You can not deny children under 18 insurance for any reason ever

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Now, I'm not a lawyer. But how fucking hard can it be to write something like this and make it law without leaving all kinds of loop holes in there? Legislation doesn't write itself, bills are written by very competent lawyers way above my pay grade. So it's hard for me to believe they aren't capable of writing something like this and making it stick unless they want to leave loop holes in there. Maybe I'm naive, but I'm starting to get the impression that the system we have is completely screwed up.

[golddigger]

1. I have been under that impression

for a long time now.

[dixiegrrrrl]

2. Actually, you do not deny any child under 18 apprprpiate heatlh CARE for any reason.

We have got to stop parroting the INSURANCE line.
Affordable effective health CARE is what should be the norm.
And people have allowed themselves to be moved from that line onto the INSURANCE meme.

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3. I understand that, but I'm talking in the context of this bill which was sold as insurance reform

If they can't get health insurance reform right they sure as hell can't health care reform done right, and it's intentional.

[kestrel91316]

5. How about the radical notion that you cannot deny adequate healthCARE to ANY HUMAN BEING?

I love this bill. I will finally be able to afford a decent insurance policy. But, by God, I want SINGLE PAYER to be the law of the land in my lifetime.

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7. I'm glad you will be helped by this bill

I get pissed because this bill won't help me and all the other stories I read of it hurting people. It is nice to see some stories of people that will actually be helped, and I mean that sincerely.

[kestrel91316]

8. I think the naysayers are going to be pleasantly surprised by just how many are helped by it.

It's the right thing. It's not Single Payer, but it will suffice for the time being until this nation is a bit more ready to enact SP.

BTW, much more in the way of abusive premiums by the ins cos, and this country WILL be ready to enact SP. Just watch. Because they now see healthcare access as an entitlement.

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9. I think the yaysayers will also be shocked by how many young single americans will be hurt by this

So it is nice you and many others will be helped. But dont sit on your high horse brushing off the people that will be hurt, they exist and they do so in great numbers.

[LiberalFighter]

4. What are you talking about?

The HCR bill's language refers to children up to 26.

What loopholes are you referring to in the bill?

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6. There was a loop hole discovered yesterday that could allow insurance companies to deny care

for children with pre-existing conditions.

The white house said HHS will TRY to fix this. My question is how does a loop hole like this get in there in the first place?

[ecstatic]

10. It has been fixed. How does it get there? Probably by not having someone who

can proof read the documents from the perspective of the insurance companies.

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11. It hasn't been fixed, they said they will try to fix it

And the point you are making about the insurance companies is exactly the point I am making. And this doesn't anger you?

[LiberalFighter]

12. I would blame the damn Republicans.

If they had worked in a bi-partisan manner this would had a better chance of being avoided.

Considering the 2,000+ pages the Democrats did a fine job.

On edit: Although if I had done the layout it would had been reduced down to about 1,000 pages or at least reduced by 1/3 pages. If I had reduced it down by about 1,000 pages it would not be double-spaced and have 2 inch margins.

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13. Did the republicans write this loop hole? No? Then stop using them as a crutch for everything

[LiberalFighter]

14. They refused to aid in the process!

And I'm not using them as a crutch for everything.

Appears that you would rather support those Republicans.

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15. Stop using straw man arguments, it makes you look disingenuous

My point is simple, the republicans had nothing to do with this loop hole, they didn't write it. The democrats did. And if you think republicans should be more involved offering real ideas then nobody can argue with you, but that's not an excuse for democrats slipping in loop holes on purpose.

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

17. Kids over 18 who are not students won't be dropped

from their parents coverage until they are 26.

That is already the law in a dozen or more states - MA, CT, NH, MN and Iowa are the ones that come to my mind right now. This makes it universal and from what I just read it makes it NON-TAXABLE and THAT is a big f**king deal. We have to add over $5000 in taxable income to each employee who covers their 19-26 non-student kids now. $5000 PER KID.

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16. k&R