Why exactly are Republicans mad about the health reform bill?

[New Earth]

I know there are some bad things about it, but also good. I like the way TYT video broke it down. But what exactly are THEY mad about? I'm asking honestly...cuz I really don't know :shrug: If anything, people who wanted public option should be more mad than those who didn't :shrug:

Oh and I mean more specifically, republican supporters, not politicians.

[gravity]

1. Their leaders told them to be mad

[Matariki]

27. *bingo*

I doubt it's anything more than that.

[Froward69]

33. reinforcement of the reality

of Losing an election... arrogance has a difficult time accepting loss. sometimes it takes multiple losses to "hit rock bottom". acceptance of, and acknowledgment of one's own failures, is very difficult.

it is not so much anger at Democrats or Liberals. anger at them selves, thus the lashing out at the (Perceived) cause of ones own losses.

we could feel sorry for them, that would be the nice thing to do. But I say "Cry me a river, stump fuckers."

[Hello_Kitty]

2. Must be that it's a victory for President Obama.

It's making their heads explode.

[deacon]

45. Well, they brought up the "Waterloo" stuff. They NEED failure. n/t

[babylonsister]

3. They didn't/don't want Dems to realize any kind of success, especially

something this massive and long-lasting. They're pissed this HCR bill passed and they're showing their really ugly side (though imo that ugliness applies to all sides).

[The Wielding Truth]

4. They hate the idea of sharing and they esp. hate sharing with the poor.

[MindandSoul]

5. The Reps are just mad because it's not THEIRS to claim for posterity!

They missed the boat!. . .This bill needs improvements over the years. . .probably for the next 20 years!!!
But the HISTORICAL date, and the HISTORICAL pictures totally belong to the DEMOCRATIC party. . . .and always will!

They missed the boat!

[FatDave]

38. They've missed every boat. (nt)

[BrklynLiberal]

6. Mainly because it is a victory for Democrats....and for Obama in particular.

The fact that it cuts into the profits of their corporate sponsors may be a factor as well


The ignorant and the fearful have been manipulated and stoked by the evil. The Repukes and RWingnuts have stirred the pot just
in order to prevent the Democrats and President Obama in particular, from claiming any sort of victory.
The "leaders" do not really care about health care, big government, death panels, the right to live, or any of the other
talking points they spout over the air waves. All they care about is maintaining control of that which keeps
them in power....and gets them richer and richer.
The followers are just that..like lemmings running blindly over the edge of a cliff into the ocean.

[Duer 157099]

The error is expecting anything logical from them

I learned long ago that it's pointless to try to understand their rationale, simply because there is none whatsoever.

That's not hyperbole, either.

[WolverineDG]

7. They're mad because they lost

and like all 2 year olds who don't get their way, are throwing a temper tantrum. I just wish they'd take a big swig of "Grow the Fuck Up."

dg

[depakid]

8. That's basically the deal- it's like a high school football game to them

and unfortunately, to a whole lot of DU'ers too.

[robinblue]

9. It resembles RommeyCare a lot so I am wondering

what the problem is also. The market based-please the shareholders base that it is built on should please the heck out of them.

[YOY]

10. Because we just did their job for them...again...

Nothing like when we get called "soshulists" when we come up with a conservative solution to a real problem.

I'm sure if they wern't committed to inactivity they'd have come up to the same solution.

[rucky]

11. It's a government takeover

and it's socialist.

That's all I can get out of them. Sorry.

[New Earth]

19. but it's NOT socialist!

at all! that's what I'm trying to figure out. why they think it's socialist. :wtf:

[anarch]

26. because that is what they have been told to think

if the Democratic party passes any legislation, it must be socialist.

And from the few short conversations I've had with any Repubs on this, it seems they're worried that this will somehow erode the overall quality of healthcare and make them have to wait longer to see a doctor.

And that somehow all of this will bring on a Soviet style society where there is no capitalist golden ring to strive for, and therefore our society will slide into apathy and malaise.

I dunno. I don't get it. I'm personally just pissed that this is apparently the best we can do, and would love to see some kind of actual health care reform instead of this gift to the insurance companies. I still can't afford to go to the doctor, even with insurance, so I probably don't have much chance of living long enough to see this, though.

[rucky]

28. What it comes down to is the subsidies.

Cut through all the lies they buy into, and it's the same conservative crappiness when it comes to taypayer-funded social services. They don't want their money going to that imaginary welfare queen who won't work and lives the high life on government services. It makes them crazy that any of their money is going to help people they deem unworthy of help.

I got into it with alot of teabagging types this week, and this is the thing that was commonly said among them.

[TheGunslinger]

12. Because someone making $1,000,000/yr has to pay another $7,000 in taxes

[New Earth]

21. ok, this is what I was trying to figure out!

What do people who make that much money have to pay for with this bill? That's one of the things I heard, people who make more money are gonna end up having to pay more taxes. I don't remember hearing or reading anything about the bill yet that mentions this, and what is the tax used for? I was trying to find this info all day and couldn't....not even on DU...

[grahamhgreen]

41. ****crickets*****

[TheGunslinger]

43. It's used to help subsidize paying the premiums for those falling under that 4x poverty level

I believe making no more than 133% of poverty level means 100% of premiums are subsidized and that fades out up to about $88,000/yr.

[sendero]

13. They are mad .....

.... because they couldn't stop it. It's passage is evidence of the complete impotence of the GOP. And they don't like it.

I was (and still am basically) against this bill but I have to admit I'm enjoying the puke meltdown very very much.

Message to rethugs: now you know how I felt when you passed the IWR, or the tax cuts for the rich, or the patriot act, and so on. Fuck all of you.

[New Earth]

20. lol!

[TheCowsCameHome]

14. Because a black man named Obama wanted it.

[RKP5637]

15. Many are too ignorant to understand the bill. They react, they don't think. They

don't like a black person as president. They are selfish bullies that don't give a damn about others. They think how their power broker keepers tell them to think. I could go on, but I know you get my drift...

[Posteritatis]

16. A black Democrat was involved, and they believe wealth equals worth. (nt)

[New Earth]

well

the repub. supporters seem to be really misinformed? I saw facebook groups saying TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY IN 2010 because the health reform bill is a huge government takeover. :wtf: Yeah it sucks about the mandate, it sucks that eventually the insurance companies might end up making MORE money of us, BUT - the other things that did pass really are historical. It affects THEM positively too. Do they not care about their own health? :wtf:

[BrklynLiberal]

Obviously not

[HughMoran]

17. Their 'team' didn't win

Politics has become a team sport. Republicans are the moronic fans who hurt people & destroy stuff when they lose.

[chollybocker]

18. Because it was signed by a black president.

[inna]

22. two reasons - ignorance and propaganda

[brewens]

23. Every Obama success is a steaming pile of shit smeared right

in their faces! A black Democrat being a great President is their worst nightmare.
How does it make them look after 8 years of Bush?

[madokie]

24. My take for the reasons is

If the President is seen as a success they know it will be a hard row to hoe for them to ever get back in the good graces of the American people especially after all the bullshit and lies they've been telling so they are against anything that is Obama. Our republicon party of today is not a party with the best for America at heart in any way. Money, Power trumps all to them

It is not they are against this bill they are against Obama period

[RKP5637]

25. They are the same type of people that riot at a sports event 'cause they didn't

win.

[alp227]

29. As Alan Grayson put it, Republicans want the sick to "DIE QUICKLY!"

Republicans want privilege, not equality. They take the easy way by saying stuff like "I don't wanna pay for deadbeats' health care" when in fact there are many hardworking Americans (some even conservatives) who can't get health care because of insurance company abuse and other circumstances not really their faults.

[FLAprogressive]

30. because most of the provisions of the bill were their ideas and they didn't get to implement them

[Edweird]

31. Republican supporters? That pretty much makes them idiots, and then anything is possible.

So who knows?

[rocktivity]

32. It's called "losing to a black guy."

For both Rethug politicians and supporters, it was never about health care reform itself--it was about it being a symbol of Obama being in charge.

The Rethug political leaders wanted to stop him because it would give them leverage to stop him on everything else, but now Obama and the Dems have the leverage to succeed on the rest of their agenda. The supporters, meanwhile, went all in on the Rethugs and crapped out. Their "movement" is nothing more than the tantrum of an overgrown brat.

:headbang:
rocktivity

[unblock]

34. they're NOT mad for policy reasons. they're mad for political reasons.

if shrub or mclame or palin had proposed the same exact bill they would have voted unanimously for it and triumphed it as a major deficit-cutting compassionate conservative law.

the *ONLY* reason they hate it is because it wasn't their plan.

take away partisan politics and they got nothing.

[grahamhgreen]

40. This and the fact that big insurance cash will now flow more freely to the Dems, not Repubs

[rurallib]

35. This means they are no longer calling the shots. Game over for them.

[kenny blankenship]

36. They were told by their Grand Wizards and their Obersturmfuhrers that when Barack Hussein Obama

got into office and his administration and the Demoncrats in Congress did something BIG, whatever that big legislative move was, it would be the start of SOCIALIST TAKEOVER.

Giving a few trillion dollars to the banks in cash and backstops doesn't look like "socialist takeover", although that could have been a precondition of aid, had Democrats had the heart for it.

But they keep watching the skies! Keep watching the skies!

This Act of Congress however is more obviously in the tradition of "Demoncrat social engineering", and given the enormous size of the insurance industry, this looks like it could be the prophesied "Socialist Takeover" at last.

[hunter]

37. I was trying to figure that out too.

Honestly, this bill saved the health insurance industry as it now exists from imminent collapse, for a little while anyways...

The health insurance industry was in worse shape than the banking industry ever was as healthy people jumped ship or lost their jobs, leaving only the people who couldn't be without insurance trapped within the system.

[New Earth]

39. Thanks everyone for the replies

and the laughs :) So pretty much what I suspected....there is really no reason for them to be so upset :shrug:

[Kievan Rus]

42. Glenn and OxyRush are telling them to be mad

[deacon]

44. Because they don't give a shit about people. They just want the white house back. n/t

[Geek_Girl]

46. Republican politicians don't want the Dems to succeed and they are trying to regain power

They are stirring up their knuckle dragger follows to win back power.