Health insurance reform, immigration reform, banking reform, the Trifecta

[DainBramaged]

The Pukes are powerless to stop it, and they will be out of power for a generation if we pull it off.

[Moochy]

1. Hubris

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris

Modern times

In its modern usage, hubris denotes overconfident pride and arrogance; it is often associated with a lack of humility, not always with the lack of knowledge. An accusation of hubris often implies that suffering or punishment will follow, similar to the occasional pairing of hubris and nemesis in the Greek world. The proverb "pride goes before a fall" is thought to sum up the modern definition of hubris.
(on edit: trimming this to remove unintended Godwyn's Law Violation ;-) )

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_disease

Most instances of "victory disease" display several tell-tale signs, including complacency and arrogance on the part of the afflicted. Not uncommonly, a commander who mistakenly believes he has an invincible hand leads his troops to their own massacre. The commander may also view the enemy with disdain arising from his own feeling of invincibility. Often that commander employs strategies which, though effective in earlier combats or manoeuvers, prove ineffective against a new or experienced enemy; the commander afflicted by "victory disease" may also fail to anticipate that the new enemy may use tactics different from those used by his previous enemy. The overconfident commander may also fail to respect military intelligence which, if properly appreciated, would enable the commander to realize that new tactics are needed.

[DainBramaged]

8. Sympathizers

Those who would go along with what the opposition tries to pass off as logic.

[Moochy]

9. Missed the point

But that's your job to intentionally miss the point in the name of solidarity.

[mod mom]

2. We need jobs to take top priority.

[Moochy]

10. Agree, i bet there's some money over in Iraqistan that could go toward a great jobs program

More stimulus and jobs bills to get the domestic construction sector going again, since the bailed-out banks are not lending.

[mod mom]

14. Mod mom simple plan to cut the deficit & restore sanity:

1. End the fucking wars.

2. Raise taxes to pre-Reagan era levels

3. Reinstate Glass Steagall.

4. New Deal style jobs program

5. Large FCC fines for misinformation (also great job opportunities for fact checkers)

6. strict campaign finance law

7. Repeal of Telecom Act of '96

[Moochy]

17. Sign me up!

:thumbsup: That's a good list! :kick:

[pampango]

3. Agreed, if we can pull it off, as you say. Will be interesting to see how hard Obama pushes on

immigration and banking reform now. It would be a bold (risky?) strategy to take the initiative, now that he has it, and push hard for these reforms. Or does he go for another jobs bill (which would be at least nominally bipartisan, like the last one) or let Democrats in Congress take a break from controversial issues to prepare for November (which would certainly be dropping the "initiative ball").

[optimator]

4. too bad these "reform" bills don't actually reform anything

oh yeah... i forgot its about beating repubs, not fixing problems.

[FrenchieCat]

5. Too bad you don't really have anything to say.

Will you be here during the 2010 election,
you and your unimpressive wit?

Cause we didn't know you yet
as of the last election.

[Moochy]

6. truth hurts

I see you've been visited by the Mandatory Celebration Committee.

[Grand Taurean]

7. The MCC has been making the rounds demanding conformity.

[Citizen Kang]

11. Yeah

And apparently the best way to beat the Repubs is to pass legislation they used to endorse instead of REAL Democratic ideas.

Health care reform was passed with what used to be Republican ideas.
Immigration reform is what McCain proposed.
Financial reform is being written by the biggest tools of the banks (Dodd, Frank, Shelby)

[leftstreet]

12. +1

[Moochy]

13. The Banks and Wallstreet hit the trifecta alright

Health care industry is looking for a quarter for their Lotto scratcher, but I think it's a winner too!

[pampango]

16. Immigration reform was also proposed by Kennedy and is endorsed now by organized labor

and the Progressive Caucus.

If you're going to oppose everything a republican has ever touched, Goldwater was pro-choice. Should we reject that as a result?
The John Birch society is anti-war, anti-NAFTA, and anti-globalization. They represent the conservative wing of the republican party. Should we reject those positions as having been touched by republicans?

I would have been happy if Obama proposed a national health service as in the UK. I realize that with 178 republicans, 54 blue dogs and an assortment of other moderate/conservative Democrats (who cry every time they hear someone say "socialized medicine") and a Senate that is more conservative than the House, there was not way in hell that Obama was going to get that. He apparently wanted to actually achieve reform rather than go down with my "national health service" ship. The HCR law is not my cup of tea, but it is reform supported by every member of the Progressive Caucus and opposed by every republican, and is very popular with liberals and Democrats in the (present company excluded, of course) and has the republicans on the run, at least for the moment.

When you or I get elected president we'll get to decide whether to go down with our (perfect reform) ship or ... wait... here it comes ... compromise.

[pampango]

15. Krugman has endorsed the banking reform bill. What about the immigration reform bill

does not constitute "real" reform in your opinion?

If nothing Democrats do is "real" reform, you sound a little like a certain House minority leader who can really get on a populist role. Plus I know the baggers share your opinion of the HCR law, undoubtedly agree with you that immigration reform is anything but reform, and will I'm sure any banking reform the Democrats propose.

Do you have any suggestions regarding immigration or banking reform that might contribute to the discussion or is trashing everything the cool thing to do these days?

"i forgot its about beating repubs, not fixing problems." I don't believe that anyone with whom you disagree has actually said that, but create your own fantasy world if you so desire. One thing is for sure - losing to republicans definitely doesn't fix any problems. There has to be something worthwhile and attainable somewhere between "winning (even with crap) is everything " and "losing (with perfection) is fine with me".