david frum's wife makes some interesting points about the right wing assholes

[Philosoraptor]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/danielle-crittenden/put-down-your-pitchforks_b_514791.html

We have both been part of the conservative movement for, as mentioned, the better part of half of our lives. And I can categorically state I've never seen such a hostile environment towards free thought and debate -- once the hallmarks of Reaganism, the politics with which we grew up -- prevail in our movement as it does today. The thuggish demagoguery of the Limbaughs and Becks is a trait we once derided in the old socialist Left. Well boys, take a look in the mirror. It is us now.

[librechik]

1. oh, hah! keep kidding yourself about St. Reagan, Mrs. Frum

thanks for nothing. Now REALLY wake up.

[Philosoraptor]

3. ...yeah, I remember those free thinking reagan zombies...

[FSogol]

4. Reagan empowered the Limbaughs and Beck and gave power to the Christian theocrats.

Reagan is the one you should blame, not the seeds he sowed.

[Philosoraptor]

6. When ronnie attained sainthood he was absolved of his sins

[pscot]

20. Worst President Evah

By way of his popularity he legitimized the factional divisiveness, the willful ignorance and the beggar thy neighbor free market ideology that are destroying us now.

[Dappleganger]

7. +1000 nt

[abelenkpe]

9. Her statement is meant for fellow republicans

not for liberals. I think she's trying to get others to support their effort to stand up against the violence and tactics of Beck and Limbaugh. For that we should be thankful.

Even though you're right.

[polichick]

10. Really! nt

[yurbud]

2. I think Frum will be the next David Brock.

[Captain Hilts]

5. Is she also a Canadian? I know David is. nt

[JBoy]

37. Yes. Her stepfather is Peter Worthington, former editor of the Toronto Sun.

Worthington is/was a noted conservative, and was actually charged under Canada's official secrets act for publishing the names of Canadians who were recruited by the KGB back in the 70's. Charges were eventually dropped.

[WeekendWarrior]

8. Very well written article

And you have to appreciate that she's sticking up for her husband. Despite his politics, he doesn't deserve the treatment he's getting for telling the truth. I have to say I admire both of them.

[abelenkpe]

11. me too. nt

[Marr]

12. Reagan began this.

That was the era when the GOP began actively organizing the lunatics into a voting block, and Reaganites very happily exploited that base's racism, xenophobia, and fear to get their way politically. They were the ones who decided to grab the tiger's tail. The tiger's loose now, but the Reagan crew let it out of it's cage.

[Philosoraptor]

16. Undeniably

[pscot]

21. +100

He took the country in exactly the wrong direction. We're paying for it now.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

27. "Card carrying member of the ACLU" now where had i heard that before?

"I have in my hand 57 cases of individuals who would appear to be either card carrying members or certainly loyal to the Communist Party, but who nevertheless are still helping to shape our foreign policy...."

On edit my mistake. Popy Bush not reagan.

http://www.h-net.org/~hst306/documents/mccarthy.html

[ecstatic]

13. uh huh

:nopity:

[Hekate]

14. Dear Mr. and Mrs. Frum: You lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. eom

[lumberjack_jeff]

15. The Republicans haven't been about thinking since Eisenhower. n/t

[hatesthegop]

17. And even Eisenhower was a cocksucking piece of shit

just remember who he chose as a vice president!

[wellst0nev0ter]

23. Even Though He Was, Hell, A Socialist By Today's Standards

He was still a republican who had to co-opt the fearmongering base of his party, so that's why he chose Tricky Dick.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

18. During the Bush admin

Frum was hard at work trying to purge the paleo-conservatives who didn't support the Iraq war. Now he is the one being purged. Fuck him.

[malaise]

38. +1,000

Fuck that neo-con :puke:

[chill_wind]

19. I was just reading that he co-authored a book with none other than Richard Perle. Ugh....

eom

[unblock]

22. yeah, mr. "there you go again" was all about free thought and debate. riiiiight.

[bahrbearian]

24. Hostile crowds in Canada?

"this young man who quite literally waded into throngs of hostile crowds and patiently debated with them as to why the North American Free Trade Act would be good for Canada"
Are those the crowds that don't use "excuse me, please or thank you"?

[JBoy]

39. Actually she's right about the Free Trade debate.

It was, by Canadian standards, the most contentious political argument I've ever seen. And it was the left that was painting it as "armageddon".

[denverbill]

25. The very definition of conservatism precludes 'free thought'.

The hallmark of conservatism is opposition to change, and in the case of modern American conservatives, who are actually reactionaries, they want to roll back changes already in place, like Medicare and Social Security and minimum wage laws. Conservatives would simply oppose new changes, like new social spending programs. The current reactionaries obviously oppose that too, but the majority also every other progressive reform since the Enlightenment, including democracy, women's rights, abolition of slavery, government food safety programs, etc.

[spanone]

26. free thought & debate...the hallmarks of reaganism... bwahahahhaa

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tell that to the air traffic controllers union he busted....what horseshit

[Spazito]

28. This sudden 'awakening' of "thuggish demagoguery" is as phony as...

a three dollar bill, imo. The one thing one doesn't do is EVER trust David Frum and his ilk which includes his wife. I will await the revelation of the REAL agenda behind all this phony crap.

[MajorChode]

29. Raygun frequenty called the portly drug addict a "great American"

Raygun most certainly didn't give a shit about meaningful debate. Frankly the guy was only capable of delivering one liners written by his speechwriters. If you ever watched his election debates, they were full of hyperbole and bullshit. As a trained actor, Raygun had the ability to deliver hyperbole and bullshit and at least appear as if he believed it strongly himself. That's not free thought and debate. That's simply a snake oil salesman that's better at his craft than most.

That being said, I agree completely with the rest of Ms. Frum's comments. However, I think she was aiming them more towards the Limbaughs and Becks of the world and the reality is that type of mentality is firmly embedded into those GOPhers that fill the halls of congress, so it's not the Limbaughs and the Becks that are the biggest part of the problem.

[upi402]

30. Russia was authoritarian, not Marxist. Republicans are authoritarian

and we better see the similarities to Russia and the rise of Nazi Germany soon.

[DailyGrind51]

31. The Frums are "salvagable" conservatives.

[DCKit]

35. So long as there's no place for them in the new Republican party.

And I'm thinking they're both too high-maintenance for us regular folks (aka Democrats).

Guess they'll just have to remain adrift for awhile until they find the next lowest common denominator.

[AnArmyVeteran]

32. Reagan was a fraud. The Heritage Foundation is a right wing extremist sewer...

Knowledge is power, but distortions, lies and propaganda from the Heritage think tank full of floating turds of right wingers is not a source for knowledge, truth or facts. But you are free to go there to read skewed numbers, distorted information and outright lies. Oh yeah, and you can listen to lots of 'gosh golly' clips from Ronnie Reagan, the same president who sent our soldiers to Lebanon and because he restricted them with tight orders of engagement 241 of them were murdered in their sleep by suicide truck bombers. Then Reagan cut and ran within two weeks pulling out every soldier in the area. And Reagan is the same president who increased our national debt 400%. Reagan also gutted funding to regulatory agencies and set up the savings and loan scandal which cost the American taxpayer almost a trillion dollars. Reagan also never once proposed a balanced budget, but he claimed to be fiscally conservative. Reagan also never once vetoed an appropriations bill. Reagan also gave weapons and money to terrorists to free the hostages held by the Iranians.

Yeah, you can go to the Heritage website and you can even spam it all over trying to dupe the unsuspecting right winger into actually taking your bait. But any educated, reasonable and intelligent person knows the Heritage organization is just a think tank filled with neocons and other right wing cowards, none of whom have served in the military, but whom all love to go to war.

Knowledge is power, but right wingers are terrified of knowledge. That's why they attack teachers, professors, universities, scientists and anyone else with intelligence. They even attack science itself, just as they did in the dark ages when the right wingers of that day thought the earth was flat.

[opihimoimoi]

33. The Pubs got hijacked and sent Them Bushes in there for nefarious reasons...mostly BAD reasons

W BUSH 2X was the straw....leading to the GOP FREEFALL SPIRAL

[Blue Owl]

34. Thugs. Cronies. Thieves. Cheaters. Liars.

There's your grand old Republican party.

[Philosoraptor]

36. ..........