Grayson just called for Cantor to resign, because of his remarks.

[Webster Green]

Listening to Alan Colmes.

Grayson is slaying the pukes big time. He is great!

[tabatha]

1. Thanks - hope there is a video.

Did he mention the holes in Cantor's bullet (bullshit) story?

[Sebastian Doyle]

2. Considering what Grayson said last night on Mike Malloy's show, he has a right to be pissed.

Right wing pukes called Grayson's home and threatened his 5 year old child. He's got every right to be pissed at Cantor for making shit up.

[Webster Green]

5. He just went over that.

He also just said: "The republicans are trying to induce a national nervous breakdown with their fear and hysteria."

Grayson really has a way with words, and he is fucking fearless. I love this guy!

I enjoy Colmes too, which is surprising to me.

[wryter2000]

100. It surprised me, too

But, I love Colmes! I wish I could stay up longer to listen more. He has the deftest touch at making his wingnut callers sound like idiots. Half the time, they have no idea how to respond to him.

That Vanderboegh or whatever was on the other night. When the guy complained that it was hard to live on the paltry sum he gets from SSI, Colmes quipped, "Oh, you're mad because the government doesn't send you enough money."

[wordpix]

118. really funny part here from Grayson

COLMES: Resign his leadership post, or resign from the Congress entirely?

GRAYSON (sighing): My goodness. I’m not even sure where he should stop. snip

and not so funny

snip: Grayson also relayed how he received a call at home last week and when his five-year-old answered the phone a woman said she was gong to kill Grayson.

GRAYSON: We had a woman call the house when I was in Washington DC. She called my house in Orlando last week. And my five year old – I have twins actually – one of the five-year-olds hit the speaker button when the phone was ringing. And she said if you vote for this bill, I’m gonna kill you.

[wordpix]

114. they have a lot of nerve---I would be calling FBI on whoever did that!

not to be taken lightly in this climate of intimidation Kristallnacht RW gun nuts

[rockymountaindem]

3. What remarks? That his office was attacked or that he is the victim of anti-Semitism?

The first one was torpedoed by the police, and the second one is kind of an insult to people who really are victims of anti-Semitism.

[Behind the Aegis]

4. And if he has been a victim of anti-Semitism?

[rockymountaindem]

7. In this case? The police ruled it an accident

If he has been a victim of anti-Semitism in the past, the time to bring that up was when it happened. To suddenly start talking about it when he's trying to ham up this supposed (and disproved) attack on his office strikes me as disingenuous.

[MUAD_DIB]

11. He's a republican. If he was threatened he would have cried about it when

it happened for political gain and not try and use it to deflect from the crazies of his own party doing horrendous things.

[Behind the Aegis]

12. I know it was not an issue in the window breakage.

He may be acting in a disingenuous manner, but without proof one way or another, neither of us can tell. Being Jewish as well, you should know it is part and parcel for us. Others are experiencing backlash and anti-Semitism is rearing its ugly head. If he is a liar, then I too would be pissed and denounce it, but I won't dismiss it just because he is Republican or because of recent "hammed up" event.

[MUAD_DIB]

18. What facts do you bring to the table that this was an anti Semitic incident?

Just on his say-so? :shrug:

Do you believe that Obama is a Muslim on the say-so of others?


I usually look for something called the truth. When a synagogue or churched is attacked/defaced then that is a hate crime.

When somebody draws a conclusion without a clear reason or substance (i.e. an anti-Semitic death threat) then I called that an assumption or attention grabbing.

If some yahoo had called Cantor a racial/religious epithet on his way to work then I'd be right there with you in agreement and condemnation, but considering the source and the moment, I have to take his revelation with a grain of salt.

[Behind the Aegis]

19. I wasn't talking about the window incident.

Do you believe Republicans can't be victims of anti-Semitism, even the Jewish ones?

[MUAD_DIB]

32. Show me the proof, please, and leave the emotion at the door.

I'm not interested in the hypothetical of IF he could have bee the victim of anti-Semitism.

I ask for proof and not GOP side-show hysterics to smokescreen the mess that they have made.


Come on. Can you at least see this for the lame attempt for the GOP to do damage control now that they've let the monster out of its cave?

[Behind the Aegis]

33. I can't provide proof nor did I claim I could, you however, implied you could.

[MUAD_DIB]

36. Show me those words exactly and I mean exactly, sweetheart. I never wrote that, you did.

I claimed that he was a republican using anti-Semitism as a smokescreen for the political climate of threats and harassment that the Democrats are experiencing right now.

Every one of those worms is doing a tap dance to get as far from the damage that they have created; all the while telling the Dems to stop talking about it.

He's a republicans. Republicans lie for political advantage.

[Behind the Aegis]

41. Do you understand the word "implied?"

When you commented about enough of theoretical...in the real world, your implication was what he said wasn't true. Your subsequent posts, including the one to which I am responding, also imply you have proof. Of course, your "proof" is that he is a republican and, as such, lies: again, claiming he wasn't a victim of anti-Semitism. So prove this is so without logical fallacies, dollface.

[MUAD_DIB]

47. I'm still looking for some proof here, cupcake. You've shown none.

He's a republican. Republican's lie for effect, and if you aren't able to see that then I feel somewhat sorry for you.

[Behind the Aegis]

59. You haven't provided any, dumpling. Burden of proof and all/

[EOTE]

79. The burden of proof is on Cantor. He's already proven that he's a lying asshole.

I know you're willing to take him at his word. I, however, will do no such thing. If it's proven you've lied in a courtroom, your whole testimony is suspect. Cantor had his chance to tell the truth. He's proven that he's incapable.

[frylock]

94. saddam needs to prove he doesn't have wmd..

you're asking MUAD_DIB to prove that cantor hasn't been the recipient of anti-semetic slurs?! you REALLY want to go there?!! you demean all REAL instances of anti-semitism when you run that crap out there.

[MUAD_DIB]

110. This is how reality works...

Cantor makes a claim. Cantor then needs to either show proof or correct himself for being in error.

This is also a reality: Republicans lie for effect.

[JDPriestly]

86. Some liberals (not me) are anti-Israel, but, if there are liberals who, based on ethnicity

are anti-semitic enough to be violent, I have not heard about them. I have heard about extreme right-wing groups that advocate anti-semitism and racism in general. So, if Cantor has been the victim of antisemitic attacks, he should denounce the extreme right wing and express sympathy for the Democrats suffering from violent attacks. So, Cantor's stance makes utterly no sense unless it is a strictly knee-jerk, partisan defense.

[Gman2]

76. The rethugs are insisting on that same evid3ence from our side, and

insisting on their being called publically liars. All we need do, is have doubts, expressed, and renounce violence and threats, by anyone, why is this hard?

[kenfrequed]

89. except...

That we tend to have evidence in the form of pamphlets, threatening letters, recorded phone calls, graffiti and all manner of other forms of intimidation. Whereas Cantor seems to have none of these things.

[rhett o rick]

111. republicans are liars. So how would you ever know. They are bastard liars. nm

[wryter2000]

101. No one said the incident was anti-Semitic

Even Cantor didn't say that. He mentioned the window and the hate calls separately. He could be right about that, but the person who did it might right now be throwing a brick through Louise Slaughter's window.

[MUAD_DIB]

119. Cantor is trying to create a smokescreen to deflect from the crap

that his party has unleashed.

"Look at me! I've been attacked too...although it took place some time ago...so the Dems should just shut up!"


Republicans are lying worms.

[kenfrequed]

62. Uhm...

Doesn't screaming 'anti-semitism' when none exists actually do more damage to Jewish people everywhere by creating the public impression that anti-semitism is a trivial thing? I think there was a fable about a boy and a wolf that covered this.

I'm sorry but Cantor is a douchebag and trying to strut up his absurd claims that are rooted in nothing more than selfish partisanship and disgusting attempts to spin do not help anything. Trying to log on as a concerned Jew and defend him does a hell of a lot more harm than good.

[Behind the Aegis]

63. Not dismissing his claim is not the same as defending him.

Fail.

[kenfrequed]

71. This is unworthy.

You are enabling a proven liar him and doing so using poor logic. I am sorry but merely saying the word 'fail' does not touch any of the comments I made. Can I at least beg of you that you remove the Star of David from your posts as they seem to do nothing but make Jews look bad.

[Behind the Aegis]

Another fail.

You need a dictionary stat. You also could use a course in logic, it might help you identify logical responses, lack therof, and help you avoid your own logical fallacies (ad hominems personal attacks).

[kenfrequed]

85. Err..

You are aware that you accused me (falsely) of the ad hominem in the very paragraph that you implied I was stupid.

When I asked you to take down your star it was Because of your illogical and unsound arguments and the fact that you were doing damage by invalidating actual antisemitism by giving absurd levels of weight and gravity to a completely uncorraberated claim. I did not call you a name or demean the argument. You are, by your strange use of the word inventing a new fallacy 'Pre-hoc ergo propter hoc.'

I only plead with you that you cease demeaning Jews in the eyes of the public in this manner. And I will clarify in saying that it is not you that is unworthy but this line of argument that you have assumed.

[Name removed]

87. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

97. ITA

[louis-t]

93. Please, some yahoo shot a bullet in the air

from hundreds of yards away and miraculously, on its way down, hit the building where Cantor has a sometimes office that might be used for meetings but doesn't have a sign on it. Yep, sounds like anti-Semitism to me. Got anything else?

[Lasher]

120. It wasn't even Cantor's office. n/t

[rhett o rick]

113. He is a piece of crap and I resent you defending him in any manner. You dare believe him

he is a liar.

[Caretha]

108. What part of

according to the ballistic report that the bullet was shot straight in the air and hit his window randomly do you not understand?

Why do you always feel so persecuted, and why do you always bring that perspective to every post.

You look and sound like a one-trick-pony and that's to bad, because it takes away from any valid points you might have.

In all sincerity...think about it.

[Suji to Seoul]

112. I've experience Jewish stereotypes here in China from Chinese people too.

According to the Chinese in the nine cities I've been to living here, Jews are smart, clever with great business minds, devoted to family and fantastic scholars. Basically, they are in awe of Jews and wish more would come to China.

Stereotypes like that I can live with!

I can imagine what stereotypes Mr. Grayson has put up with from teabagging dipsticks!

[JDPriestly]

84. Anti-semitic people tend to be on the far right. So, if Cantor was threatened by the far right,.

he was threatened by the same people threatening the Democrats, and he should feel solidarity with the Democrats and denounce the threats to the Democrats.

[louis-t]

92. AND, by claiming he is a victim of anti-Semitism

He "encourages" others to do the same. Most people (including me) didn't know he's Jewish. So, his bullshit stories are beginning to crumble.

[wryter2000]

99. Besides

I have no doubt he may have been on the receiving end of anti-Semitism, but if so, it's coming from the same people who are throwing bricks through Democrats' windows now.

[MUAD_DIB]

10. Thank you for the theoretical stand...

...now back to reality.

[Behind the Aegis]

13. Oh, you have proof it isn't true?

Please share.

[MUAD_DIB]

14. Do you have proof that it is? Don't fall all over yourself defending the

GOP from their smoke and mirrors.

JHJC. :eyes:

[Behind the Aegis]

15. You are the one implying it isn't true, the burden is all yours.

And, so we are clear, I am not talking about the shot to the window incident. I am also well aware of the GOP's methods, but I am also well aware of the prevelant anti-Semitism in this society.

What is JHJC?

[MUAD_DIB]

30. No, the burden of proof is on the one making the accusations.

You're right that any claim of threats needs to be addressed and investigated if there any.


I have also just watched the video where he says that since he has been in office that he has received threats because of his position and because he is Jewish.

He was directly threatened...bullet through the window...received threatening emails but won't release them (but he will pander for the cameras)...Democrats using these incidents for political gain...Democrats are the ones fanning the flames...using these threats as a political weapon...on and on with the usual GOP BULLSHIT.

These guys (GOP) cry, kick and scream at the drop of a hat at the least perceived offense by any Democrat. But when the threats are real and fanned by their party for months and culminate in genuine and tangible threats to Democrats then they claim that the Democrats are the ones that are encouraging it!!! That's like saying a woman who tells the cops that her abusive X wants to kill her is just carrying on too much and should settle down.


So, if Cantor would like to release the anti-Semitic threats against him, or at the very least a police report or conviction of the threaten-er, then I would gladly accept that as proof. So until that time the burden of proof is on the one making the accusations.



JHJC: Jesus H. Jumping Christ.

[Behind the Aegis]

31. It is his burden to prove it happened. However,,,,

...your implication was it wasn't true and this was why I asked "You have proof?"

[MUAD_DIB]

34. Until he can come forward with proof it is a hypotheical produced by a republican

to say "Look at me I am a victim" when it is his party that has started the mess that we're in.

Just because he says it does it mean that it is true? Is he above lying and playing on the emotions of a religion for pure political gain?

So yes he is a republican, and I believe he is indeed lying to deflect attention from the shitstorm his party has created over the last year.

[Behind the Aegis]

35. Just because he says it does it mean that it is false?

[MUAD_DIB]

37. You're insane. Now prove me wrong.

Just because I wrote it doesn't mean that it is false.


Have fun with your denial.

[Behind the Aegis]

42. So, more logical fallacies?

Ad hominems coupled with your "burden of proof" nonsense? You made the implication. You prove it.

[MUAD_DIB]

48. So you haven't proven that you're sane yet...

It's on Cantor to prove it, cupcake.

[Ichingcarpenter]

50. argumentum ad ignorantiam

a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true
only because it has not been proven false
, or is false only because it has not been proven true.


Don't bother with this one.

[MUAD_DIB]

52. Why is that so hard to fathom?

All I ask for is some proof.

[kenfrequed]

69. Uhm...

This is ridiculous. The burden of proof of these allegations and implications does not rest on some random person crawling on the internet it falls upon the person that made these allegations. I believe that if you honestly cared about real anti-semitism you would want Cantor to come forward with specifics about this.

If his allegations are true I certainly know I want details.

[Behind the Aegis]

70. The burden falls upon the person making the claim.

In this case it does rely "on some random person crawling on the internet" as he is the one who implied the allegations were false. However, as another poster pointed out, though he thinks it applies to my statements, MUAD_DIB is using the logical fallacy known as argumentum ad ignorantiam, a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true only because it has not been proven false, or is false only because it has not been proven true (the italics indicate the version MUAD_DIB is using). I made no claims as to his allegations veracity or lack thereof, I simply refused to dismiss it outright because he is a Republican or because he lied about the window incident.

[DireStrike]

91. He is saying it is possibly false because a) it has not been proven true....

...and b) The claim is made by a member of a party of serial liars.

He didn't enunciate this very clearly, but it is obvious that this is what he meant and it is, in my opinion, disingenuous to pretend his argument rests solely on fallacious thought patterns.

[MUAD_DIB]

115. You're right. It falls on Cantor: the one making the claim.

[Suji to Seoul]

116. Don't argue with idiots

Of an political persuasion. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with their experience.

I completely believe Grayson. If black, Democratic Congressmen can be called nasty black insults, I am sure Grayson has received anti-Jewish ones.

I'm glad I'm not there. If I were Grayson, I'd caller ID all of them and then press conference saying this is what Republicans do, giving a list of names of people who have called my office.

Then I would thank the GOP Leadership personally but handing them to Eric Cantor, saying this is REAL bigotry you flamed, a-hole.

[immoderate]

53. Can you cite something Cantor said that was true?

Do you believe what any goniff says?

--imm

[elias49]

20. Oh here we go - proving a negative. n/t

[Behind the Aegis]

21. You should be aware it is possible to "prove a negative."

The whole "can't prove a negative" is bullshit.

[elias49]

22. No. It's an argument from ignorance

[Behind the Aegis]

24. Wrong. But nice attempt at using a logcial fallacy.

[elias49]

26. Nice attempt at proving your point.

But a failure.

[Behind the Aegis]

27. Actually, you failed, but are unable to see it.

[Webster Green]

28. Deleted Sub Thread

Well, not really, but...I can easily settle this: If Cantor says something, it has to be false. He is a rethuglican. They always lie.

Got it? :smoke:

[elias49]

44. Really?

Bad logic again

[Webster Green]

55. Are you friggin' series??!!11

You are here to proclaim that rethugs don't always lie?

That, my friend, is a very strange thing to say. Are you ill?

[lib_wit_it]

73. The; boy who not only called wolf, but also corralled the wolf, starved it, held raw sheep meat in

front of the cage and then released it into the flock.

Fuck him. Anti-semitism is wrong, but obviously he fans the flames of racism then expects a special dispensation? You reap what you sow, Cantor.

[elias49]

102. How about "serious"?

When you learn to spell. Come back

[Webster Green]

103. That's a hugh mistake partner.

Yew don't no who yer messin with hear!

are you a moran or what? }(

[elias49]

104. You're right. I don't have a clue who you are Webster

should I?
And this thread is fucked up.

[Webster Green]

105. Yeah it got hijacked by fanatics..

BTW, I was talking freeper-talk when I wrote series?!!11

Most old-timers on this board know that particular freeperism quite well.

The joke is on you! :rofl:

[Marr]

56. My goodness, you'd better send your findings to the Logic Department.

They'll be very interested to know that you've revolutionized the whole discipline.

[Behind the Aegis]

58. I doubt it, but it seems they would be impressed with your lack of knowledge.

[Marr]

65. Is this all you do?

Just make silly "right back at ya" remarks without ever bothering to look anything up? It's kind of ridiculous.

You can't prove a negative. It's a very simple, universally accepted fact of life. Like 1+1=2.

[Behind the Aegis]

68. How sad for you.

"Five is not greater than four."

1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 4 + 1 = 5

Five is greater than 4. As two statements can't support a positive and a negative assertion, therefore, if something is "true," it can't be false at the same time. If something is false, it can't be true.

Try reading:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/theory.html
http://departments.bloomu.edu/philosophy/pages/content/hales/articlepdf/proveanegative.pdf
http://goosetheantithesis.blogspot.com/2006/01/you-cant-prove-negative.html
http://askville.amazon.com/prove-negative/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=6173899

[Marr]

74. That is actually funny.

So when you prove that an egg will break if you drop it off a building, you're also "proving a negative" because you've disproved the statement that "an egg will not break if you drop it off a building".

You can't counter logic with semantics, I'm sorry.

[Behind the Aegis]

75. Perhaps you are embarrassed b/c you were wrong.

Edit to your edit.

Also, read the links.

[Marr]

78. Oops- I edited my post before I saw your reply.

For the record, no, I'm not embarrassed. I wasn't wrong. I think you know what "prove a negative" means, and it is not simply the converse of a provable point.

[Behind the Aegis]

80. You are wrong, and if you read the links, you will discover why.

Use you example when you read those links.

[CLANG]

83. Thanks for hijacking this thread.

NOT!

[NBachers]

95. Hijack! Hijack! Hijack!

What does any of this nitwit misdirection have to do with Grayson calling out Cantor?

[apocalypsehow]

106. An 'ole fashioned thread hijack is good for the soul every once in a while.

Especially when I'm on the sidelines watching. :thumbsup:

[Gman2]

77. Thats not cool, and us going haywire as well aint good.

[sasquuatch55]

96. That's the old GuitarBUll M.O.

nt

[Caretha]

109. Proof! Proof you say!?!?!?!?

You think the ballistic report that the shot was fired straight in the air and randomly hit his window is not proof? What kind of proof do you require? That the aliens did it? That the anti-sematic elfs, fairies & leprachauns that hate Jews were responsible.

Please! Quit being so hysterical and running around in circles yelling....those dang blasted anti-Jew hating thugs knew where that bullet was going to land.

:wtf:

[Webster Green]

9. That dems are fanning the flames by reporting recent incidents of vandalism

and threats. He's blaming the dems for this shit.

[Warren DeMontague]

25. I'm glad he's concerned about Anti-Semitism. He can start with the Texas Republican Platform

you know, the one which declares the US to be a "Christian Nation".

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/RelChStSep_90/4519_90.htm

Take it from there, buddy.

[SDuderstadt]

6. Go Grayson!

It is so gratifying to watch the GOP/RW on the run.

I don't think the GOP had any inkling how badly this would backfire on them.

[Bluerthanblue]

8. good for him.

I think he's right.

:hi:

[Bryn]

16. Cool!

Wish I was back in Florida, my native state. Grayson :loveya:

I am stuck with stucky Rep. Mike Ross and Senator Blanche Lincoln here in Arkansas who vote like Republicans! DINOs!

[Webster Green]

23. I love Grayson!.

I actually lived in his district for awhile in the mid 90s, long before he became the rep though.

Didn't care much for that area. A bit too commercial and too many rednecks who didn't care for hippies like me. :hi:

[GreenTea]

17. Republicans don't resign, they only push democrats to for much less.

[DesertFlower]

29. grayson is great. nt

[BlooInBloo]

38. The above subthread is one of the most bizarre I've seen for some time.

[Webster Green]

40. Indeed!

:rofl:

[fascisthunter]

51. I Had to Log out to see ignored's comments

I am not surprised to see what was posted.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

61. It's not that surprising if you've noticed his other goofy shit.

Or are aware of the unmentionable-on-DU website he frequents.

[grantcart]

39. About time

It should be pointed out that he has lost control of the caucus with members shouting "You Lie" and "Baby Killer" from the floor of the House.

[saltpoint]

43. ...and what a dynamic contrast between Grayson and Cantor.

Go, Grayson.

[xchrom]

45. Recommend

[Blue Owl]

46. Why every Democrat isn't doing this is a mystery

One could call so much bullshit on the GOP that they could literally be covered in their own excretement ten times over.

[fascisthunter]

49. Good! (nt)

[ProSense]

54. Cantor's "campaign office" isn't in his congressional district

here

[samsingh]

57. cantor should be charged with public mischief

[Rosa Luxemburg]

98. Absolutely!

[librechik]

60. Go, Al! Shake them up!

Do what they do to us!. BTW, why haven't Vitter, Craig and Ensign also resigned?

[Orsino]

64. He hasn't resigned after what I assume to be decades of outright lies and corruption.

Why would he resign over a little disingenuousness? :shrug:

[blm]

66. Great to hear Cantor's being called on his BULLSHIT. The newsmedia is protecting Cantor's lie

and spreading it further.

[myrna minx]

67. K&R. I love this guy. n/t

[patrice]

72. Hooo!! Haaahhh! GRAY! - SON!!!

[disillusioned73]

81. After reading some of the posts here..

I forgot what this thread was about - since it was highjacked by some anti-semitism arguement that had nothing to do with the original op...

Oh, Grayson is correct and police report did confirm that Cantor lied ;)

[MUAD_DIB]

117. Which was my argument. I cannot trust the republican leadership to be honest.

If they show me proof then that is a different story.

[spanone]

82. cantor lied ....not his campaign office...shot not fired 'at' office

[upi402]

88. I donated to Grayson and I'm unemployed

That guy rocks.

[valerief]

90. That guy (Grayson, of course, not the repub) is WONDERFUL! nt

[NewJeffCT]

107. If he had any shame, Cantor would resign

but, since he's a Republican, we know Cantor has no shame.