Richmond Police Report: Cantor Lies Deliberately, Claim His Campaign Office Was Shot At Is A Lie

[The Magistrate]

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/richmond-police-statement-on-cantor-office-vandalism.php

"A preliminary investigation shows that a bullet was fired into the air and struck the window in a downward direction, landing on the floor about a foot from the window. The round struck with enough force to break the windowpane but did not penetrate the window blinds."

It is absolutely certain from this report the round was a stray, striking at random after being fired at the sky from some distance away.

Cantor knows this is the case, and is deliberatey and knowingly lying.

[Cha]

1. Thanks..it was highly suspicious

since we first heard of it.

[MidwestTransplant]

2. No, somebody shot into the air about a mile or more from his office and aimed just right

causing the bullet to hit his office on its way down.

[PSzymeczek]

86. It hit a window in the same building,

but not necessarily Cantor's office.

[RaleighNCDUer]

171. What a TERRIBLE shot - didn't even hit the right window.

What kind of terrorist is that?

[liam_laddie]

139. Sarcasm smilie missing?

[NJmaverick]

3. How can you tell when a republican is lying?

their lips are moving

[JackintheGreen]

12. Not true!

They could be sexually harassing an intern or sharing "special time" with a rent-boy/girl. :hide:

[grantcart]

4. He's not lying he doesn't understand "downward trajectory"

The police should have explained to him in single syllable words and a crayon drawing.

[on point]

51. That explains why he doesn't get that they are a MINORITY party

Yep, downward trajectory. That about explains both the GOP prospects and their relevance to any kind of sensible discussion. Hopefully soon they will simply crash and burn, perhaps then they will understand both downward trajectory as well as crash and burn

[valerief]

148. Downward trajectory is so…so…limp! nt

[chelsea0011]

5. It's repugnant that with actual attacks and threats being made on Dems

that he would use this instance to try to equal out the hate. But they have no shame, so why ask why?

[louis-t]

136. Claims he has threatening emails, too.

But "won't release them to avoid encouraging anyone." Repug damage control. They laid down with the dogs and now they're stuck with teabagger fleas.

[The Wielding Truth]

147. If he won't release them. it's not "to avoid encouraging anyone".

They have thrived on encouraging dissent and even violence. That excuse has little to non credibility.

[samplegirl]

6. Media spinning it today

trying to claim it's from both sides.

[MadMaddie]

63. I am so sick of this tired argument! Our side has guns too

but we don't feel like we have to brandish them in public gathering places to prove that we have guts.

[lib_wit_it]

128. Well, perhaps we should give them a big taste of their own medicine. I mean,

what's a little broken glass among friends?

I guess that's why I don't have a gun. These days, I'm not sure I could trust myself with one.

[Jackpine Radical]

132. I really, really hate hearing that kind of talk coming from our side.

Let random, pointless and ineffectual violence be their hallmark, not ours. To sink to their level is to give up the things that we're struggling for.

[patrice]

154. Thank You!!! Someone doesn't know who we are. Hhmmmm . . .

:eyes:

[lib_wit_it]

183. Well, you can calm down. If I really believed "we" ought to respond in kind, I would have a freakin'

gun. However, I really would like to see something done, at least a loud and-clear, unmistakable denunciation of the calls to violence that seem to have begun a steep and speedy rise with the arrival of Scary Palin on the speechifying scene. the MSM, Democrats, Independents, and Republicans in Congress, the President, the Justice Department, the Homeland Security Agency, Dear Abbey, and Miss Manners all need to speak the hell up.

And, much as I tend to like and respect Lawrence O'Donnell, his saying that Palin surely didn't mean the cross-hairs on her political target map to be taken literally, is inexcusable. Let her make her own damn excuses trying to deny that she knows damn well that many of her worshipers will see nothing metaphorical in her choice of graphics.

And, it's not just the RWers who are getting riled up by this unsettling atmosphere. I am acutely outraged, but I have no violent intent. I've never owned a weapon in my life, nor had an immediate family member or friend who has. But, as we both know, this isn't the case with everyone "on our side."

The issue needs to be addressed specifically and emphatically ad infinitum until it is understood.

[Jackpine Radical]

185. As a matter of fact, I've owned guns all my life, but (other than when in the Army)

never contemplated using them against other people. That said, I much appreciate what you're saying here. Yes, the wingnuts are dangerous, and far out of line. I too advocate denouncing them and holding them responsible for their hateful speech and actions, prosecuting them legally where appropriate, and always exposing their lies and meanness. But to join them in their methods is essentially to become them. I refuse to do that. I want the hypothetical disinterested observer to always be able to tell the difference between us and them.

[patrice]

153. Bingo! That's because we are brave, unlike some who attack others for

what they could, but will not necessarily, do, that is unless someone attacks them, a.k.a. the misnomer "Preventative War", which should be more correctly named: Un-Ending War Slavery.

[The Wielding Truth]

64. Gees. Why don't I believe Cantor? Because I have a memory.

Of course anything is possible, but this is not probable and that's the crux of it.

[louis-t]

161. Even Mean Jean's recorded message was really non-threatening.

The man called her a racist (which she is) and said he wishes she had broken her back when she got hit ny a car. Never said "I'm gonna kill you if you xxx". Never said "You better look over your shoulder".

[anigbrowl]

7. The police report does not actually say what your headline does

It just describes the facts about the bullet found in his office. I am not arguing with your opinion of what this says about Cantor's honesty, but the police report says nothing about him or the claims he made.

[grantcart]

11. Oh goody maybe we get to be treated to some good ole Magistrate comeback (always a treat)

:popcorn:

[virgogal]

13. It would appear that facts may work against a controversial post.

[The Magistrate]

15. The Police Report, Sir, Etablishes Cantor Is Deliberately Lying, And So, In Effect, Says Just That

Cantor had not yet decided to lie about the incident when the investigator's report was submitted. But that report makes clear Cantor is deliberately and knowingly lying about the incident when he states shots were fired at his campaign office. No such thing occured: the police report establishes that, and Cantor knows he is lying about the matter.

[Rebubula]

23. Just Because you say it so...

...does not mean that he is lying.

A bullet comes through my window and I will think I am being shot at.

He may know now that it was a random shot, but when it first came in I doubt he knew.

That said...he is a douche.

[Contrary1]

24. If a bullet came into your office at 1am...

when you were not present, would you also think you were being shot at?

[The Magistrate]

33. Not, Sir, When It Was Established As A Stray Round By Police Investigation

Stray rounds can get a bit weird, taken as a class. Many, many years ago, a friend of mine, walking down the street one afternoon, felt a blow to her thigh. There was a bruise, and after a while she noticed a small lump. Going to a doctor, she learned she had been struck by a pistol bullet, which had barely energy left to penetrate the skin, actually 'bouncing' off working muscle and sliding for about an inch between skin and muscle. She did not imagine anyone had shot at her, being either an idiot nor a lying Republican turd.

[mwb970]

123. You are indeed contrary.

Your question makes no sense. If a bullet hits a window in a building where you have an office (though not your office window) when you were not present, why would you think you were being shot at?

:shrug:

If a chunk of ice off an airplane falls on a house two doors down from yours when you're not home, would you assume that you were the "target" of the ice?

:shrug:

It's a very far-fetched point you make, Mr/Ms Quite Contrary.

[Contrary1]

150. I was responding (with a bit of sarcasm) to this statement in post #23

"A bullet comes through my window and I will think I am being shot at."

And I said, " If a bullet came into your office at 1am... when you were not present, would you also think you were being shot at?"

I think you got the point...it makes no sense that Cantor is claiming he was a victim here.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

45. If you have evidence that Cantor's office was deliberately targeted...

you should inform the police.

Absent that, Cantor's lying.

[rufus dog]

74. I can't find any report

stating that the bullet came through HIS window, rather a window in HIS building.

[veganlush]

90. I heard a report that said it was a window in a room he sometimes uses for meetings.

[hfojvt]

25. the incident was not that long ago

Cantor hasn't necessarily seen that police report or been told about it. I never saw the police reports for either of the crimes I reported. Anyway this incident happened early Wednesday morning and Cantor was talking about it on Thursday. I don't see any proof that he read that police report, or was told something by the police, either yesterday or today.

[sabra]

30. it was @ Tuesday 1:00 am

[The Magistrate]

34. He Knows The Results Of The Investigation, Sir, And Is Knowingly And Deliberately Lying

[DevonRex]

27. That is exactly right. And that is also why Cantor didn't include the

police report in his announcement of the incident. He is just hoping that nobody will care about this tomorrow. He gave the media the story they needed so they could pretend Democrats have been doing bad things, too.

[anigbrowl]

32. implication =/= quotation

as you very well know.

What the report says, and the conclusion which you draw from that, are two separate things.

[The Magistrate]

35. Again, Sir, The Police Report Establishes Cantor Knowingly Lies, And So, In Effect, Says Just That

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[Warren Stupidity]

85. Yes but the nitpicking here is that the police report doesn't call him a liar.

I have about had it with the defenders of the indefensible on this board, so I admire your fortitude in attempting to engage them in rational discourse. As always I am humbled in your presence, which presence is always welcome.

Meanwhile, one after another, the usual come out to offer up the deflections, justifications, and fallacies in defense of the deliberate campaign of political violence, now well into its second year, directed and coordinated by one of the two major political parties.

It has been an interesting couple of days.

[tridim]

169. He also stated that the shot was a "direct threat" to him.

Also a big lie, Sir. ;)

[Marr]

164. Perhaps that's why there are no quotation marks on it. n/t

[Scurrilous]

8. Thanks for the update.

K & R :thumbsup:

[Hubert Flottz]

9. "A Republican that don't lie ain't got nothin' to say," My Dad

Dad knew what he was talking about!

[Dappleganger]

10. He's right! nt

[The Magistrate]

37. Your Dad, Sir, Sounds Like A Wise Man....

[KittyWampus]

46. can I quote your Dad on that? please?

[Hubert Flottz]

180. Yes you can...

:thumbsup:

[tishaLA]

14. I'm shocked Cantor would lie. He's generally so truthful

:sarcasm:

[annabanana]

16. YOu gotta wonder if the TRUTH about this incident will ever reach

the big screens...

[global1]

17. "Landing On The Floor About A Foot From The Window" - The Floor Inside Or Outside?.....nt

[PSzymeczek]

87. Inside.

The bullet penetrated the window, but did not have enough force to damage the miniblinds.

[Whisp]

18. Sanchez and Blitzer on CNN should also know this...

but what are they doing?
They are equating this 'fallen bullet from the sky' with the threats that have been made against the Democrats.

Please, write to Sanchez on his Twit or whatever he uses and call out the lazy slackard bastard liar.

[Claire Beth]

19. Cantor said it happened earlier in the week but...

today is the first he's been out speaking about it.

[icymist]

20. I imagine that's why Cantor didn't report this right away, he knew the bullet wasn't fired at the

window. Mythbusters just did an episode about firing rounds into the air and measuring how far they penetrated the ground. No bullets penetrated more than two inches, and some of those that weren't fired exactly straight up were not found. There's no doubt in my mind that Cantor with-held this 'story' until it was politically convenient for him.

[The Magistrate]

22. Exactly, Ma'am

[Contrary1]

21. I'll have you know, he was "directly threatened"

at approximately 1 a.m. on Tuesday in a building he was not present in, located in a city he wasn't even in.

So there.

[fascisthunter]

26. Glad he's being exposed immediately

[tom_paine]

38. Yeah, but only to us very very VERY few.

To the other 99.9999% of Americans, it's "Democrats and Republicans accuse each other of violence."

[The Magistrate]

40. This Should Get Out, Sir

[tom_paine]

41. I certainly hope you're right, but I seriously doubt it.

Let me know how it turns out.

[The Magistrate]

42. It Is On The A.P. Wire By Now, Sir

[tom_paine]

60. Let me know when you have that link

http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn

Here's the front page of Google News.

Big headline (from Fox):
"Dems, GOP Trade Accusations of Politically Exploiting Threats"

A more detailed search:

http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=Cantor+Richmond+police+report

You are correct, it is on the AP wire, a small blurb with no elaboration, and we'll see how many Cable TV "news" stations pick it up, and what the dominant meme remains, even after Cantor is exposed as a fraud.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hPSXB0pVWgnTggpu-KnVqhophahwD9ELT6600

We'll see if it "comes out" that Cantor abused his power and lied or if (as I suspect), this blurb is all we see and certainly not discussed on Cable TV.

[tom_paine]

80. The PsyOp continues apace, undisturbed by the debunking, as I predicted

This from CNN, of the "liberal" media:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x247787

Unless these people are not telling the truth about what they've seen, the Bushie PsyOp is proceeding apace and again, as usual, the only ones who know the truth are a relative handful of people.

The AP article is a blurb, and unless the people on that thread are outright lying, not a SINGLE mention on CNN of the Cantor Richmond Police Report over the course of hours.

You see how it works? Just as I predicted.

"Can you outshout the White Clown, Montag?"
--Professor Faber, "Fahrenheit 451"

[Nay]

133. I hope it gets out. Cantor has always been a lying little weasel, and

would have no qualms about lying in this instance.

Richmond, sterling burg that it is, is famous for stray bullets as it is full of young men who have nothing better to do than shoot guns off in the middle of the night. Cantor knows that, and is perfectly happy to claim he is being targeted. The fact that he claimed this AFTER he was told that the police report determined it to be a nearly-spent stray round, well, this is par for the course here in the capital of the Confederacy.

Somebody, get me out of here.

[Liberal In Texas]

28. Because somehow the "Other side does it too" meme makes whatever

egregious things their side is doing acceptable.

And if the other side isn't clearly "doing it too" you must either make up something or use some old unrelated incident and pin it on the other side.

[mstinamotorcity]

29. What do you expect from a troll.

All they do is lie.This whole hysteria thing over the Health care reform bill is a lie. Some bullshit started by Mr. Dick Armey and Freedomworks.They know how much they have injected racism into every issue,and now they are reaping what they thought would be the benefit.But those stupid people can do something crazy if they want to but it won't be the way think.

[blm]

31. This is a big fucking deal and needs to be sent to MSNBC and Tweety's show- he JUST said Cantor's

window was shot at....going for the fucking equivalency argument.

[tom_paine]

36. You know the truth has nothing to do with successful Bushiganda Ops using Corporate M$M as vehicle

Before you can blink your eye, it will be "Democrats and Republicans accuse each other of violence."

Oh, sorry, I guess I already blinked because Leslie Blitzer just led off with that RNC Talking Point.

Which incidentally has no connection to reality, but that doesn't matter.

All that matters is how many people will believe the Big Bushie Lie/False equivalency.

And you know the answer to THAT, sir. Most people, sir...most people.

Once again in the Inverted Totalitarianism that was once our beautiful nation, the truth gets it's ass kicked by Bushiganda.

If you're interested in learning more about what form of government we truly live under, behind the window dressing, Magistrate, my friend, read this:

http://www.truthdig.com/arts_culture/item/20080515_chalmers_johnson_on_our_managed_democracy/

[lonestarnot]

39. Of course he was deliberately, willingly, knowingly lying.

[JBoy]

43. K&R. Cantor is a weasel.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

44. Cantor is Backwards B Girl's uglier version. -nt

[cascadiance]

62. Maybe we should call Cantor "Lehntor" instead, which backwards is "rot n hel!"

[mwb970]

124. Cantor is one of my least favorite right-wing shills.

His looks just set my teeth on edge! He looks like a weasely, slimy con man that would cheat his own grandmother if it brought a momentary advantage to him. I would never believe a single word this slimebag says.

Cantor is the new Santorum.

[SpiralHawk]

47. typical republicon - a liar

no honor

[JBoy]

48. The Freeper thread on this is hilarious.

Someone posted the story about the bullet being random, coming down at a sharp angle, etc.

Replies are about evenly split between:

a. Riiiigghhhttt...;
b. Assorted conspiracies about police unions, local democratic politicians, etc. covering it up;
c. If this had happened to a dem, we'd be hearing about it non-stop; and
d. Arguments that display precisely zero understanding of basic physics.

[OilemFirchen]

49. Why does this seem so eerily familiar?

Oh yeah...

Several media sources have reported that shots were fired at the residence of CNN’s Lou Dobbs. While Dobbs and his anti-immigrant supporters were quick to jump to conclusions about the motive of the shooting, Sgt. Stephen Jones confirmed to ThinkProgress this morning that the New Jersey State Police are stilling “looking at all the possibilities” and that a hunting-related accident has not been ruled out.

[chollybocker]

54. Yes, it was Lou Dobbs!

I couldn't remember who it was. Kept thinking it was Fred Thompson.

Thanks for the memories! :)

[Enthusiast]

50. Another Republican lie!

Imagine that.

[Jefferson23]

53. Cantor: I've been threatened because I'm Jewish

Congressman Eric Cantor said Thursday that he believed many of the threats leveled against him since he assumed office may be in part to the fact that he is Jewish.

"There's been a lot of reports of threats and the potential for violence against members of Congress," said Cantor, who is the only Jewish Republican Congressman and serves as the minority whip in the House.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1159173.html

[kestrel91316]

56. He probably has been (threatened because he's Jewish). But not by Dems.

[Jefferson23]

57. Either way, that would be wrong, but he needs to show evidence of

his claim.

[Mike K]

111. Oh, boy!

This shabby little ploy will appeal to the anti-Semitic tea-baggers and make them feel really warm and fuzzy about Cantor.

[Nay]

135. Because he's Jewish? Then he better start looking among the RW

republicans he loves so much. Dems don't buy into the whole 'Jews are taking over the world' Nazi bullshit.

[Mike K]

146. Apologies for my apparently failed sarcasm:

To clarify.

Presuming that a significant percentage of enraged tea-baggers are racist and anti-Semitic, and that anti-Semites are particularly contemptuous of Jews who invoke the, "Oy! They're picking on me because I'm Jewish!", refrain at every opportunity, it follows that Cantor will have disgusted a major component of his constituency with this phony ploy.

[Nay]

149. Mike, I was replying to the "Cantor:" post, not you. Trust me, we're

on the same page! Cantor is a moron. Every year I vote against that sleazy little prick, but they love him here in VA.

[Mike K]

165. Okay. My error. (I'm still not accustomed to this format.)

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

55. Cantor made his claim after discussing it with Arlen Specter.

[Mike 03]

58. Fantastic post, and I assumed as much. K and R, and Thank You. NT

[Hekate]

59. Thank You, Sir, For Checking the Veracity Of Republican Cantor. ...

Perhaps he will sing a different tune now (or not).

Hekate

[The Magistrate]

61. My Wife Found The Link, Ma'am

It seemed to good not to put up, head-lined in no uncertain terms....

[Shining Jack]

66. K&R

It's the Repukes that are violent and do insane things.Therefore that's why I'm not surprised.

[Bozita]

65. It's NOT Cantor's campaign office. Bldg is occupied by a political consulting LLC, Marcus & Allen

Cantor may utilize their services from time to time, but that doesn't make it his campaign office.

I may shop for my food at Krogers. That doesn't make it my pantry.


http://www.marcusandallen.com /

Marcus & Allen, llc

Marcus & Allen, LLC is a political and public affairs consulting firm servicing candidates, elected officials, corporations, and non-profits. Their proven success has made them a powerhouse in Virginia for the past 10 years.

Our consulting expertise has been beneficial in all levels of politics, including the election and re-election of Congressman Eric Cantor, Former Governor Jim Gilmore, Attorney General Jerry Kilgore, and numerous local candidates across the Commonwealth. Marcus & Allen has also provided consulting services to many non-profits including Americans for Freedom and Opportunity and the New Majority Project as well as major corporations.

Marcus & Allen consulting offers a wide range of services specializing in advertising, fundraising, research, and public relations. They also offer direct mailing services through their sister firm, nationally renowned Creative Direct LLC.

[Lasher]

113. Woah, good find.

So Cantor is also lying about it even being one of his offices.

[marmar]

67. It seems that all Republicans have a strained relationship with the truth.....

nt

[pitohui]

68. if he "knows" this is the case, arrest him for filing a false police report

however, i wouldn't assume that if my house or office was hit in a driveby by a stray "striking at random" that i should just take it all calmly and never say a word about it

look the dude's prob. a shit head, i just don't see how this is the best argument to make of his shit-head-erry

new rule--bullet strikes yr window, you're allowed to panic

[The Magistrate]

71. You May Panic, Sir, But May Not Deliberately Lie Two Days Later

He had nothing to do with contacting the police, as he has no connection either with the premesis or its occupants. A tenant or the building's manager doubtless called the police, and properly, to report the broken window, and possibly the slug on the floor. Cantor, being informed of the matter long afterwards doubtless was informed of the results of the police investigation.

He deliberately and knowingly lied in presenting the incident as a deliberate attack on his 'campaign office'. It was no such thing, and he knew it.

For the future course of his public career, he should always be referred to as a proved and demonstrated liar: that is what he is.

[florida08]

122. absolutely

an opportunist with a podium.

[TankLV]

69. I KNEW IT - I KNEW IT!!!

And the fucking b---h news whore on CNN said she "had no reason to doubt cantor was telling the truth!" and always began with "the left - (and the right - in a softer voice - because she HAD to) has to watch what they say and tone down the rhetoric!"

Well - you fucking b---h - THE LEFT DOESN'T DO THAT!!! THERE IS NO EQUIVALENCY!

[opihimoimoi]

70. There he goes again. blowing things outta proportion

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

72. So you know he had this information when he made his statement?

[The Magistrate]

76. Certainly He Did, Sir

It took my wife twenty minutes to find it. He is a Congressman, with some interest in the matter, who had many hours, and the responsibility of opening his mouth in public as a major spokesman of his party.

Are you seriously, Sir, stepping up to defend this confirmed and demonsrated liar?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

77. So you think he had the information. Thanks.

[The Magistrate]

92. He Knew The Real Score, Sir, And Lied Knowingly And Deliberately. Why Are You Defending The Liar?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

95. I'm glad you aren't really a judge.

[The Magistrate]

97. Which Side Are You On, Sir? Why Do You Defend A Lying Republican Stooge?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

100. You know saying that won't make it true. You are good for a laugh though...

That whole fake judge thing is a gas.

[The Magistrate]

108. Again, Sir: Why Are You Defending A Republican Stooge Who Deliberately Lied On This Matter

The rules of the site require me to accept at face value your statement you have heard nothing of the matter prior to this evening, however dubious it seems to me in actuality.

Nonetheless, your eagerness to leap to the defense of a leading Republican, over the lies he told knowingly told today, and to veer over into personal attack in the course of doing so, is interesting, and evident to all who read this exchange.

"Which side are you on? Which side are you on...."

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

143. I'm on the side of truth and justice.

[The Magistrate]

144. Nonesense, Sir: You Are On The Side Of A Republican Who Knowingly Lied About Being Attacked

The only question is why you do this; what you are doing is obvious to all.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

174. Again, you saying it doesn't make it true.

[The Magistrate]

182. You May Wriggle All You Like, Sir, It Will Not Change The Objective Facts Of Your Behavior

On display here for all to see is your energetic defense of a knowing and deliberate liar, Cantor.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

177. I forgot about you being sick, I hope you got my post wishing you well.

Glad you are doing better.

[closeupready]

191. Thank you!

You are the best. :hi:

[patrice]

152. IF you are defending a liar, You appear to be on the side of anyone with a gun, even someone who

used said gun ir-responsibly.

If I am wrong about this, please correct me, so others can see that you do not defend just anyone simply on the grounds that they own a gun.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

173. I'm not sure who you are referring to in regards to the gun.

Do you have a link?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

175. You, Sir, seem to have come out of your surgery with both guns a-blazing!

The New!Improved!More!Badass!Magistrate! I like it.

Give 'em hell.

[Kingofalldems]

181. Looks like someone has been ejected.

:hi:

[Hassin Bin Sober]

184. Oh happy day! What a D-Bag that one was. And so obvious.

I'm really beginning to believe this new moderating is working. Soon the gungeon will be a ghost town (with apologies to real pro-gun Dems and liberals who post there - all three of them).

[NBachers]

109. Another name on the "Ignore" list

I've been tempted in the past, but I try to accommodate people. My accommodation limit has been reached.

There, that feels better . . .

Not you, Magistrate- you're always welcome, sir.

[Name removed]

141. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

179. No, no, NO!

YOU. CAN'T. ALERT. ON. IGNORED. POSTS!

[arcadian]

98. Dang, a Cantor defender

Seriously? If you can't see that Cantor is a liar using this situation if not completely fabricating the situation, there is really no hope for you, Dave.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

99. I haven't seen any statements by him, that's why I asked about it.

[arcadian]

101. He claims a bullet was shot through his campaign office window.

He has said that. It's a lie. It's not his campaign office. It's the office of his consultant. The office is not even in his district. He is using this story to claim that he is being targeted. Another lie. You wouldn't even know it was a building that had anything to do with Cantor if it weren't for Cantor saying so today.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

102. Thanks for the info. Imagine that, a politician taking advantage of an event for publicity.

I'm shocked that any politician would ever do such a thing.

[arcadian]

104. You care enough to make post after post about it.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

142. I've responded to responses to my posts. No need to be impolite after all.

[Kingofalldems]

162. DU's defender of republicans.

Great job!!

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

176. I would expect no less from you my friend.

[progressoid]

125. This thing called Google is often quite helpful.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20001168-503544.html

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2010/03/cantor-reports-bullet-being-fired-at-campaign-office/1

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

140. Oddly enough they don't address what Cantor had been told by the police.

[patrice]

156. Are you against personal responsibility? Persons in responsible public position, such as Cantor,have

a duty to get it right, i.e. personally take the few extra steps needed to know as much of the truth that is available and then communicate that.

What Cantor did is called "plausible deniability" a HIGHLY marketable, chickenshit, commodity that has been used to ENSLAVE this country in ways too numerous to mention, but a primary example of which comes to mind quite clearly, September 11, 2001.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

172. I think he is a politician taking advantage of an opportunity for publicity.

He made his statement 3 hours before the police released the report. Waiting on the report would have ruined his opportunity. Typical of many politicians.

[spicegal]

117. I'd find it hard to believe he didn't have the information.

And, if he didn't have his facts straight, he shouldn't have said anything about it.

[Texasgal]

73. Call me shocked...

NOT.

I would love the media to prove he is lying, orcourse... :eyes:

[arcadian]

75. Here is my take.

Nobody outside of the people who work for Marcus & Allen or Cantor's own staff would even know Eric Cantor has anything to do with that building. So a random shot just happens to strike a building that has an indirect association with Eric Cantor *SUPPOSEDLY*. I still don't believe anything struck anything. Eric Cantor uses this incident to proclaim that those on the left are targeting republican Congressman. And this just happens, JUST HAPPENS to occur at a time when Democratic congressmen are being targeted by right wing extremists.

Speculation: Marcus & Allen created this situation for Cantor and Cantor has complete deniability of involvement. They didn't do this at his District office because that would have brought in the Feds.

[Strelnikov_]

78. "The round struck with enough force to break the windowpane but did not penetrate the window blinds"

Yep.

[Bozita]

79. Gotta wonder if there's any broken glass in the bldg's dumpster. I too smell a Rovian tactic.

I'll bet those damned liberals are installing listening devices in GOPer offices at this very moment.

[madrchsod]

81. he would have reported it to the local police and the fbi...

when i heard it this morning i found it odd that he did`t mention the fbi was investigating.

[Bozita]

93. Yup, NO FBI and the guy's a major player on the Hill? ... How likely is that?

He's obviously real big on the locals.

Or maybe, it's because the locals will do what Eric tells them.

[AlbertCat]

82. the round was a stray, striking at random after being fired at the sky from some distance away.

More handguns in parks!!!!! NOW!

[The Wizard]

83. It was someone celebrating

the passage of health care reform. Moonshine and guns: Perfect together.

[peacetalksforall]

84. Cantor-Rove. A trick? Is that a possibility here?. Rove is good at tricks, Maybe he

didn't actually shoot the gun - just invented the plot - and maybe he wrote Cantor's speech. Is it true that experts can trace a bullet? On second thought, maybe it was Cheney. He's a trickster at plots, though not very good at executing the plot.

[TexasObserver]

88. It's the GOP playbook. When they're caught, fall down and claim they're the victim.

[elias49]

89. Unless I'm mistaken, he also claimed a security alarm went off n/t

[caseymoz]

91. Yes, Cantor could tell that by looking at a bullet.

It was a "preliminary" report, which means pretty much: it looks like.

What might have also happened was: old ammunition.

[patrice]

94. P- fucking -thetic!!!

[Webster Green]

96. It probably happened on New Years Eve.

Lots of dumb-asses celebrate in that fashion, having never heard of Isaac Newton. :shrug:

[Mira]

103. I absolutely love that. It should do him in for good once Rachel et al

get going on it.
I called him an inglorious bastard before I had this confirmation of what I instinctively knew to be true.
Few of them I loathe as I do that so visibly dishonest and stupid prick, that's for sure.

[bridgit]

105. Poor guy, though it did seem Cantor would be the first to shed crocodile tears...

When he found he painted himself into his own corner :cry:

[havocmom]

106. Gravity is out to intimidate Cantor!

The attack of the domestic gravities! Why does gravity hate Republicans?

Or: See, it's not US causing problems; I got shot at too.

Cantor thinks hair will take him to higher office. He's #12 with a bullet (on a downward trajectory)

[GreenTea]

107. Who would of thought - uh, who didn't know? "Well, both parties do it"

The usual Republican pointing finger Bullshit!

That damn "magic bullet" came all the way from Northern California.

[VPStoltz]

110. My Gad, I'm clairvoyant!

I saw this during my lunch break on MSNBC and I knew he was lying.

[saltpoint]

112. Happy to rec this post, Magistrate.

Cantor fibbed, and you properly call him on it.

[HooptieWagon]

114. Screenshot of Cantor presser

[tomm2thumbs]

120. bwahahahaha! +1

[Raster]

121. +2!

:kick:

[Ichingcarpenter]

134. LOL! n/t

[patrice]

157. +~ for Chickenshitting Plausible Deniability, a la "and what was the title of that memo Sec.Rice?"

Does anyone see a pattern here?

[PinkFloyd]

115. I thought I'd heard it all...but I was wrong.

I literally fell out of my chair when I heard him blame the Dems for THEIR MOBS insanity on tv last night. It was like suing a guy you just hit because hitting him hurt your hand. He said it with such a straight face too. I swear, this one went to 11.

[patrice]

158. Trust me, the guy is D - I - M, another one of their beauty-queens brought along by $$$$ who

has no idea of how stupid he is, because he's never had to compete in the real world, a male version of SP, but perhaps more stupid.

[spicegal]

116. I thought that was very highly suspicious. It sounded pretty random.

You'd better believe that if that was a situation where someone was targeting either him or his office, it would have been in the news. Interesting thing is, not too far from his neighborhood, a man actually did get shot through his window. The man was shot through the jaw, and was injured quite badly. They still haven't caught a suspect. Anyway, Cantor doesn't live too far from me, and when I first heard this story, I thought perhaps he was perhaps working that little story into his delusion. Cantor needs to be exposed on this. He's clearly lying. This guy thinks he has our district sewn up for eternity. He's an opportunistic wimp, and certainly no leader.

[NecklyTyler]

118. Republicans = Liars

Cantor is a Republican therefore he is a liar. What's so hard about that?

[tomm2thumbs]

119. Truth-o-meter registered a big ZERO on his press conference talking points

is that a Pants on Fire or what?

[disillusioned73]

126. Why doesn't a Dem say...

"YOU LIE!!" to Eric Cantor??

It's time to stiffen that backbone Dems, they are trying to "break" our President... or didn't you get the memo??

[Kolesar]

127. There are way too many stupid gun owners

Stupid is the only word for someone who fires a gun into the air. Even if it was a "mistake".

[Kingofalldems]

129. Kick this for the sneaky freepers

[66 dmhlt]

130. Where's Joe Wilson when he's REALLY needed?

!אתה משקר

[redqueen]

131. "did not penetrate the window blinds"

Hard to believe that some people here are still trying to defend Cantor.

Wait... no, actually... it isn't.

[maddezmom]

137. CNN headline: Lawmaker's office struck by 'random gunfire'

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/26/lawmakers-office-struck-by-random-gunfire/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+rss/cnn_politicalticker+(Blog:+Political+Ticker)&fbid=okUSuYS2HH4

But the best one:

Eric Cantor’s Office Vandalized By Stray Bullet Fired Into The Air Randomly
http://lezgetreal.com/?p=29515

[Gwoppi]

138. Doesn't this qualify as...

filing a false report?

Misdemeanor most jurisdictions?

[The Magistrate]

145. No, Ma'am: No One Filed A False Report To The Police: Cantor Lied To The Press And Public

When the bullet broke a window with its last bit of energy, it triggered a burglar alarm, which summoned police. They a found a holed window, but an intact window shade, and a bullet on the floor.

The lies in this matter were all told by Cantor.

[Pryderi]

151. Karl Rove threw it from the building next door.

[arcadian]

155. Any reports on what type of gun fired the bullet?

Surely the Richmond PD followed up with a ballistics report. I gotta say, I'm just not buying it. there is a tree in front of that window. You would literally have to be standing out in front of that building and fired that weapon straight up for it to hit that window the way they say it did. There are two story buildings all around that location.

[patrice]

159. More "Plausibly Deniable" BULLSHIT. Strategic & Deliberately Dishonest "Ignorance".

:puke: :puke: :puke:

~

[Nikki Stone1]

160. It broke a window and he got scared; then he ratcheted it up to panic level

I don't know that Cantor deserves to be called a liar here. A lily-livered chicken maybe. He didn't create the thing out of whole cloth like Scott Brown did about Rachel running against him. Now, if he continues to lie after knowing all the facts, then he can be called a liar.

[DefenseLawyer]

163. He said he was the target of a threat

Someone shooting a bullet up in the air which happens to come down randomly and break a first floor window in a building where one of your consultants has an unmarked office on the 3rd floor doesn't make you the target of anything. Nice try.

[Nikki Stone1]

166. He may have honestly thought he was a target. He is a member of a group that often is.

When your ancestral history is of pogroms, you can be forgiven for seeing a bullet come to close to home and think you're seeing an attack on you. Not all shooters have great aim. And if a white supremacist is stupid enough to draw a swastika backwards, it's still a threat.

Now, if Cantor is currently informed that it was indeed a stray bullet, and that some shooter with horrible aim was trying to hit a tree (or if some yahoo was trying to see the pretty bullet in the air), then Cantor needs to issue a statement saying that he now knows that the shot was not meant for him and was not a direct threat.

[DefenseLawyer]

167. Ahhh I see your angle now.

Still wrong.

[Nikki Stone1]

168. Angle? Good heavens.

I'm assuming that you've never been a member of a group that feels targeted. I don't blame Cantor for his initial reaction. I can understand easily how that can happen. Now, if he refuses to correct the record, then I have a problem with him. Let's see what he does.

[Plucketeer]

170. Ah Cantor

A prime specimen of ignoramus magnificus! :dunce:

[upi402]

178. Alert Hannity!

Fox and CNN news just needed something to put on the tapeloop to cleanse the minds of their sheeple.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

186. Kick for the exceedingly satisfying tombstone this thread wrought!

Thanks Mag!

[The Magistrate]

187. And Thank You, Sir

That one was long over-due....

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

188. I fired like a thousand shots at that beast...

...but it's you who got the kill. Congratulations.

[Kingofalldems]

189. Thanks for drawing out that sneaky (now TSed) freeper

All about guns and republicans lying--too much for one freeper to handle. One of the finest threads ever.

[Bluebear]

190. You said it~

[closeupready]

192. +2

K&R