Are conservatives trying to start a second civil war?

[Cyrano]

As much as I don't want to believe it, I can only watch what they are doing.

The hopelessly ignorant are in the streets protesting health care, liberals, "faggots," "niggers," immigrants, Muslims, "baby killers," taxation, Obama's existence, and every other decent thing imaginable.

For the most part, those buying it are tremendously gullible know-nothings who are being whipped up by the likes of Glen Beck, Sarah Palin, Limbuagh, Hannity, Bachmann and so many others who are making millions by undermining American democracy.

But at some point, the Republican Party has to take responsibility too. "I was only following the wishes of the people of my state" becomes stale and unbelievable very quickly. Sorry, but we're just not buying it.

We've seen the results in the past week. Death threats, rocks through windows, spitting on and disparaging congressmen, Republicans cheering disrupters in the balcony of the United States congress, and so much more that hasn't made Page One yet.

And here we sit, waiting for history to play itself out. We want peace. They want blood. It's getting very ugly, very quickly. So what can we do to stop it? I really don't know if we can. But it's frightening to anyone who still possesses an ounce of sanity.

[brooklynite]

1. Not sure I'd describe them as "civil"...

[LakeSamish706]

2. They certainly seem to be heading in that direction! I hope it doesn't go that route though. n/t

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[Warpy]

4. They are, based on the dreadful Turner Diaries

and resulting in what they consider Utopia, a fascist dictatorship with themselves as the dictator.

They're fools, you know.

[leftygolfer]

5. I'm not all the opposed to a split

I'm sick of seeing and dealing with these lunatics

[Subdivisions]

12. +1000. Whatever happens, I'm ready ;} n/t

[Ozymanithrax]

6. What conservatives are trying to do is get back in power by appealing to a fringe base...

They know this fringe is an important part of their coalition. It has enormous energy and will get out and vote unless these crazy folk are insulted, in which case they will take their cookies and militias and go home.

But, by trying to appeal to these wackjobs, they have legitimized them. It is called Reaping the whirlwind.

[Gman2]

8. This is textbook dissilusioning the gentile left, and we stay home, no vote.

[Ozymanithrax]

34. You got me, what the hell is the "gentile left"

Being Jewish, am I excluded?

[Matariki]

7. Let's hope not. I've always feared they've been setting Blackwater up as their private army.

We've been funding Blackwater for long enough that they must have a pretty scary arsenal. I've always been paranoid of their involvement in a right wing coup.

Okay, that's paranoid.

[galileoreloaded]

35. BW works for MONEY not ideology. They would help put down an insurrection

not fight in it. They would be the ones in power, the Democrats, best friends. These guys would have you wearing Blackwater t-shirts in a week.
Cash trumps ideology, 99% of the time. Didn't you just watch a rigged healthcare debate?

[Matariki]

41. Erik Prince is a right wing religious zealot. He thinks he's fighting The Crusades 2.0

[galileoreloaded]

42. Agree. But again, if anything BW is motivated by CASH, not principles.

I know a few ex dudes. Same for Triple Canopy, ITT, and the rest.

[quinnox]

9. Throw their asses into jail

damn traitors.

[WeDidIt]

10. I think the radical militias want it.

The Republicans are just going along for the ride.

[SolidGold]

11. Who's ready to die for a corporation?

That should be the question all of these smug assholes need to ask themselves before they pick up a gun.

[pitohui]

13. they are cowards and therefore believe others are cowards as well

they are not looking for a full bore war, they are BLUFFING, they believe that a few well-timed murders here and there will get them their way

in effect it's true, an example would be the "war" on women's freedom-- a few murders of a few doctors over the years have caused young docs to abandon the field, and legal abortion for many women is a thing of the past because you can't find an ob/gyn if need be

women today for the most part (unless they're of the right class) have v. little freedom and have almost nothing to show for our dream of freedom but one-parent families and endless struggle

if you hate women, well, you're won, and you really didn't have to kill all that many people to kill our hopes and our dreams and our chance of happiness

you see -- a person can threaten violence w.out hoping for or believing their violence will cause a war

if we'd shown more spine in the past -- given them more reason to think they'd face pushback -- they wouldn't be so bold in their threats now

they don't think they'll get war, they think they'll get their way

[arbusto_baboso]

25. PRECISELY! Those who use fear to manipulate others...

are themselves extremely susceptible to fear. Just like schoolyard bullies, all you have to do is stand up to them (and perhaps pop them one in the nose) and you'll never have trouble from them again.

The worst thing to do is let them manipulate you with fear. Now is the time to be courageous.

[Birthmark]

14. They don't want a civil war.

What they want is to get their own way. They can't. So they use frightening rhetoric, in the hopes that they'll scare someone. A few of them have enough backbone to throw bricks through windows...but that's about the limit of it for the vast majority of them. They don't have the backbone for a civil war --which they would most assuredly lose, btw.

Some secretly (and not so secretly) hope that their is a military coup --on their behalf, of course. That is extremely telling, imo. It tells me that they want to watch a civil war on TV, with someone other than themselves doing the fighting.

No civil war. Not theirs!

[RagAss]

36. I agree. Anything they can do while eating Cheetos.

[MineralMan]

15. Well, they talk a good war, but it's all "let's you and him fight"

with these folks. The moron is strong in that group.

If it comes, I'll be playing Atticus Finch on the courthouse steps.

[Kablooie]

16. They fight for a great cause! To allow insurance companies freedom to destroy lives for profits.

[deaniac21]

17. Yes, there are armed camps setting up outside every city in

the US. By the weekend we will all be swarmed under by crazed right wing militia.

[MineralMan]

27. Yup. They're training just down the street from me, in a local park.

I'm afeared. I truly am. Yessir.

[barbiegeek]

29. WTF are you being Ironic?

[C_U_L8R]

18. that's their only hope

cause they sure aren't gonna be winning any elections

[Nimrod1]

19. Yes.

Yes they are.

[librechik]

20. they'd like to provoke us into taking up arms, so they could cry and pretend to be victims

Let's just watch them fall on their own faces in the attempt. Too bad it's a little dangerous to us--they will escalate if they don't get what they want.

[tranche]

21. Yes, but their army consists of 50+ fat old white men.

Not much to worry about. They will NEVER gain traction. This is a blip in history. The last gasps of an aging white population having problems coming to grips with the changes this country is undergoing and the end of white privilege.

[butterfly77]

22. YES...

[MyNameGoesHere]

23. What you mean start?

They never admitted to getting their asses kicked the first time.

[MissMarple]

28. You've got that right. They are still trying to secede.

[Spike89]

24. In a sense, it is the ultimate goal of the cable news media

Not that the cable "news" guys actually want civil war. What they really want is all the drama and televised excitement they can get, if it is in the streets of the cities where they already have cameras, well, all the better. For the more deluded (Beck, Rush, Palin) they may see this as the only way they can become the venerated leaders of a new (or in their view, reborn) country.

It probably hasn't even crossed their minds that they'd certainly hate living in a post civil war US, even if they won.

[Enrique]

26. that's what the 'red state vs. blue state' nonsense is all about

and all the "unamerican" slurs, and the "real American" stuff. Trying to divide us into tribes.

[tom_paine]

30. I doubt it, because incremental Bushification/Nazification has been so successful

Don't get me wrong. The RW Authoritarian Followers have no idea what they are following and some of them may believe they are desirous of a 2nd Civil War.

But the RW Authoritarian Loyal Bushie leaders are just using the Teabaggers both as Brownshirts to provide intimidation and as a sort of flanking PsyOp to drive the Corporate M$M dialog further to the right.

THEY are trying to set us up for a revolution, but a "State Revolution" of the kind the Nazis had in 1933 Germany.

At least I think so, it's all speculation based on trends and observation, but we can't really know until we get there.

[Pab Sungenis]

31. Trying?

They already have started one. It's been brewing for 17 years.

[Odin2005]

32. Yes. Or perhaps a coup.

[branders seine]

33. more of a coup than a civil war

and they're too butt-stupid to realize they already WON the coup.

[BlooInBloo]

37. They have been trying for over 100 years.

[stevietheman]

38. The solution: Be strong. Stay strong. Don't back down. n/t

n/t

[kestrel91316]

39. Who, the Hatriots?? As a matter of fact, yes, they are. They want to start a

race war just like Charlie Manson did, so they can just open up and mow down en masse everybody they don't like. Because slavery can't be brought back easily enough to suit them.

[laughingliberal]

40. A second civil war? I think they're still fighting the first one. nt