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srf Rantz Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 02:13 PM
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Call Me Crazy...Please!
A relative sent me one of the RW chain mails this morning asking me if it was true.

Here is the body:

FINALLY SOME ONE ASKED HIM THE QUESTION! ON "ABC-TV" Monday October 12, 2009 DURING THE "NETWORK SPECIAL ON HEALTH CARE".... OBAMA WAS ASKED:

"MR PRESIDENT WILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY GIVE UP YOUR CURRENT HEALTH CARE PROGRAM
AND JOIN THE NEW 'UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE PROGRAM' THAT THE REST OF US WILL BE ON ????"

THERE WAS A STONEY SILENCE AS OBAMA IGNORED THE QUESTION AND CHOSE NOT TO ANSWER IT !!! IN ADDITION, A NUMBER OF SENATORS WERE ASKED THE SAME QUESTION AND THEIR RESPONSE WAS."WE WILL THINK ABOUT IT." AND THEY DID. IT WAS ANNOUNCED TODAY ON THE NEWS THAT THE "KENNEDY HEALTH CARE BILL" WAS WRITTEN INTO THE NEW HEALTH CARE REFORM INITIATIVE ENSURING THAT THAT CONGRESS WILL BE 100% EXEMPT!

SO, THIS GREAT NEW HEALTH CARE PLAN THAT IS GOOD FOR YOU AND I... IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR OBAMA, HIS FAMILY OR CONGRESS...??

WE (THE AMERICAN PUBLIC) NEED TO STOP THIS PROPOSED DEBACLE ASAP !!!! THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG !!!!!

PERSONALLY, I CAN ONLY ACCEPT A UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE OVERHAUL THAT EXTENDS TO EVERYONE... NOT JUST US LOWLY CITIZENS... WHILE THE WASHINGTON "ELITE" KEEP RIGHT ON WITH THEIR GOLD-PLATED HEALTH CARE COVERAGES.

If you don't pass this around, may you enjoy his Plan!

WHAT???
The Republic has a CONSTITUTION???

Amendment 28

Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators or Representatives, and Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States .

Imagine what would happen if everybody passed this around?


Here is my long rambling, somewhat furious, stream of consciousness response...

Utter total and complete garbage.

There is no "universal health care" program.
Unfortunately.

That would have been the best solution. The most efficient and simplest solution would be to open Medicare up so anyone could enroll instead of limiting it to only over 65. Medicare isn't 'universal health care' either but it could have been universal non-profit affordable health insurance so that everyone could have access to health care.

This bill is not even "health care reform".
There are really NO CHANGES TO HEALTH CARE in this bill.

It is HEALTH INSURANCE REFORM. It stops certain key abuses of the insurance companies.
Stops them from canceling policies when they find out you need an expensive operation, like they did to me.
And stops them form refusing to cover "pre-existing conditions" like they did to me.
It doesn't go far enough or go into effect for 4 years for adults on the pre-existing, but immediately for children.
It also eliminates lifetime limits on payouts, and eventually removes annual limits which allows ins. cos. To stop paying after a limited amount, like they did to me. (my bills totaled over $200,000, they only covered up to $100,000 after I met the $2000 deductible and $5000 out of pocket, not to mention the annual premium which they have almost doubled now.)

It requires everyone to have insurance, but it also creates "pools" or "exchanges" where consumers can "shop" for insurance and get the best plan and theoretically lower premiums as they would now have to compete for the business instead of pick and choose just healthy people.

In fact the changes to how we have opportunity to purchase health 'insurance' competitively is based on the system congress now has access to. This, in fact was Obama's idea, and he often said while selling it, basically, if its good enough for congress its good enough for the people--why shouldn't everyone have access to the same coverage as congress?

So the chain email you sent me criticizing congress for forcing this down our throat and suggesting they should have to have the same type of plan is completely bogus.

But its a start. They threw us a bone.

Again to repeat and defuse the lies going around:

NO GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER OF HEALTH CARE
NO GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT IN HEALTH CARE WHATSOEVER!!!
NO REAL LOSS OF LIBERTY*
NO SOCIALISM
NO DEATH PANELS
NO GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRATS BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR HEALTHCARE**
NO RATIONING OF HEALTH CARE

Instead

GOVERNMENT PROTECTING US FROM PREDATORY INSURANCE COMPANIES AND THEIR HEARTLESS INHUMANE PROFIT-DRIVEN MOTIVES

while at the same time

GUARANTEEING THE FOR-PROFIT INSURANCE COMPANIES CONTROL OVER OUR ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE.

*Depends on how you define "liberty" of course. Yes, you can call the requirement to purchase health care, "loss of liberty", but in truth it only affects those healthy people among the 15% currently uninsured who think they can get by without it and therefore don't buy in, causing enormous strain on the rest of us and the system when they do get in a car accident and need massive expensive surgery which is why hospital bills and insurance premiums are so high, to cover the uncovered and those who can't pay. Although this feature was forced in by the insurance company lobbyists in exchange for agreeing to the other major concessions and will guarantee them millions of new healthy customers, it also adds to the pool of money available to all who do need coverage and therefore should reduce premiums (although knowing the ins. cos. They will figure away to avoid any loss of profit because the bill was kept toothless in this regard). Republicans love to tout "personal responsibility" when it comes to poor people who can't afford food or rent, now here is a law requiring "personal responsibility" (which their own lobbyists pushed in btw) that they are railing about now, most loudly only after the act of passage (they didn't want it taken out, they wanted it in, they didn't start to complain about it very much until after passage, they kept pretty mum, so they could campaign against it. The left wanted it out, and/or the "public option" in to counterbalance. The "public option" btw, was simply a non-profit alternative insurance plan that would have been offered through the govt. Sort of like Blue Cross used to be long ago.) You can still opt out of the mandate, and suffer a fine, and I believe individual states can over-ride the requirement, (but now I hear that the fine has been removed, so its basically toothless, I need to look into this more, just heard it last night...)

**Unfortunately you will still have a profit driven bureaucrat employed by the insurance co. Between you and your health care like there is now who receives a bonus when they find a way to deny you an expensive operation your life may depend on, like they did to me. But a lot of their methods are now illegal or will be eventually, which explains why they fought it so hard.

===================================================================
PART TWO - WHY I WENT OFF or CALL ME CRAZY, PLEASE

This is only the tip of the iceberg of the massive disinformation campaign waged by the right wing corporate propaganda machine. We are now seeing the early signs of violence as a result of large numbers of people believing the lies. I am deeply concerned about the armed gangs of "tea partiers" being told to "lock and load! They're coming to get us!!!" which will very likely lead to some kind of shoot out ala Waco. This is intentional. This is a self-fulfilling prophecy and is intended to lead to an even a wider outbreak of violence, and eventually to require some kind of government crackdowns, thus confirming the certainty of their beliefs in their persecution at the hands of the government ("See we're weren't paranoid! They are trying to round us up!") which will in turn further fuel their anger and resolve. The situation will escalate until we have martial law and/or a military coup. Eventually the current administration will be overrun, congress disbanded and most likely an authoritarian dictatorship installed ala Allende's Chile, or even 30s Germany. (ok this really does sound crazy, but I will fill in how this could happen in another post, this one is far to long already)

Only then will they (perhaps) see that the government conspiracy they saw and feared was not part of a plan to instill a totalitarian socialist system but an authoritarian fascist one. But they won't care. They will be part of the government shock troops now and employed seeking out and persecuting all those "reds under the bed."

This is what has happened before, over and over again. This is the truth of what is coming.

I seriously believe this is the planned result and we are in the end game now.

Call me crazy, Please!

Call me a conspiracy nut if you like, but I have a friend who worked for the CIA in the 60s and 70s and he confirmed that there is in fact a shadow government, the same guys who did this sort of thing all over Latin America and elsewhere for decades, who have been planning this and setting it up for years. All the signs are there, all the steps clearly visible. (Naomi Wolfe where are you now that we need your voice?)

One of the biggest ironies is Glenn Beck and his ilk pointing this out in part, but twisting it around and blaming "progressives" or "liberals" who are of course the enemy of any such corporate fascist takeover and the one thing potentially standing in the way of its success.

This is CLASSIC COINTELPRO: misinform, misdirect, demonize the opposition, demonize the current leader. Pre-emptively reveal parts of what is really going on and blame the opposition, thus completely neutralizing them and any attempts they make to warn the people. "They're lying!--No,YOU'RE LYING." (How many of us have run into this phenomenon when trying to talk sense to friends and family who listen to Fox?)

These violent tea-party militia-type folks leading the charge are the modern SA or Brown shirts and are being duped into bringing on their own destruction and the authoritarian government they claim they fear. They will be discarded when no longer useful or radicalized into "death squads" gleefully rooting out and murdering anyone suspected of being too "liberal."

Sound fantastic? Yesterday was the anniversary of the RW death squads' murder of bishop Oscar Romero in El Salvador.

Read this about those days and how it worked: http://www.niemanwatchdog.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=showcase.view&showcaseid=00126

THEY ARE GOING ALL IN NOW! Leveraging the fact of a black president, the current depression they brought on to make people scared and desperate and angry, and a mildly center-left bill they can call "socialism" to ramp up the unrest. The dog whistles are blowing non-stop.

Watch for the next major step: the "Reichstag fire." In the meantime there will be more street fights, beatings, gun violence, vandalism...

It will be a long hot summer. Remember the 60s? But in reverse and much more violent.

Wishing I'm wrong,

srfRantz
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 02:17 PM
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1. Do you want to pay for the level of care lavished on the pres?
That would be the stupidest thing I can imagine. The canard about making them live under it too, is just that, a canard. We need adequate health coverage.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 02:20 PM
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2. I want the level of care lavished on the President to be lavished on everyone
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 02:23 PM
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5. That is untenable. And not GOOD for our country.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 02:20 PM
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3. With mass e-mail shit, I always check Snopes.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 02:21 PM
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4. The answer is yes. The law requires people to either obtain coverage from employment...
... or on the regulated exchange.

Obama uses the former.
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