Who Is Changing To Windows Vista

[rsmith6621]

Poll question: Who Is Changing To Windows Vista

......today

[Beelzebud]

1. Sticking with XP. They can take their DRM and shove it.

If I wasn't addicted to video games, I would have switched to mac or Linux years ago.

Someone get OpenGL to kick Direct3D's ass! :D

[personman]

25. Ditto.

Stuck on Windows for games, otherwise I'd switch everything over to Linux (which I already dual-boot). Already has free alternatives to everything else I use.

I read Micro$oft plans to limit DirectX 10 to Windows Vista to force gamers to switch over if they want to play the newer games.

I might eventually have to cave and buy it, but not anytime soon.

[Matariki]

37. well, god forbid developers get paid for their work n/t

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

114. Your point is? -nt

[walldude]

43. Yeah being a PC gamer is a bitch if you don't like MS.

Vista has way too much spyware. MS and Intel are monitoring everything you do. Wait. Game companies aren't going to release DX10 only games for a year or so. By that time Vista will be cracked and hacked. I downloaded a version about 6 months ago. I installed it on a spare system just to see what it was like. Basically it's dumbed down even further than XP. The copy I tried had cracks to get around registration but nothing to kill the spyware. I like to have a legitimate copy of my operating system so I will buy a Vista upgrade, but I'll grab all the hacks and cracks to keep MS and Intel out of my personal business.

[RegimeChange2008]

52. Best way to keep Intel out of your business - buy AMD!

I've run nothing but AMD processors for the last 10 years. Haven't had one die on me yet.

[walldude]

62. I'm with ya.. also been running AMD for awhile now

Back in the mid 90's I had to stay with Intel because AMD processors had issues with gaming but around the time Win98 came out they really got their shit together. They easily surpass Intel on price with an equal and sometimes superior product. Still gotta watch out for Microsoft though, the end user agreement gives them nearly complete autonomy to spy on you.

[fujiyama]

84. I have to say I was a big AMD fan

but this Core 2 Duo kicks ass. My previous PC was AMD and it works great still after five years. But when I was looking for an upgrade, I switched over to Intel. At the moment - the bang for the buck is with Intel.

[RegimeChange2008]

86. Their end user agreement can say whatever it wants....

But if you know what files do the "phoning home" and how to shut em down, there's a lot less spying. And a lot more freed up resources for gaming or whatever, as far as that goes. As I said elsewhere in this thread, I could shut down all the unneccessary shit in Vista just as I have in XP, but why bother installing a new OS when half of it's gonna be Orwellian crapware?

[walldude]

98. First of all I only mentioned that EUA so people would know

what permissions they are giving Microsoft when they install Vista. Second if you think using MSconfig, or ctl&alt&delete to shut down "phoning services" is protecting you from them you are sadly misinformed.

[fujiyama]

83. Hehe, DX10

Great, then even more money has to be spent for a new video card that supports it.

[alfredo]

66. the DRM has been cracked.

I don't remember where I saw it, but I do remember the headline. It was probably at Slashdot.

[EV_Ares]

2. Not Today though didn't see that.

Need a new computer so waited until the new operating system came out unless I go with a Mac.

[bryant69]

3. I have been studying the Necronomicon and apparently in order

to curry favor with the Dark Lord of Misery and Cold Sores, I need to switch to Windows Vista soon as possible.

But frankly it still doesn't seem worth it.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[TornadoTN]

4. On my current systems, not yet - but eventually

But I was due for a new laptop here at work, so I had the company hold off on replacing mine until they came out today with the new systems with Vista. So I stopped by Office Depot on the way in this morning and picked up a rather nice HP system that had a great pricetag.

Overall, I like the feeling of it so far, it seems a lot better vetted out than XP at this early stage. I do not like the DRM and its a tough pill to swallow, but I don't see a way around it in the foreseeable future.

[Wickerman]

5. Most likely after SP2

:rofl: I've tried it out, had a copy in December and yeah, its cool. However, I NEVER add a new Micro$oft OS on a machine I actually use until it hits SP2. Office 2007 is a nice update and worth installing.

[TornadoTN]

14. Office 2007 is a very nice addition

That one was well worth the upgrade alone. I'm finding so far that Vista is a nice change, but I'm not sure that it's worth the price to upgrade at this time for most users.

[madinmaryland]

6. I'm still running the Milleneum Edition

Also another one with 98SE

[Jakey]

76. Egad...

at least move up to XP if your system will support it. 98 and ME are the things nightmares are made of.

[RegimeChange2008]

88. Someone is still using ME??

That was the single biggest turd Micro$oft ever released under the Windows name. Only "Bob" was a bigger waste of time than Millennium Edition. Anyone else remember that thing?

[laruemtt]

7. can you just get an upgrade

if you use XP now? that would be great, as academicsuperstore.com has it for 69.95!

[TornadoTN]

12. yes you can

Plus, if you can get academic pricing, you will get a better rate for certain.

[Verde]

21. Before you do, go to the Vista site and you can get a programme

that you can run to assure all your hardware and peripherals are compatible with Vista. I've been Beta testing it and the Office 2007. Frankly, I'm more impressed with the Office as someone else mentioned.

[Possumpoint]

8. I Was Told

that Vista requires 1 meg of RAM. None of my computers has anywhere close to that. I'll wait till they crap out.

[laruemtt]

11. here's what i found for system requirements:

System Requirements
# 1GHz 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor
# 1GB of system memory
# SVGA (800x600) graphics controller with 128MB RAM
# Support for DirectX 9 graphics with a WDDM driver, Pixel
# Shader 2.0 and 32-bits per pixel.
# 40GB hard drive with at least 15GB free space
# DVD-ROM drive
# Audio output
# Internet capability (high-speed connection preferred)

http://www.academicsuperstore.com/market/marketdisp.html?PartNo=784207

[Ezlivin]

18. 1 MB of RAM!

Actually that would be outstanding.

If Vista could do what it promises and only require 1MB of RAM they'd shame Steve Jobs and Company.

I suspect you mean 1GB of RAM.

:)

[Leopolds Ghost]

79. Isn't it amazing how people think if something requires more and more RAM, it must be more powerful

Why the f*** can't they work within some limitations instead of forcing people to continually upgrade a simple ***ing operating system for the sake of their their Matrix-esque 3D operating environments? **** that!

[Laha]

9. Nothing but horror stories

That's all I've come across. About the only review I've seen yet that was favourable about that monstrous piece of crap has been from the mouth of Billy Gates himself while trying to push his product on the Daily Show. And even then I hardly found it convincing.

[bleedingheart]

10. I must for my job

[thereismore]

13. Linux, baby. nt

[kineneb]

106. for me, too. Can't afford contiunal hardware upgrades.

Can download latest Linux offerings for free. Why pay money for an OS? I can't afford to upgrade the hardware on my computer to run Vista anyway- living on fixed income.

Linux- the OS for the rest of the world.

[mcscajun]

15. I don't upgrade for upgrading's sake. I upgrade when I need to

because some function necessary either to me or my PC will no longer work (or will work less than optimally) unless I do upgrade; that holds true for all programs, not just an OS.

For an OS, I actually prefer to wait until I get a new PC and the new OS is already a couple of years old, and it is already installed on the new PC. As I said, though, if there is a genuine need to upgrade, then I will do so. I have to be pushed.

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

16. email from Compuserve:

Compuserve won't work with Vista so find another internet provider.

[Egnever]

24. Compuserve sucks anyway

you arent missing out there.

[Poiuyt]

17. Unless you have a fairly new computer, it's probably not powerful enough

to handle Vista. If it's more than a year or year and a half, it probably would just get bogged down. Plus you're going to have all kinds of compatibility problems. I've heard the best thing is to wait until it's time for a new computer and get one with Vista pre-installed.

[FreeCajun]

19. I switched to Ubuntu Linux just to avoid Vista....

Linux has a do-it-yourself feel that I absolutely love, and Microsoft's products and business practices seem just well... undemocratic.

[Ezlivin]

20. Time to make more money!

First the hardware is made screamingly fast.

Then the software is upgraded to take advantage of this power.

Then the hardware begins to seem "slow."

Next the hardware is upgraded.

Now it's time for another upgrade of software to take advantage of this power.

Once you are on this upgrade treadmill there is no easy way to get off. How many of the "world's fastest" PCs have you owned and where are they right now?

[ncrainbowgrrl]

22. Mac OS X, baby!

:bounce:

but, yes, i'll be upgrading when their next upgrade comes out.

[LifeDuringWartime]

50. me too

very happy (for the most part) with OS X 10.4. 10.5 looks like it will be worth the upgrade.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

107. Same- I was very impressed with the updates that were made in 10.4

I'm thinking that 10.5 will rock.
Also, with academic pricing, I may be one of the first to upgrade! (makes the upgrade SO much cheaper!)

[all.of.me]

100. me, too!

[Egnever]

23. No choice here customers will be calling me

needing it fixed in no time at all. I installed it and messed with it a month or so ago and it does have some nice features. I don't know if they are near nice enough to deal with all of the pirating protection that goes along with it.

Really though you can get most of the new functionality as patches to XP already. The media player is already out for XP as is the indexing service, IE7 has been out for a bit already too. As someone else mentioned though the new office suite is quite nice.

[ClintonTyree]

26. I was happy with Windows 98.....

I have XP Home on my laptop, because that's what it came with. With what I use a computer for (spread sheets, word processing, surfing etc.) I have absolutely NO use for a newer OS. I guess there are some people that just HAVE TO HAVE the newest version of everything but I'm not one of them. No Window's Vista for me! (in my best "soup nazi" voice) ;)

[BushOut06]

27. I just bought a new computer with free Vista upgrade

Still not sure if I actually want to make the switch, though. If I do upgrade to Vista, and I don't like it, can I go back to XP?

[slackmaster]

28. Here's a way to try before you commit

Free Virtualization!

http://www.vmware.com/products/free_virtualization.html

[meldroc]

45. Danger, Will Robinson!

I remember reading something today that says if you upgrade to Vista, it invalidates your XP product key, so if you decide you want to go back, you can't... legally...

[Jersey Devil]

93. Once you upgrade you cannot go back to xp

The upgrade process invalidates your xp. However, I believe you can work around this if you partition your hard drive, then install xp on another partition and then upgrade that partition only to Vista, with a dual boot option. Then if you don't like Vista you can just eliminate the vista partition and go back to booting from the xp only partition. I'd check that with someone more savvy than I am but it is what I did when I tested xp and had win98 as my OS.

[BushOut06]

105. What about a system restore?

If I installed Vista today, and didn't like it - couldn't I simply restore my PC to yesterday's date?

[IDemo]

29. I will wait at least until after SP1, then decide between Vista & OSX

Vista would require a few bucks to upgrade my current machine, which is working fine as is. I would probably break down and buy a new system instead of upgrading when the time comes.

While I checked out an iMac last year and found it generally attractive, what concerns me a bit is that OSX tends to get the same type of comments as Linux from its users: "So easy to use, my great grandmother is now running a web business with it!" I have tried numerous Linux 'distros', including SuSe, Mandriva (Mandrake), Knoppix, and Red Hat. All of them exposed enough frustrating bits after a while to make me reclaim the partitions on my dual boot XP box and repair the boot sector (to get rid of Grub-Lilo). Kind of makes me wonder if Mac OSX has a few 'gotchas' for former Windows users as well...

[alfredo]

69. You can run XP alongside OSX on the Mac, or you can dual boot.

The interface is different, so there is a bit of a learning curve. I've been using OSX since 10.0 and I am still learning all the neat things that can be done.

[madrchsod]

30. one more step in gates plan to control the world!

the keys to his heaven have already been hacked and defeated...he`s basically a rich scumbag who will take the last penny from a dead man`s eye

[AndyTiedye]

31. Microsoft Didn't Make Vista for You, Microsoft Made Vista For THEM

It's all about DRM and crippling everything so you couldn't possibly get around the DRM. Screw that!

We don't need your stinking DRM!

[MyNameGoesHere]

34. You do know

that MS did not invent DRM and that it is mostly driven by the big entertainment industry. Even MAC's, LinBoxes and soon all digital media will be subject to this. you do know that hard books are copyrighted also? Song lyrics etc? I understand that there are pitfalls of this technology, and i also understand that stealing is bad too. But i am a little smarter to blame it on MS.

Usually when people start bashing MS for all the technological woes in the world, it only means that there computer hates them.

[Solon]

35. DRM isn't to protect against copyright infringement, its designed to try to tie...

hardware, software, and media together to prevent fair use rights. MS didn't invent it, but they DID put it in Vista when it WASN'T necessary in the first place. DRM does little to nothing to prevent certain people from copying and distributing the media in question. When there's a will, there's a way. What DRM DOES do is become a PAIN IN THE ASS for LEGITIMATE users who want to use their media in LEGAL ways.

[MyNameGoesHere]

39. Why?

If you are using it legally then it should work. The only people that are really complaining about it are illegal users. It does not seem a problem at all for me. I can say that i have not one issue with it. If i want music i pay. No problem.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20051010/1440231_F.shtml

[Solon]

82. Just because you don't have problems doesn't mean others don't have problems...

DRM is getting more restrictive all the time. For example, its hard as hell to convert Apple's DRM'd MP4 files from iTunes to mp3 for my mp3 player(don't have an iPod), or an mp3 mix-cd that I use for my car stereo. Now, before you say I'm doing something illegal, I'm not, you are allowed copies for PERSONAL use, and format shifting is also expressly allowed by copyright law. However, in an ironic twist, to remove the DRM on the MP4s, I would have to break a different law, the DMCA, one of Clinton's mistakes.

In order to circumvent the MP4 protection so I can use my music legitimately, I either have to download a third party program, or I would have to burn a standard audio CD and then re-rip it to mp3, which is a pain in the ass and time consuming.

Hell, don't get me started on the "copy protection" that is present on many games and programs. Another story, I bought GTA: San Andreas for my computer from Best Buy. No biggy, I install it, then when I attempt to run it, with the DVD in the drive, it says it doesn't recognize the DVD in the drive, and refuses to work. So I did what anybody would do, I went to the Rockstar website, apparently the type of copy protection used for the game isn't compatible with all DVD drives. Its not like mine was some obscure brand name, its Sony for crying out loud. Rockstar recommended I go to the manufacturer's website and see if a firmware update will work. So I go to the website, and low and behold, a firmware update was available, so I download that, flash the drive, tried the game, and it still didn't work.

I tried everything possible for over 2 hours, then I said fuck it, and I searched the web for a "No-CD" crack of the program. So I searched, found one, downloaded it, did a virus scan, just in case, then ran that and the game works like a charm now.

Do you want me to go into my Windows XP Activation fiasco that I went through after a simple hardware upgrade? Spending an hour and a half on the phone to Microsoft technical assistance was a pain in the ass all in itself.

There are other reasons to oppose DRM, for apparently even big companies aren't above a little "hacking" to impose their will.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Sony_BMG_CD_copy_protection_scandal

[MyNameGoesHere]

99. Sure and what i am saying

is all the hatred is really misplaced. There are NUMEROUS companies involved in the implementation and promotion of DRM. You and others like your favorite stepson to beat up on though. Instead of bashing them all some people just want to target MS because it is cool i guess.

[Solon]

110. Of course, if you noticed, I criticized not one, but 4 different companies...

For their various different types of ways to restrict consumer rights, in both legislation and on a practical level. Apple, Microsoft, and the media publishers seem to be hell bent on making "trusted computing" a reality. No offense, but I'm one of those crazy types who believes that when I buy a computer, I OWN that computer.

Of course, this thread is about Vista, so my initial criticism was based on how DRM friendly Vista is, basically taking the choice away from the consumer whenever possible. This doesn't exempt other companies from their actions, obviously.

I don't use Apple's OSX, not planning on getting Vista, and will Keep XP for some games only, that's about it. For everything else, including media, I use Linux. And before you ask, I don't worry too much about DRM on Linux, programs like VLC ignore the DRM in files, and there are utilities that strip DRM from almost any of my media files that I bought and paid for.

[MyNameGoesHere]

92. I think the real issue then is

"What is fair use"? Maybe that is the battle you need to fight. DRM is almost a standard, while MS implements it there are other people who make the standards. I think your beef might be with them also.

[Junkdrawer]

104. Listen to this: A video card could STOP if the manufacturer doesn't pay their dues...

AFTER you, the consumer, bought the card and installed it.

http://aolradio.podcast.aol.com/sn/SN-074.mp3

[AndyTiedye]

38. I Know That It Could Have Been Implemented Without So Crippling the Machine

My Macs and Linux and BSD boxes like me just fine.

Microsoft is getting in bed with the entertainment industry to try to lock us into their platform.
Screw them.

[MyNameGoesHere]

40. But the media

has DRM embedded in it. That is not a operating system issue. The application that runs your media just checks to see if you stole it. If you bought it no problem. Oh and Apple has been a big supporter of DRM. And Linux is actually starting to implement it as well in some of their apps. Sure you don't hate MS just to hate?

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20051010/1440231_F.shtml

[AndyTiedye]

81. We Seem to Have a Microsoft Fanboy Here

But the media has DRM embedded in it. That is not a operating system issue.

I know.

The application that runs your media just checks to see if you stole it.

Fair use is not stealing, but I doubt the application can tell the difference.
I pay for my music and my movies. My living room is full of CDs and DVDs!

If you bought it no problem.

And if I buy my music and movies over the net in their DRM'ed form and my hardware fails, will I have to buy all my music and all my video all over again?

Oh and Apple has been a big supporter of DRM.

Apple's implementation of DRM is unobtrusive. Even so, I have avoided purchasing music from the iTunes store.

And Linux is actually starting to implement it as well in some of their apps.

In the apps is where it belongs. When it starts to take over the operating system and interfere with other applications I get very nervous.

Sure you don't hate MS just to hate?

I don't hate Microsoft, but those who do have plenty of good reasons for doing so.

Everything they say about there being secret interfaces into Windows for Microsoft Applications is true.
I reverse-engineered those interfaces so I could use them.

[MyNameGoesHere]

91. calling me a fanboy is

not accurate. I am able to use all technology to my advantage. I make my living supporting MS products so i do have a interest in it. when i see people bashing it for what other companies are let slide on it smells of fanboyism that you call me. You call me a a fanboy? I have just stated the real issues. DRM is here to stay and it will be in all the systems sooner or later. When it is i hope you will bash with the same enthusiasm that some show against MS.

[Bridget Burke]

116. Well, Microsoft has created many jobs....

For people who "support" products that need lots of support.

[Pierre.Suave]

32. I will stick with...

Mac OSX thank you...

[cynatnite]

33. Getting a new computer in a few months...

this one is about on it's last legs. So that's a yes.

[Maeve]

36. Hubby was working on it last night for his computer

Me, I don't see any need to change my computer at this time. Our livingroom media center will probably get switched this weekend or so (can you tell Hubby's in the business?)

[Liberal In Texas]

41. VIsta has so many issues, we're seriously contemplating switching our

2 PC desktops to Mac. My wife will do it first, get a grip on the change, and then explain it to me.

:-)

[Elwood P Dowd]

42. I switched years ago.

Once you go Mac you will never go back.

[Liberal In Texas]

47. So I hear. Now that you can run some programs that will only run on windows,

I might be tempted. Actually, we're really tempted. We'll probably not do anything in the short term. But when XP starts getting buggy or won't be supported, we are probably going to jump. Vista is at this point a mess and I hate DRM. (No SONY for me...)

[Swamp Rat]

60. You can run Windoze programs on Apple OS at the same time

because Apples now have Intel processors. ;)

Check out this program:
http://www.parallels.com/

[Liberal In Texas]

65. That's what I was referring to. Makes it more desirable. n/t

[Swamp Rat]

57. Yeah you rite!

:D

[Klapaucius]

97. Switching to Mac OSX

My fiancee and I will be switching to Macs. After a spectacular blowout of her machine, and finally getting it working ( Vid card and hard drive failed at the same time, and it's still not running right after a reinstall), we got a good impressive demonstration of Boot Camp from friends of ours. I do hardware support for the family and extended family, and frankly, I'm sick of it. Macs just work, and I don't have time to fix peoples hardware anymore. I announced that I was no longer doing hardware support, and that I would be recommending Macs for hardware, even if it's to run Windows. I will not run Vista if I can avoid it. Parallels or Boot Camp and XP, until I can no longer run XP stuff.

I'm already running Linux ( Ubuntu ), and the fact that OSX is based on BSD ( which has a great security model ) is a big selling point for me. Looking forward to the next version of OS X. Maybe they'll do something that makes the game publishers reconsider their stance on games for the Mac side.

K.

[Swamp Rat]

102. D-d-d-dd-do it-t n-nn-n-now!

:D

[paparush]

44. VISTA has the most restrictive DRM that has ever been unleashed upon

the public.

Go listen to Steve Gibson's podcast on the Vista DRM (Episode #74) over at Security Now (http://www.twit.tv/SN) or at Steve's website (http://grc.com/securitynow)

Microsoft and Hollywood want C O M P L E T E control over how you use/view HD content. Its nasty!

[Junkdrawer]

103. Thanks. n/t

[bullwinkle428]

46. My old PC running on Win 98 is on its last legs - will most likely

switch over to a Mac OS, as I want to get a Mac mini...

[meldroc]

48. Absolutely not. I'll stick with Linux.

Microsoft can take their DRM, their licensing policies and EULAs and shove it!

I'm running Ubuntu Linux on my laptop. It's a brand new Asus A8Js, and I do have a Vista upgrade coupon, but I'm probably not going to bother.

Linux does have a killer app that absolutely no commercial OS, especially Vista can match: Freedom. Vista is so horribly locked down. You can't move your installation to a different machine. You can't watch movies on it unless you have Approved Hardware. If you upgrade from XP to Vista using an upgrade CD, it will automatically phone home and invalidate your XP key, so if you decide you don't like Vista, because it's too slow and bloated on your system, you won't be allowed to reinstall XP.

You can do whatever you damn well want in Linux. Even hack the source code. The only restriction is that if you make changes and make your code public, you have to make your source code public, under the same terms.

[Feron]

49. I'm not

I find Linux easier to use than Windows and without all of the hassle. The fact that I can customize Linux to my specification completely is also a big bonus.

DRM is another issue as well as well as the fact that I would have to buy a new motherboard and RAM just for XP to work.

No thanks.

[RegimeChange2008]

51. Hell, I'd go back to Windows 2K, if it would only run my TV card

But since it doesn't, I'm stuck with XP. I have a copy of Vista, but I'm not planning on installing it anytime soon, even if the Digital "Rights" Fascism can be disabled. I just don't need any more bloated software on my computer. Not that I don't know how to shut down all the unnecessary crap, but you should have the option of NOT installing it in the first place.

[Katherine Brengle]

53. Too expensive --

I'm still on 98 bc I'm not shelling out for an upgrade until I buy a new computer.

[blogslut]

54. No change

I go WIN 2000 and no higher. I don't need all the bells and whistles that came with XP and I sure don't need Vista.

I especially do not like the philosophy behind Microsoft .NET. Ultimately, MS wants to take our hard copy software away from us. They want us to run our computers from web-based applications and servers. The MS embedded DRM just helps to enforce web-based applications and licensing for the future. No more install files. No more backup copies of valuable software. No more choice when it comes to upgrades. Just fuck you, pay me.

[Liberal_Dog]

55. I'll Probably Wait...

until I get a new PC. We got our HP PC in 2001, and it seems to be running pretty good...

[FVZA_Colonel]

56. I could be badly misinformed about the issue, but the only thing keeping me from switching to a Mac

when my Inspiron craps out is gaming. If it is true that "porting" is no longer necessary, and I could play any game I wanted, then I think I will.

[Omphaloskepsis]

90. Apple has a program called Boot Camp..

It is in beta right now and will be included in 10.5. I have XP installed on my iMac. I have to re-boot to use XP. But, that takes 45 seconds. And Windows runs at a native speed. So I could play any Windows game I want if I played games. I would just need to re-boot into Windows. And then I could switch back to OS X when I need to get work done.

[Clarkie1]

58. I prefer Operating systems with wildcat names.

For me it's who's going to switch to Leopard? :-)

http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/index.html

[alarimer]

59. Nope. My next computer will be a Mac

Once I am done with my thesis, I no longer have to worry if I am compatible with anyone so they can read my files. So I will make the switch when XP is no longer supported or my computers crap out. They should be good enough for internet and email for a good long time.

[Swamp Rat]

61. Apple users can read any Windows file and even run both operating systems at the same time

Check out this program:
http://www.parallels.com/

[Clarkie1]

63. Uh...yuck. Why would I want to do that?

I keep my apples pure. :-)

I understand of course that those transitioning to a healther lifestyle may have need for it.

[Elwood P Dowd]

68. I agree

Other than Office 2004, no Windoze crap on my Apple.

[Swamp Rat]

74. If your job or education relied on the use of a certain Windoze-based program

you might.

I have to use ArcGIS, which is a Windoze program. When I get an Intel Mac, I will install Windoze and this program so that I can do my work at home.

Nevertheless, I have been using Apples since the very beginning. My first computer was an Apple IIe. :)

[TommyO]

108. For most people it's because of games

and other software that's not available for OS X.

I'm currently using a Power-PC based Mac, so Parallels or Boot Camp isn't an option for me (until I add an iMac to the mix).

[Vidar]

64. It's all been downhill since 3.11.

[Breeze54]

67. Vista will NOT run on any 'puter older than 1 &1/2 yrs old!

No! I'm not switching to Vista.

[piedmont]

70. Vista is the reason I will go with Linux on my next computer

Do you hear that, Microsoft?

[The Straight Story]

71. I will put it on one computer for work related issues

Doing contract work for others who run it and will need to keep pace.

I prefer solaris and unix, would like a mac for sure, and love XP really.

Can't all we OS'es just get along? :rofl:

[AikidoSoul]

72. Vista will use all the memory you will feed it so it's better to max on the memory if you can afford

it and you'll need a lot more memory than 1GB because that's just what's required for the O/S.... what about the other software that you'll be running? If you get VISTA you have to get at least 2GB of memory so you can run the other programs.

I have 4GB of DDR2-800 CORSAIR memory consisting of (2) 2GB CORSAIR TWIN2X2048-6400 Kit XMS2-6400 Xtreme Performance Memory -- with only two memory slots taken on a four memory slot motherboard. This is in preparation for VISTA-- but am not going to get it until service pack 2. Am totally sick of problems with the first versions of any O/S.

Am currently using an INTEL® Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe Processor 2.4GHz, 1066FSB, LGA775, 4MB Cache which I notice actually runs faster than a 3.4GHz Pentium D. Also have a CHAINTECH NVIDIA GeForce 7600GS, 512MB DDR2 SDRAM Video card with PCI Express -- so graphics won't steal virtual memory from the hard drive.

And with all this freaking speed -- I'm in the middle of freaking nowhere, deep, deep in the boonies down miles of dirt roads... and am forced to have a dialup connection.

[Breeze54]

73. It's also processor speed and older 'puters don't have it!

If you want to run vista...get a new computer!!!

REALLY NEW!!!

[AikidoSoul]

75. Get a newer computer? You must not know anything about what I was describing because my computer

is new and it's cutting edge fast. Since I co-own a computer services company we build them regularly and I've had two to play with over the past three months. I chose to keep the one with the INTEL Conroe processor, because it's even faster than the Dual Core INTEL Pentium D.

Below is a link that Anandtech and many other tech-heads use to show benchmark performance
for the various processors. Note that you can even choose different types of software to compare
performance. We chose EXCEL, Word Perfect, Adobe Acrobat (the large file transfer) and other software
and the INTEL 2 DUO Dual-Core processor rated as one of the highest.

We looked at other benchmark testing at INTEL as well, but this one is more fun:

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html?modelx=33&model1=433&model2=438&chart=181

The only reason I don't want the VISTA yet is because we know that Microsoft will have too many holes in it initially -- and we don't want the problems for our own computers.

We have to "play" with VISTA on one of the workshop computers because we have to get familiar with it so we can put them in our computers when our customers demand it -- but we're not recommending it until the bugs are worked out. Meanwhile, MS gives out a freebie coupon to upgrade to VISTA whenever you buy a new system with Microsoft XP Pro or Microsoft Windows Media Center.

During the big VISTA unveiling we didn't even go to one of the big MICROSOFT conference exhibits this year, because we're familiar with Microsoft's tendency to oversell its newest O/S, and didn't want to get caught up in the worldwind of hype this time.

[Breeze54]

77. I said OVER A YEAR AND A HALF OLD !!!!

Read before you spew! ;)

Even MS said that Vista WILL NOT RUN WELL ON ANY COMPUTER

that is over a year and a half old!!!

Vista is built for speed not for comfort!

Not the way it SHOULD RUN!!!

Vista is designed and programmed for super fast machines....

........the advice from MS??

Buy a NEW computer with Vista ALREADY INSTALLED!!!!!

But your shop may be and probably can overcome that...

You just need a lot of new hardware and new drivers...lots of them! ;) :sarcasm:

Have fun! lmao! :rofl:

You might want to read all of these complaints first, though!!
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices&lang=en&cr=US&r=b29cdfa3-8deb-4997-b525-6325f9a93ebd

[maine_raptor]

95. I feel your pain.

I have two PCs that I use strictly for gaming (flight sims). Both PCs have very similar internals as yours and I ain't switching them over to Vista. Right now they are both setup for max performance of the software they use, and that was quite a chore just with XP. I'm also out in the boonies, so on-line gaming is iffy at best. I have begged and pleaded with Verizon and my ISP to bring me high-speed access; no luck so far, but the local cable company was willing to run a line to my house.........for a measly $15,000 that is.

[Leopolds Ghost]

78. Sad to see a poll like this on DU, where you would think Mac users would be represented

That seems to assume everyone taking the poll is a Windows user.

("Switch to Vista" implies that we are all using Vista-compatible PCs.)

It certainly implies that people simply buy a new computer every
time Microsoft upgrades its Windows operating system, which most
consumers have been brainwashed into doing by simple peer pressure.

Sort of like polls on DU that assume everyone drives, or assume
everyone has cable.

In the future, All Americans will drive, have cable, and use Microsoft
products, because this is the Land of the Do What You're Told... Where
you're free, just as long as you don't leave the fold.

[Breeze54]

80. Naw!!

My 'puter was on sale! Nothing to do with the 'pack mentality'!
Had a lot to do with $$$ and a great sale and the fact that I'm having
eyesight problems, so building another one, wasn't on my agenda this year!
So sorry! lmao!

In the future, All Americans will drive, have cable, and use Microsoft
products, because this is the Land of the Do What You're Told... Where
you're free, just as long as you don't leave the fold.

THE FUTURE IS HERE! WAKE UP!!!! :)

[REP]

85. Switched Years Ago ... When OS X First Came Out

Sorry - someone had to be as smartass and post it!

[Raydawg1234]

87. Can't afford to upgrade my computer, I'd have to get a new motherboard.

[WritersBlock]

89. I fought tooth & nails against switching to that new-fangled "Windoze" thing from DOS anyway.

And I've resisted each "upgrade" ever since. Now I've dragged my luddite-self to XP Professional (but only because it came with my Tablet PC) - what more does the Redmond Monster want from me?

Ain't gonna go there with Vista.

[ecstatic]

94. heck no. most of my current programs would stop working properly

plus, if it ain't broke, why fix it?
I actually have very few complaints regarding Windows XP. It's stable and rarely, if ever, crashes. I heard a story of someone's Windows Vista machine crashing Explorer right out the box. LOL.

[MadHound]

96. Why should I change to any Windows OS?

I like having a computer that works reliably, day in, day out, with little to no downtime due to viruses and glitches. That's why I've always had Macs:evilgrin:

[all.of.me]

101. it's already been hacked.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2710393

[LanternWaste]

109. Once I get a new machine

It's pretty well stated that unless you have a relatively new machine, don't bother trying. So the answer for is: Not for the time being; however once I do get a new machine (this summer-- keeping fingers crossed), I'll make sure Vista's either pre-installed on it or I'll get a standalone copy and install it myself.

[Greyhound]

111. No how, no way.

Win2K was my last concession, and my last contribution, to M$ and it is intrusive and frustrating enough. Apparently we in the industry did a truly horrible job of helping people to understand what a computer is and should be able to do.

Windoze XP consists of over 29 million lines of code, to say that is bloated is like saying Mt. Everest is a pimple, and I can only imagine that vista makes XP look like MS-DOS. An OS has only one purpose and that is to tell the components how to interact and process instructions, and to use the minimum resources in doing this. The idea that a so-called operating system requires 1GB of RAM and more processing power than existed in the world 40 years ago, just to limp along at a barely functional level, is absurd to the point of obscenity.

Of course the Microserfs will rant and rave about how wonderful it is, but if you could get the old sodium pantathol into them, they would admit that their cheer-leading is nothing more than perceived job security. The number of "programmers" (or developers, or architects, or whatever other euphamism they've invented this year) who don't understand the most basic principles of writing efficient code, is disturbing to say the least. For the most part they make their living scripting instructions for the software that actually writes the code, the problem is that software, due to its inability to reason, cannot write efficient software, what it must, by its very nature, produce is horribly inefficient and bloated.

And to those that feel they must accept the M$ ass-fuck to keep playing, pretty much all game companies that are not owned by M$ port their games to LINUX and they run much better and faster, and as for on-line play, well you can punish the M$ crowd every night as they just can't keep up (provided your connection is as fast).

[Union Label]

112. I'll just stay with XP pro

Its not the best but I've heard Vista is full of problems.

[Blue_In_AK]

113. I'm staying with XP for now...

If I have to switch later to be compatible with my co-worker, I guess I will, but I won't be happy about it.

[JackRiddler]

115. Who switched to Mac after 15 years in MicroHell

Last year? Me. And there actually two or three disadvantages to it (finding software for tool functions, less emphasis on hotkeys, fewer settings to influence). Otherwise, it's fantastic - much better interface, superior programs for graphics & video. Most important: crashes about 1/10 as often as MicroHell, never loses my work.

I encourage everyone to check out Mac, instead of falling for Vista with its new content management tyranny. (I don't know if a Mac update is going to do the same, of course.)