to have both parties (Dems and Repugs) make a joint statement coming out against such acts - and each party dealing with elements within to put a stop to it. That would mean that Repugs would have to have their radio inciters back off as well.

[county worker]

21. Arrest them, convict them and put them in jail

[annabanana]

22. Within a YEAR?... How about next MONTH..

http://restoretheconstitution.wordpress.com/about/

[global1]

31. Just What I Thought - Using The Constitution To Promote Potential Insurrection.....nt

[proud patriot]

89. OMG can you imagine the number of Porta Potties it's going to take ?

Lordy

[OneGrassRoot]

99. Rachel talked about the significance of this date the other night....

and how it is a beacon for the right-wingers. The Oklahoma City bombing occurred on this date, and it originally came into their awareness (though cloaked in the constitutional tidbit) with the Branch Davidian mess.

[Matariki]

24. No offense but your certainty coupled with your moniker is vaguely disturbing

[Leftist Agitator]

33. Vaguely?

[Matariki]

69. What? You were shooting for full-on disturbing? Or should I say 'agitating'?

:shrug:

[lonestarnot]

25. What bullshit.

[Mari333]

27. oh i have the vapours now

i might swoon

[Bgno64]

28. My question is, where's the media?

Because you know as well as I do that had liberals, in the run-up to the Iraq war, started smashing GOP office windows, threatening to "assassinate" GOP rep's families - it would have been the huge f*cking lead story. But the media is completely underplaying this - and that is specifically because the think that by reporting it the way they would if any other group was involved, they'll be tarred as the "liberal media."

[Bucky]

30. Then call the cops, but I seriously doubt it. They didn't revolt over medicaid or social security

They didn't revolt over the war on poverty or other "creeping socialism" programs. Dogs who bark don't bite. People go to war over racial issues--human beings spent 5 million years being genetically programmed to do that. But this business will die down within a couple of elections once it starts to be integrated into the existing health care market. It's just a handful of common sense reforms, so it's not going to be a big deal.

[Leftist Agitator]

34. "They didn't revolt over medicaid or social security"

They didn't have Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, or Glenn Beck egging them on back then. Nor did they have a news media that treats the idiotic grievances of a tiny cadre small-minded retards as national news.

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. They had Father Coughlin, the Rush of his age

but his reach was truly regional

[Bucky]

59. The Tea Partiers are higher profile than the Birchers and the CCC, but not less hysterical

Go to a library and read primary source accounts of the apocalyptic language opposing reforms of the past. There is nothing new under the sun. Trust me, time will wound these heels.

[proteus_lives]

32. I disagree.

[Leftist Agitator]

36. Your brevity is succinct.

[Codeine]

35. A few points.

One; the Pukes won't be resoundingly defeated in November -- that rarely happens in a midterm. We'll lose seats.

Two; owning firearms doesn't predispose anyone to insurrection. Many DUers own firearms, and we get mad all the time. I was mad for eight years straight and never started an armed insurrection.

Three; you've predicted this before. You're a big drama queen who craves attention by screaming nonsense like a madman on the subway. Why assume you're right this time?

Four; fat people do not revolt. Americans on both sides are fat as hell.

[Leftist Agitator]

40. "...by screaming nonsense like a madman on the subway."

If I were "screaming nonsense", I would call your response an intelligent, nuanced, well-reasoned rebuttal.

[Codeine]

42. Not a bad comeback, I'll admit.

However -- how about putting your money where your mouth is? A bet, say $100 to the charity of the winner's choice to be paid by the loser?

[Leftist Agitator]

48. I have a better idea.

Why don't you put a 30 foot placard on your residence that says, in big blaze orange letters, "AN OBAMA-LOVING LIBERAL LIVES HERE!"?

If you make it through the next twelve months, which you won't, then we can further discuss your proposition.

[MajorChode]

68. Plenty have similar signs

My son still has his Obama 08 bumper sticker on his car which sits in my driveway (I took mine off shortly after the election). I'm not too worried about mobs of fat, camouflaged, armed wingnuts overrunning the place and I live in Texas in a bright blue county. If they do, I will let you know.

I fully expect some localized violence and perhaps even some on the McVeigh scale, but "armed insurrection"? That sounds a bit far fetched and I hope you're just kidding. The average hardcore wingnut is a bit too grabastic for any sort of large scale operation involving more than about 3-4 rubes.

[Codeine]

73. HA!

I still have my Obama/Biden '08 placard next to my front door. Even in a red congressional district (Ken Calvert, sigh) I've had zero problems. Still have the Obama sticker on my car too.

You're easily frightened. You also know you're spouting silliness or you'd take the bet.

[Posteritatis]

94. Okay, that's one I need to jot down for future use. (nt)

[Brickbat]

37. I seriously doubt it. There's a lot of talk in this world, on both sides.

[spanone]

43. i doubt it.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

46. WRONG.

HAVE started. Not, WILL start.

[Leftist Agitator]

51. That's more like it.

[WilliamPitt]

50. Let them.

President Obama controls the 101st Airborne. My money's on the guys in the jump boots.

[nadinbrzezinski]

52. Go to mother jones and read the article on the infiltration of the Armed

Forces by oh the Oathkeepers.

realize that is the tip of that lovely and truly proverbial iceberg.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

55. ah, good to see your words again.

and thanks for the recommendation. I will check it out.

[backscatter712]

56. I doubt they'll get as far as open nation-wide revolt.

More likely, we'll see a situation like the Branch Davidian thing, or some other fringe group will start something, or maybe we'll see something like the Oklahoma City bombing or an assassination. It very well may get serious and cause some loss of life. About at that point, they'll cross the line where they can no longer get a pass under IOKIYAR, and at that point, federal agents will come down on them like a ton of bricks and break them. They won't let it get further than one bad incident or two.

[WeDidIt]

57. Shit, it's being openly called for on multiuple rightwing sites

There isn't a day that goes by where at least ten different Freepers openly call for armed insurrection in that cesspool or a forum.

[Javaman]

58. we won't have to do a thing, they will do it to themselves.

if anything have learned about the tea party ball licking patriot minute men is: each moronic member wants to be leader.

They usually end up pissing one or another off and they then fracture.

So if they start some sort of piss ant "rebellion" it will end with them shooting each other.

See this is the thing, one of my favorite historic topics is revolutions. Only very few are actually successful.

Those that are, usually enjoy popular support after a few early victories. American, French and Russian come to mind. What also is a common trait is they get help, usually, from an outside country or at least recognized.

That's the surface of it. In the details, the successful ones usually gain early support from various military units. Which intern supply an organizational structure, communications and power.

Those that fail suffer from massive disorganization, lack of a clear goal, no one leader to rally behind, mismatched weaponry and a fragmentation in communications.

If these tools ever start a "rebellion" they will be put down in sort order. I can hazard a few educated guesses regarding their training. They have none.

Playing soldier is vastly different from being an actual soldier. For example: a soldier will follow and order and execute such order. Morons will hear the order may or may not like it, argue the point, yell at the person giving the order, come up with their own idea, then promptly get killed.

They don't have a clue when setting up a defensive line other than what they read in Tom Clancy books. The few vets among them will try to instill some order but will be grossly disappointed when people look at them with blank expressions and generally panic.

They will more than likely have several different weapons of various caliber. Standardized weapons is one of the mainstays of an effective army. soldier #1 runs out, he can get ammo from soldier #2 right next to him. Moron #1 runs out of ammo, there is a slim chance that morons #2, 3, 4, etc will have the same caliber to share with him and even if they did, I seriously doubt, due to their obsessive compulsive nature to collecting guns, would give up any in a fire fight.

Since there will be no organizational hierarchy or basic communications (since cell lines will be down), the will be quickly enveloped. The morons will create a new definition of "fog of war".

That is of course, the "rebellion" doesn't include shelling. Even the toughest of army's have cracked under relentless shelling. Shelling in the movies is nothing, let me say that again, NOTHING like the real thing.

In the end, there will be dead people, destroyed property and a completely useless exercise in futility over an issue that actually helped these idiots.

And to quote a buddy of mine that saw duty in Viet Nam, "no one knows what it's like to be in battle until you are in battle. And no one, no matter how tough they think they are knows how they will react in battle".

[backwoodsbob]

60. they will not

[gmoney]

63. Good thing Obama set up the secret FEMA camps and the Americorps Army...

oops, was I not supposed to mention those?

[L0oniX]

86. Obama? Links? Sources? I think not. Bush ...yea ...more likely.

[gmoney]

96. it was a joke.

sorry, forgot to add the :sarcasm:

[RagAss]

64. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !

[NeedleCast]

65. Not a chance

Might be a few isolated cases of extreme stupidity.

[DailyGrind51]

67. We can always blog them to death, I guess?

The last liberals with true physical courage died at Kent State in 1970.

[Javaman]

98. So says the poster on a blog forum. nt

[The Midway Rebel]

70. It ain't gonna happen

But saying and predicting that it will happen will generate lots of hits on this thread...I'll bet. Congrats for that DU feat.

Face it, nobody, not even a "dumbass freeper", is going to take on the National Guard or a fucking Black Hawk helicopter.

Please don't say shit like this and give the MSM and the elitist who may be tuned into this thread stupid money making ideas.

[Xenotime]

71. Need stronger gun legislation now.

[proteus_lives]

80. The opposite, actually.

Stronger gun-control will only aid those who wish to destroy us.

[WeekendWarrior]

72. I doubt it

Believe it or not, I think the Republicans will finally figure out it's time to dial it back and it'll all peter out. Let's face it. Most of the people making these threats are cowards.

[That Is Quite Enough]

74. If and when they do, they will (hopefully) be crushed and desolated without mercy

Of course, seeing as how the vast majority of them are too spoiled and flabby and weak to actually pull a legit insurrection, I don't expect them to move up out of the basement and replace their cowardly vandalism and anonymous threats with out-and-out demonstrations of warfare.

[quaker bill]

75. :Perhaps

but not that many. Being politically enraged and putting you life on the line for it are entirely two different things.

If they do it, they will quickly discover just how lethally effective government forces can be. This could bring an end to the delusional NRA second ammendment fantasies, and finally bring about serious gun control.

[Name removed]

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[JustAnotherGen]

79. I hope global1 and Javaman are correct

And thank them for saying gently: Stay Calm.

I'm actively involved in Genocide Watch and Save Darfur. ACTIVELY. I've heard people in the media today and yesterday make allusions to "First they came for . . ."

When I express worry - it's because I DO see an analogy. No - not to the Nazi persecution of Jews, homosexuals, the 'deviants', the communists, the mentally or physically impaired etc. etc. This isn't like Pol Pot. This is nothing like the Armenian Genocide. Not the Balkans. Certainly not the gassing of the Kurds.

It's: Cut the Tall Trees. There are 'blessed' media outlets that drill this drivel of hate into peoples heads every single day. They have been all but brainwashed.

I belong to a site whose main focus is on relationships. It's women only, the membership is called prior to being allowed access (step relatioships, making sure it's not someone's husband's ex wife, etc. etc.). But there is a "Political Board" there. There are a handful of us die hard libs, a lot of what I consider the 'innocent's, a few true Conservatives, and a handful of Foaming at the Mouth Ditto and Beck Heads. Their hatefulness is apparent.

I could post there:
I am going to support the NRA, Anti-Gay Legislation, and the Patriot Act and I'm a Dem - and they'd scream (yes lots of emoticons there to get the point across) - You are a sociaaaaaaaaaaaaalist! You are a commuuuuuuuuuuunist! Your are eviiiiiiiiiiil. You are a blooooooooo sucker. Get a joooooooooooooooob. Leeeeeeeeeches! Eeeeeeeeeeevil! Baby Killeeeeeeeeeeeeer!

I've never seen so many people (who by the way also post in the Money and Credit forum about how broke they are) whiiiiiiiiiine about things that are in their BEST interests. I posted David Frum's article from American Enterprise Institute last night (outlining how the Right has done themself a disfavor by working for Fox) and *crickets*.

There is one woman in particular who cannot or will not see anything except the fact that Obama is a dangerous, believes the people who threw bricks are Democratic plants (Beck anyone?), Dingell (sp? I'm not quite sure of how to spell the nice Congressman from MI's name my apologies) gave away our BIG PLANS to Control the Masses, I'm a socialist, a communist, need to be stopped, etc. etc. By the way - she and her fellow Right/Libertarians/Birthers always say Obama and HIS SUPPORTERS . . .

She's not the only one. That level of 'ignorance' - the 27%?

I see no difference between them and the Hutus in the Rwandan Genocide. And we, the US refused to jam the airways. Now I know we have Freedom of Speech in the US, and that's a wonderful thing.

But we have a solid example of WHAT happens when 'uneducated' people are fed by their own will a message of fear, of hate, of Stopping Them Now, of Cutting the Tall Trees.

I have a friend, 30, former US soldier that served in Iraq and Afghanistan. After FINALLY getting out of the military, the Princeton Graduate took a job in Rwanda for a year and a half. He came back to the US in May, a leftist Democratic party member. We met while out in Princeton one night and had a lovely discussion about a little thing I did via Rwanda Partners a few years ago (phone system stuff for free), and his experiences there. He's met survivors, victims, perpetrators, and a few Twa (the tiniest members of that country :-) ). He left after a year and a half because he believes it is going to happen again.

We spoke this morning on another matter and he said: justanothergen - Remember when I said - I left because it was going to happen again. And I say, "Yes!"

He says, "With my degree in Politics from Princeton, 3 tours in the middle east as an infantry combat soldier, my year and a half in Rwanda - I'm telling you. This shit scares me."

DU'ers - This is the tough guy. This is not a weak man. And he is certainly not a dumb dumb. He's informed. He's seen the hate we've perpetrated abroad, the deaths caused abroad first hand. And he's seen the aftermath of death. People with hack marks.

And I said you K - it scares me too.

And he said - Just remember. All they heard over and over again was to fear the takeover by the Tutsis, they wanted to control them. They heard this day after day after day. There was a racial element to it. There is a racial element to this. And these people when told to cut the tall trees - will.


All of that said, if you have read any of my short one liners or two liners that past few days - I'm happy about the reform. But I believe this has sent these people who have heard WE - the Obama Supporters - are dangerous dangerous who want to control them - can and WILL act when told to cut the tall trees.

If you really dig into the Rwandan genocide - the individual stories, and there are many out there on the web in books, etc. etc. You will read time and again: It was my neighbor. I knew they were a Hutu. But I never thought they would actually DO that.


If you've read this far. Thanks. I generally don't cause problems at DU, or try to instigate things. I try to be respectful of people. I figure, we have HUGE tent on the Left. But I've sat at Genocide Remembrances and I've sat next and become acquainted with a woman who hid in her attic during the Rwandan Genocide and gave birth in the last 2 days. :-) That woman - Jeanne - would tell you. Beware of neighbors who seem 'kind to your face' but hold hate in their heart to you when they close their front door.


My final comment - Jam the Airwaves of any station that plays Liddy or Rush. And black out Fox news for a month until this all gets:
Investigated
Discovered
And Resolved

I know not very pro-1st Amendment. But at the end of the day - we've seen what happens when 'long held resentments' by weak minded people get mushed together with hate speech and calls to 'arms' on the air.

[nadinbrzezinski]

83. My friend... I know what your friend speaks off

and it scares the shit out of me.

I interviewed many a survivor from the Central American mess... ranging from oh Salvadoran women who "enjoyed" the attentions of Batallon 100... son of bitches some of whom work these days for outfits like Blackwater... to the mostly Quiche Women who survived the Guatemalan Army doing a little ethnic cleansing.

Trust me, the hate is there. I've heard survivors, and I've heard what they've spoken about... and their fears.

This, like your friend, scares the shit out of me...

And then there is the Kansas Little War... something many round these parts don't know shit about, but they better become acquainted with. Some of the language comes straight from that period in US History.

[JustAnotherGen]

95. I knew there was a reason I always have loved reading your threads

We aren't paranoid. And you are 100% right - it's the exact same language.

[Javaman]

100. Thanks for the props...

But I wonder sometimes if I'm insightfully hopeful or blinded by historic ignorance.

I wrote here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8005009

About how we got to where we are today. The below the surface simmering violence being displayed via these passive aggressive techniques the fringe right are using to intimidate.

Both our revolution and civil wars were decades in coming. One looks back at the trends and paths that were taken, and it's easy, via 20/20 hide-sight, to see the ultimate conclusion.

Could our current mess be something made of recent events in history? Was all of this put into motion via the republican take over of our national psyche? The slide to the right regarding civil, human and basic rights over these past 30 years could easily be used as an example of the cause. Or could it go much deeper than that?

Has this trend started in the civil rights era? Did the marches of MLK, Malcom X, etc, sow the seeds of hatred being displayed by the right? Where those things the base?

Or do go back to the red scares of the 30's 40's and 50's as the origin of our problems?

Or keep it really plane and simple, has the south, and now groups through out the US, never truly gotten over the loss of the civil war? The Emancipation of African Americans? The doing away with slavery?

So many possible contributing factors are at play.

How the right chooses to slice and dice this matter is for them to decide, but to me, no matter how many talking points they use to explain away the behavior of the tea party, the libertarians, minutemen or any other splinter cult-like group, it all comes down to racism.

They enjoy using smoke and mirrors to fog the media, distort the view and convince and brainwash the easily lead, but in the end, it's pure racism.

Reflecting upon recent events, concerning threats, brick throwing incidents, gas line cutting and racial epithets; these are part of the sum total of what we are quickly approaching.

I truly believe that within the next 2 months, or perhaps next month, there will be a violent act committed by one of these groups.

I used to believe that it took several years for a movement to go from a simple group of people pissing and moaning about something to open violence, but no longer. With the advent of the internet, their hateful concepts and ideals spread now, like wildfire. No longer do people sit and talk about their plans, they now send out "bulletins" lightening fast to all their members and wanna-be's. No thought goes into it. It's read, ingested, then acted upon. Robots.

Whatever violent act that takes place will be done via a willing volunteer without any deep thought to cause and effect. In essence, a type of suicide bomber. They may or may not blow themselves up, but they will commit their act of violence with little to no regard to the after effects. It's all about the here and now.

The one positive thing about long drawn out wars, is the effect it has on the population. Generally speaking, the want of a war dissipates for a number of generations. The only problem with the US is: our last war on our own soil was almost 150 years ago. That's a lot of time for people to forget.

That is what scares the living daylights out of me.

(sorry for the long winded respoince)

[Danger Mouse]

81. I doubt it. The rightwing media is too cowardly to push something like that.

Since that would mean them going to jail. For treason. Which is punishable by death.

[MrSlayer]

82. And they will be eliminated with extreme prejudice in a short amount of time.

There is no way this can happen. They may be 27% of the population but they are spread out all over the country. Are they all going to move to one place and form up? Who are they going to attack? Or are they just going to go all Al-Quaeda on us?

[Better Believe It]

84. The capitalists don't need them now to maintain their political and economic control.

They are doing very well using the two major political parties.

So your fears about a mass fascist movement trying to take power in a year is unwarranted.

However, it's important that progressive organizations begin building mass movements that take it to the streets and workplaces with mass actions and organizing drives.

If a mass reactionary movement takes control of the streets this decade a real and immediate danger of fascism will exist.

[L0oniX]

85. They are not the only ones with guns and they should keep that in mind.

I'm sitting on 2000 9mm rounds just for my monthly target range practice ...but then I do hold a G security license and must stay proficient.

[cbdo2007]

91. I doubt it - they're more likely to kill each other over a fender bender,

showing off their guns than to actually have any balls to uprise en masse.

Really, some of them are getting some press but of the tea baggers I know in person, they are too big of cowards to ever bully someone in person other than their wives or kids.

Besides, Obama has the military on his side and they have the militaries of pretty much the entire rest of the world on their side, so I'm not too worried about it.

[Aristus]

92. We'll wipe the floor with them. An insurrection that lays down its arms for every NASCAR event

will be easy to defeat... :+ :P :silly::crazy:

[Beringia]

93. too lazy

[olegramps]

101. Highly unlikely. Many of these idiot groups are already infiltrated by informers.

The KKK was the only organization that had this potential and they totally evaporated when their extremism got out of control. The American public turned against them when their leadership was exposed as a pack of degenerates. Many in their ranks had serious personal problems. I don't suspect that the latest collection of misfits are any better. If these trash even attempted to assassinate any citizen, let alone a representative in Congress, public opinion who turn against them overnight. Look what happened following the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King. These people will turn on each other like rabid dogs.