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LiberalLoner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 02:28 PM
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Are we becoming more racist as a nation, or less?
I used to think that with each new generation, we would become less and less racist. I had hope for the future.

But then I've been reading that participation in racist hate groups is way up, and in conversations with people, they've said that people are teaching their children to be more hateful, that there is an upswing in teaching racism to children.

So I'm not sure which direction we are going in as a nation. I don't know if it just seems like we are becoming more racist because of the backlash against President Obama, or if we really are becoming more racist as the economy sours and people look more and more for scapegoats.

Just wondering what all of you think.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 02:31 PM
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1. I think the racists are getting more vocal
Edited on Tue Mar-30-10 02:32 PM by DrDan
Those loud town meetings of the past summer seem to have given a loud voice to some of the most racist among us.

I really don't think racisim is getting worse - but certainly not getting any better either.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 03:43 PM
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19. Yep. Fewer racists, more horsepower to the remaining ones. (nt)
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 02:31 PM
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2. We are becoming less bigoted, but that makes the bigots scream louder.
So it seems like there is more of them.

They are feeling insecure, because it is becoming apparent that most don't secretly feel the way they do. That makes them louder and more shrill.

YMMV
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 02:32 PM
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3. +1
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 02:36 PM
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8. +1000
Yep, that's it. And as they feel their tenuous grasp on a fictional land of white people slip away, they are going to scream even more. But they're dying off.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 03:54 PM
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20. How do you figure that? The black community was targeted
for those impossible mortgages just as those payday loan outfits locate themselves in those neighborhoods. Our schools are being resegregated. The first tool of election frauds is to spoil black ballots or suppress the black vote, witness Florida and Ohio.

Maybe on the surface, now Palin has to say "Obama is not like us" and wink but the deep structure of racism in this country hasn't changed very much as far as I can tell.
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 04:34 PM
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25. Personally, I think it is more about a war against the working class
than it is about ethnicity.

It happens that because of institutionalized and historical bigotry, there is a disproportionate number of non-white Americans in the working class and those that are below the poverty line.

Institutionalized bigotry still exists, but I think it is focused more on the "have-nots" than it is focused on skin color.

These are my non-scientific observations, and like I said, YMMV.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 09:12 PM
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26. I go back and forth on this but you don't see Armageddon Spice
dog whistling about poor people. What a loathsome human being she is.
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GrantDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 09:44 PM
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28. +1
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LiberalLoner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 02:33 PM
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4. Thank you for the replies! I hope there will be fewer racists in time.
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my2sense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 02:34 PM
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5. People are more comfortable expressing their
racist feelings. It's always been there, right under the surface.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 02:35 PM
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6. I think the racism is just more out in the open
...than it was since the social revolution of the sixties. I really don't think there are more racists. I think there are just more of them willing to declare it. Hiding one's bigotry has become a kind of twisted norm. You can have a person spout dog-whistle platitudes and that person will turn around and flat-out swear they are not racist.
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Caliman73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 02:35 PM
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7. It is cyclical
Racism is a way of life for some people. We are all marred by the history of racism, which is not new even to America. We were founded by racists, racism took on an American flavor, and it continues. Even the targets of racism seem to believe the hype to a certain degree. Racism is often exacerbated by insecurities. At a time where our economic future is not looking good and the demographics of the nation are changing, the atmosphere is ripe for a surge in the expression of racism. I don't think that there are numerically more racists in this country relative to the numbers in the past. I think it is just that we are hearing from them more loudly than in prior years. They think their way of life is threatened. They are scared.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 02:39 PM
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9. yes... both racist and sexist and become more mainstreamed and accepted.
i think overall we are becoming an uglier and more unaccepting people...
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 02:41 PM
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10. Less racist but the racists are closing ranks, getting bolder and louder than recent years.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 02:42 PM
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11. Neither, the only color that matters now in the Corporate USA is mean GREEN!
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el_bryanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 02:45 PM
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12. I think part of it is that the right wing percieves that they will be accused of racism either way
They beleive that if they say "We need to cut off funding for low income housing" they will be accused of racism no matter what their rationale is. So in for a penny in for a pound. At least with some of them.

Of course there are still plenty who take great pains to fend off accusations of racism - and Steele, despite being kind of a dip, is the RNC Chairman at least partially because of that.

Bryant
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 02:51 PM
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13. Less.
Cutting out the cancer will produce some screams.

Note: Still pretty(very, extremely, outrageously) weak for year 245.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 02:57 PM
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14. I think there are fewer racists, but the ones that are left are making more noise
than in recent years.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 02:59 PM
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15. Agreed.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 04:12 PM
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22. And give way too much airtime and credibility on Cable News
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 03:34 PM
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16. We have progressed from enslaving blacks to segregating blacks to electing a black president
Edited on Tue Mar-30-10 03:35 PM by Nye Bevan
so of course we are becoming less racist. Sometimes people lose sight of the big picture.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 03:42 PM
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18. Um, we have progressed from slavery to imprisonment.
What a leap.

That's the big picture. There are about the same number of black children living in poverty today as there were when King was speaking.

We now have a black president who says he's the president of "all Americans" and who told the CBC that the stimulus would help the black community, which it hasn't.

We can do better. This isn't really progress, it's just displacement.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 03:39 PM
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17. Imo, it depends how you think of racism.
I think of it as mostly a means of economic control (that gets fanned culturally) so, the economic interests at work have no problem using racism to get what they want. It's not going to hurt them.

Don't know if you're interested but I watched Tavis Smiley's "Black Agenda" forum last night. This is what some black leaders are saying about this moment. It's hours long but I found it well worth the time.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/292635-7
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 03:58 PM
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21. less as they die off...
nt
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 04:16 PM
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23. I think markedly less. However serious economic distress aggravates
--such racism as is retained, and also religious and other differences.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 04:33 PM
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24. There will always be racism in human societies.
But against who and what level will change constantly.
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mzclinton05 Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 09:39 PM
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27. Race
I completely agree with you that racism has increased since obama was elected, and here's my theory:
The right wing nut groups are out there and they are mainly targeting obama's race. I'm telling you right now it is getting scary out there and if something is not done, there's gonna be a huge race riot. I thought we were past racism in america but apparently these people hate to see a black president in the white house.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 09:50 PM
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29. Nothing has changed. It's just that the racists now have something to crow about. n/t
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