FINE!!!!

[barbiegeek]

[cali]

1. no, sorry. it's up to them to control information.

[ixion]

2. Yeah, let's help the fascists implement their dream

:eyes:

[cali]

6. to you the entire gov't from Obama on down is a fascist.

[ixion]

10. Nothing to do with Obama, in particular, however, yes

I do think the government is fascist both by nature and design.

I'm not sure if you've noticed, but the government has made it perfectly clear that they hold We, the People in contempt.

[havocmom]

16. Well, a lot of it seems geared toward serving large corporations over human citizens

so you might have a valid point.

That said, I KNOW that not all law enforcement works for the powers that screw. But, it is an informed citizenry that helps the good guys in law enforcement and justice from being overrun by the bad apples.

[ixion]

29. Yeah, there are certainly individual exceptions

but the organization as a whole most certainly exists to serve 'The Man'.

[havocmom]

63. Please lose 'the man' in favor of the more accurate 'the corporate giants'

Maybe it's the ol journalist gene in me, but accuracy with words matters ;)

[ixion]

68. yeah, I was being flip

I would be totally willing to re-phrase.

I was a journalist in my younger days, but wrote for Arts and Entertainment. :)

[cali]

20. gov't can't hold anything or anyone in contempt. It's not a sentient being.

[ixion]

22. A distinction in semantics only...

the spirit is certainly there.

[havocmom]

64. Semantics matter. Look at the damage that has been done to America by twisting terms

Wording matters. No society-wide critical thinking will survive a constant barrage of inaccurate language

[ixion]

67. fair enough... does that mean that

you can no longer refer to the 'spirit' of a nation, then? It would seem to me to be the same thing.

And defending my original statement as literal, rather than figurative, would be very do-able, in my opinion, in the same context. :)

Admittedly, I'm more ontological and epistemic than semantic. Pretty weird for an English/Sociology major, eh?

[havocmom]

69. Spirit works for me

but no muddling up the issue. Speaking clearly seems to invite less propaganda distortions. You know that :hi:

[sufrommich]

3. The reports are from the news. I think the secret's out. nt

[Brickbat]

4. Disagree. Once the word is out, it's out.

[seabeyond]

5. lets see, helicopters, surrounded by fbi, roadblocks, like a small army. i think the people know

that there are cops knocking on their door

[H2O Man]

Yes, however

it is a well-known fact that in such circumstances, right-winged terrorists will ALWAYS check DU to see what the heck is going on.

[Solly Mack]

27. lololololol

ZING!

[saltpoint]

28. I wish more would. They' might learn something!

:hi:

[trumad]

30. snarf...

Yep---you're feeling better.

[EFerrari]

34. LOL

:rofl:

[RagAss]

35. HAHAHHAA... This thread is over !!!!

[seabeyond]

37. another obvious point, lol lol, but wtf. lol. i hear ya. need confirmation fbi really

the ones knockin on door and flying above

[saltpoint]

7. It seems to me the FBI and other law enforcement folks have in fact

conducted business irrespective of media coverage for some years.

I don't see why this would constitute a different set of circumstances.

[brewens]

8. As if some unemployed drunk militia freaks are coming here to

what the FBI might be up to. Not likely.

[Solly Mack]

9. That doesn't even make sense. A news article posted on DU in no

way jeopardizes a raid or the safety of those conducting the raid.

If it's being reported in the news (articles), then the story is already out there. Public domain is just that - public.

[havocmom]

11. While I support legitimate law enforcement, and understand some of the perils,

ah, no. We do not just look away when things are happening in our 'hoods.

There are some bad guys working in law enforcement and I am happy there are so many ways to expose rogue behavior/abuse. That said, we also have an obligation to keep watch over the watchdogs, or more of the bad ones get further along in their agendas.

Sorry, I understand a bit about the importance of tactical reasons for secrecy, but when an operation is big, and noisy, it's just plain silly to think they are sneaking up on anybody and it is just some witnesses who are tipping off the suspects.

Cali is right; it's their job to control the info, and so far, they seem to be doing that. Witnesses to actual action are not telling the bad guys anything they haven't already noticed.

[Brickbat]

I'd like to pull out a phrase you used, because it's absolutely right and terribly important:

"Watch the watchdogs." I totally agree.

[Jackpine Radical]

36. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Which I think is Latin for "Always keep an eye on those muddafukkas."

[Brickbat]

43. OT: I'm a freelance writer and editor, and sometimes Mr. Brickbat finds an error in my recreational

writing. He loves to bellow, "WHO EDITS THE EDITORS?"

[rucky]

12. I think it's really important to follow them as they happen...

because in a day or two, we're going to get WIDELY different versions of what actually went down. If law enforcement doesn't want to be painted as the oppressive bullies that the militia folks paint them out to be, the best way to combat that is with transparency.

[havocmom]

24. Good point about how transparency helps the good guys and limits revisionist reframing

Very good point!

[liberal N proud]

13. Wait a couple of days?

:rofl:

It would be ancient history by then.

:rofl:

[etherealtruth]

14. according to the local media in Detroit the raids occurred last night

... and in the early morning hours. Supposedly all over now.

[safeinOhio]

15. Most news is coming from

local Detroit news stations. Channels 4 and 7.

[slackmaster]

17. What raids?

Does anyone have some links?

[Electric Monk]

21. linky with more links inside

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8036860

[EFerrari]

18. YOU help the FBI. They sure need it. I can't remember the last time

they got anything right. Maybe this will be The One. :)

[Jackpine Radical]

19. Nobody on DU would even know about it if it weren't already public.

Reminds me of Nixon's "secret" bombing of Cambodia. I guess he didn't want the Cambodians to know they were being bombed.

[EFerrari]

25. Maybe the FBI should have hired Baghdad Bob. I hear you can book him.

[saltpoint]

23. And also, everyone, please don't respond to or post on the NCAA Final Four

match-ups because the coaches' strategies would be disrupted were the games to be publicly discussed prior to the tournament's resolution.

[sufrommich]

26. lol! nt

[mmonk]

31. It's too late. Militia groups are posting all over the internet including You Tube.

[peacetalksforall]

32. I participated in two threads on this last night. Since it was 'breaking news' in the way

one of the threads was introduced, including a link to a local news station with video and reporting on what was known ----- I expected that it would be over soon and I searched for it on national tv sites.

How could we know that we were to be quiet?

Quiet could be a ploy. We have come out of 11 years of not trusting our leaders, military, media, appointees, contractors. We still don't know if we can trust anyone in that group.

What are we supposed to do. The entire theme in threads like this - is to share what people know and the very same scenario of silencing us could be for horrible reasons.

I think of all the victims of the WTC and Pentagon who were silenced.

It is not clear. It's all about trust.

There are a few of us who trust Homeland Security - thieves of our privacy, advocates of duct tape. This is a very complicated coutnry - what with the BFEE and the banking/federal reserive kingpins and death contractors and the privatization congresspeople. What per cent of lobbyists do we trust? We couldn't trust that Bethesda was running right. Has torture really stopped in the secret prisons that no on talks about?

This is all being done to us. People want to trust.

I have a feeling of trust in this event, whatever it is.

I think your request/suggestion to us is extremely complicated. There could be a time when we can only trust a certain percent of us - as has happened to many people in many countries. We don't march together anymore.

Who are we supposed to trust? The FBI that assissted in the set up against Clinton in Arkansas and Washington? The CIA regime change experts?

Who are the take-out artists and who is to be trusted?

[rug]

33. Where's my hole?

[rocktivity]

38. Well, that's the occupational hazard of conducting raids

Non-FBI personnel and local media tend to notice.


rocktivity

[saltpoint]

39. Elvis has left the building.

But don't report it to the media.

[MineralMan]

40. That's just silly. You can listen to police scanners on the web.

Once raids like this begin, there is no keeping it quiet. Besides, none of the bad guys are reading DU this morning, I can promise you. They have their own information outlets.

[Brickbat]

41. Aw, here.

[barbiegeek]

53. Do you have a chocolate one?

[saltpoint]

54. Over to the Christian militia trailer park all they got is WHITE cupcakes.

[seabeyond]

55. i am glad to see you have a sense of humor

and welcome to du

felt a little guilty getting a chuckle.... from a newbie. wanted to play, but didnt want to offend. so hard to do

[Brickbat]

62. Nom nom nom!

[Solly Mack]

42. Well, that was anticlimactic.

[seabeyond]

44. ah, well, this was the thread i shared with hubby when he came into kitchen just now

for a chuckle. though when looking for thread, i couldnt find. i didnt understand why du disappeared the thread

until i realized edited to

fine

bah hahahah

[H2O Man]

47. I was very concerned

when I couldn't find it. I considered making a "missing thread report" to the federal authorities, though I was NOT going to discuss it on DU.

[seabeyond]

50. bah hahaha. you are in a gigglin mood. felt a bet of twilight zone myself. nt

[scarletwoman]

61. You're in "fine" form this morning, Waterman!

So nice to have you lighting up this lovely day! :hug:

sw

[Solly Mack]

48. lolol!

[Obamanaut]

45. Too late! I read the whole thread before your edit. nt

[slackmaster]

46. Great.

K&R for epic poutrage!

:kick:

[scarletwoman]

59. Be nice. She graciously accepted the offer of a cupcake.

[IDemo]

49. IjustasecondBTL

[WillyT]

51. Ok...

diaphanous, ethereal, exquisite, filmy, fine-drawn, fine-grained, fine-spun, flimsy, fragile, gauzy, gossamer, gossamery, granular, impalpable, light, lightweight, little, loose, minute, porous, powdered, powdery, pulverized, quality, slender, small, thin, threadlike, transparent, accomplished, aces, admirable, attractive, beautiful, capital, choice, cool*, crack*, dandy*, elegant, enjoyable, exceptional, expensive, exquisite, fashionable, first-class, first-rate, first-string, five-star, gilt-edged, gnarly, good-looking, great, handsome, lovely, magnificent, mean, neat*, not too shabby, ornate, outstanding, pleasant, rare, refined, select, showy, skillful, smart, solid, splendid, striking, subtle, superior, supreme, top, top-notch, unreal*, well-made, wicked*, abstruse, acute, clear, critical, cryptic, delicate, distinct, enigmatic, esoteric, fastidious, fine-spun, hairline, hairsplitting, intelligent, keen, minute, nice, obscure, petty, precise, pure, quick, recondite, refined, sensitive, sharp, sterling, strict, subtle, tasteful, tenuous, trifling, unadulterated, unpolluted



:shrug:

[seabeyond]

52. i didnt see... stompin foot, pouty mouth in all that. nt

[hayu_lol]

56. One thread just came up calling the militia...

a christian militia.

If you are in the area where these raids are taking place...watch out for the dinosaur cavalry.(chuckle)

[scarletwoman]

60. "the dinosaur cavalry"!!! *shudder*

Hope they don't have T-Rexes! :scared:

[Warren Stupidity]

72. I spent a month in Wellington NZ. The weather report was always 'foine'

even when the rain was horizontal.

[scarletwoman]

57. Look, there's nothing wrong with your desire to protect the safety of the officers

engaged in these raids. However, logic, reason and facts must trump emotion in this case. Nothing being posted on DU has any effect whatsoever on the success of the current operations.

[rucky]

58. Message control has to be part of the law enforcement tactical plan

these days. I understand your point, and when I was in the media, we would embargo some stories that would affect the outcome of a raid. But even though that was just 10 years ago, so much has changed since then. Journalists that follow the "Prime Directive" don't really exist anymore - or they're completely overshadowed by the scores of MSM and "citizen-journalists" fighting to use the media to influence outcomes & no real reporting get done anymore.

[liberalmuse]

65. Oh my god.

This is hilarious. I don't know what the OP was, but I suspect it was something only a Freeper could have shat.

[havocmom]

66. Started out with: "STOP POSTING ON RAID..."

and went on from there to show a lack of understanding of how big law enforcement operations go down. Arguing, after the bust went full swing with the heavy equipment and arrests already made, that we shouldn't discuss it as it gives help to the bad guys.

[Occulus]

70. AND it was a drive-by post, AND the OP has their profile blocked.

Hmmmmm.

:think:

[seabeyond]

71. hmmmm. lol. nt

[saltpoint]

73. On the bright side, though, at our house we were inspired to

bake a batch of cupcakes.

[uppityperson]

75. Thanks havocmom, it reads rather...oddly

[blondeatlast]

76. Thanks. Without the OP, it was quite a witty thread.

Now that I know what the OP was about, it still is.

I love us! :rofl:

[Barack_America]

74. Was this about raids or roids?

[havocmom]

78. Raids, We were bad and endangered law enforcement operations by posting about it

Of course, by the time things got posted, it was pretty much a done deal. And there was no hiding all the vehicles/helicopters involved.

[Hekate]

77. ODD!!!! Fortunately, you can always count on DUers to pick up the slack in a mystery post. ...

:eyes: