A Kohler woman said her Toyota Camry accelerated into a wall, after she had the recommended repairs

[Omaha Steve]

http://www.piercecountyherald.com/event/article/id/25316/

Published March 31 2010

A Sheboygan County woman said her Toyota Camry suddenly accelerated before she crashed into a wall and got hurt – and that was after it had the repairs recommended by Toyota in its recent recall.

Seventy-six-year-old Myrna Marseilles of Kohler was parking her 2009 Camry into a stall at the Sheboygan Falls Y-M-C-A on Monday. She said her foot was on the brake when the vehicle suddenly lunged forward into the wall, and the surge made what she called an “awful roar.”

She also said a witness can verify that her brake lights were on. Marseilles also said the Camry’s air bag failed to deploy when the car hit the wall – and she received a fractured sternum as a result. Police Chief Steve Riffel said the eye-witness accounts seemed to confirm that the car accelerated on its own. Toyota says it’s investigating.

Company official Brian Lyons said there were fewer than 110 reports nationwide of vehicles suddenly accelerating after getting the repairs in the recalls. He said about 900-thousand cars had been fixed so far.


REPEAT: She also said a witness can verify that her brake lights were on.

[xultar]

1. The reply to this thread is to my honey.

Hey how you doin? PM me so we can chat later.

[Lance_Boyle]

2. Elderly driver hits wall, blames car.

This is not an unusual occurrence.

[Kalyke]

3. DU Toytoy worshiper makes excuses, blames plot by American manufacturing.

Unfortunately, this is not an unusual occurrence, either.

[Cronus Protagonist]

4. Teh age of the driver correlates to the likliehood of this "runaway" problem

Which makes me wonder if it's just the closeness of the pedals to each other and also in relation to the seat that makes them think they're pressing the brake when really they're accelerating.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-age-of-toyota-drivers-2010-3

Does Prius Sudden Acceleration Syndrome (PSAD) discriminate against the young?

As Theodore Frank at the Washington Examiner points out, here are the reported ages of all 24 of the fatal Toyota (TM) cases:

60, 61, 63, 66, 68, 71, 72, 72, 77, 79, 83, 85, 89

Could it be that Toyota's PR crisis is actually a crisis of older folks improperly slamming on the pedals, and not some mysterious manufacturing glitch?

[pansypoo53219]

6. it is true the size of the new pedal is RIDICULOUS.

sigh, remembering my 70's car in the 80's. BIG steering wheel, BIG pedals.
BUT, my mom had a 90's camry and in IDLE accelerated and i never got it to stop. toyota doesn't want to fix electronics. it's a puter issue. now i REALLY want my 73' olds back. NO PUTER! real pedals and steering wheel AND A FUCKING COUCH!!! I WANT MY COUCH BACK!

[divideandconquer]

7. Other carmakers in the last few years aren't having the problems the great Toyota has

Old people seem to have less problems driving other cars, is another way of looking at it. QUIT BLAMING THE VICTIMS, WHO ARE ACTUAL PEOPLE NOT A RUTHLESS CORPORATION!

[Lance_Boyle]

8. Any evidence to back up that claim, that there are fewer elderly-driver

accidents in other cars? I'd expect a bunch in Buicks, Caddies and the other land-yacht type cars usually preferred by older drivers.

[Cronus Protagonist]

9. I didn't blame the victims.

And quit shouting. It just lets everyone see how poorly you comprehend when you could just sit quiet and no one would know that.

I wondered (not blamed) if the pedal size, positioning and such like in relation to the seat might be the problem. A car design is not a person, nor is it the victim.

[CanonRay]

11. What about the State Trooper in California?

I doubt he was 68!

[Cronus Protagonist]

12. Link?

By the way, the list of ages was not compiled by me. It was published by a somewhat reputable source. Still, if there is someone young, let it be known. Show us a link.

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. You mean you MISSED That story

here you go

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/CHP-Officer-Family-Killed-in-Crash-56629472.htmlhttp://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/CHP-Officer-Family-Killed-in-Crash-56629472.html

By the way It was THIS STORY that killed the driver meme from Toyota and actually FORCED them to start doing SOMETHING.

They tried BLAMING the driver, and a few here did the same, until it came out that HE WAS A TRAINED EMERGENCY VEHICLE OPERATOR.

Try that again.

[Cronus Protagonist]

25. The page you were looking for does not exist

Bad link. And again, I did not blame the driver. I wondered if the design of the vehicle is at fault.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. Weird since I have that page open

CHP Officer, Family Killed in Crash
A 911 call made minutes before the accident said the car's accelerator was stuck
By RORY DEVINE, MARI PAYTON and R. STICKNEY
Updated 11:45 AM PDT, Tue, Sep 1, 2009

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Four people died Friday when a Lexus sedan lost control on the highway, crashed near Mission Gorge Road in Santee and burst into flames.

The victims include veteran CHP officer Mark Saylor, 45, his wife Cleofe Lastrella Saylor, 45, his brother-in-law Chris Lastrella,38, and his daughter Mahala, 13.

CHP investigators said they received a 911 call before 7 p.m. August 28 Cleofe Saylor saying their car’s accelerator was stuck.

Witnesses reported seeing a Lexus heading northbound on 125 weaving through traffic at a high rate of speed. CHP officials said the driver tried to make a left turn when the freeway ended at Mission Gorge Road, but he was going too fast and struck a Ford Explorer.

Source: CHP Officer, Family Killed in Crash | NBC San Diego

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/CHP-Officer-Family-Killed-in-Crash-56629472.html

And of course the usual google search will work for you

chp officer dies in toyota crash

[Walk away]

5. My neighbor drove through her garage door and into her swimming pool.

She was in a Caddie and was fine. Six months ago my dad drove his Honda Accord into a wall. When I lived in Florida this happened weekly.

I am not saying that this isn't happening to Toyotas but the elderly/acceleration problem happens regularly. It sort of muddies the waters.

[Cronus Protagonist]

10. I remember the whole Audi thing too

No car manufacturer has zero problems with elderly drivers.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. Because we know

toyota vehicles are PURRRFEEECTTT.

Why do you think now NASA and the National Academy have been invited to help find out what the hell is going on?

Oh and by Toyota NO LESS.

[Omaha Steve]

13. REPEAT: She also said a witness can verify that her brake lights were on.

How did several people miss this?

[Lance_Boyle]

14. Didn't miss it. She could have been left-foot braking. It's a bad habit

encouraged by the presence of a slushbox and the absence of a clutch pedal.

[snooper2]

15. Mother-in-law does that...she is 57...

Her husband says she didn't do that when they were younger...

11:00, 1:00 and a foot on both pedals

[Omaha Steve]

16. So why don't we see these much more often in non-Toyota cars too?

If this single argument is your case for Toyota?

[Lance_Boyle]

17. elderly drivers going out of control happens ALL THE TIME in every kind of car

driven by elderly people. I'm betting *WAY* more in Buick and Cadillac land-yachts than in Toyota MR2s or Bimmer 3-series.

[Omaha Steve]

21. Oh come on

Lets see a link about other makers cars (with or without elderly drivers with unintended acceleration with the brakes on).

I'm sure you won't find the over 50 that Toyota has had in the last month.

[Lance_Boyle]

23. This discussion is about elderly drivers and control problems, not your vendetta against

Toyota.

Are you really trying to dispute that elderly drivers losing control of their cars (Toyota or otherwise) is a frequent occurrence? Because reality strongly disagrees with you if so.

[Omaha Steve]

28. No I'm asking about unintended acceleration

Toyota has over 50 (for what ever reason) in 6 weeks. Do all other makes combined have that many in 6 weeks?

Something doesn't add up with your math.

[snooper2]

27. not my arguement...just that when you get old things don't work as well

you don't react as fast, you don't have the same leg muscles, vision...

Toyota has some kind of fucked up bug that's in all honesty probably a bitch to troubleshoot. I know electronics and have spent a lot of time on some weird shit in my lifetime. And then there are other factors "I.E. the human" in play as well and there you go. About 15 years ago I was working with a customer who's PRI would go down a couple times each day. I think it was the tenth visit when I figured out by chance it only went down when his receptionist came in his office where the channel bank was installed. She was stepping on a steel threshold where I found the dumbass Bell tech had run the circuit :rofl:


I think we see more cases with older folks in Toyota because of the simple fact cars these days aren't designed like they used to be. You put Grandma in a 1970 4-Door Nova with 164hp and she's not going to be able to do much damage. Now you have Grandma in a new Lexus ES300 with 272hp and 250 pound of torque....with a delayed reaction time.

[Omaha Steve]

29. We have reached common ground

But there are other model cars with similar build and specs that older drivers don't seem to have near as many troubles with.

[Pavulon]

30. Heel toe, hard to master...(nt)

[pedropalin2012]

18. toyota

That's horrible! Hope she is alright

[pedropalin2012]

19. toyota

That's horrible! Hope she is alright

[arikara]

24. An elderly man accelerated into my car

in a parking lot. Then he put it in reverse and accelerated into another vehicle, also narrowly missing a pedestrian. He damaged 4 vehicles in his little demo derby and mine was the worst. He was devastated and apparently never drove again. I felt quite sorry for the old gent and was thankful nobody was hurt.

No Toyotas were involved, he was in a Ford.

[hayu_lol]

32. To be fair and realistic...

check out the stats on accidents with both teen and older drivers. Guess which stats are the worst? Mind you, them teens have f a s t reaction times.

[Romulox]

31. I have never seen so many logical contortions in the defense of corporation in my life.

I'd love to see a psychologist's write up on the cognitive dissonance that's in play here. My guess is that a lot of the folks up thread blame the driver's age are themselves gray-hairs who drive Toyotas! :hi:

[spoony]

33. I have.

Last Toyota thread. And the one before that. And the one before...

[Kalyke]

34. I'm not a psychologist, nor did I sleep in a Holiday Inn last night...

yet... something is telling me you're correct.

I'm a Ford girl. And, yet, when their SUVs were blowing tires, I didn't defend them this much!

Of course, I didn't drive an SUV, but still....!!

[xynthee]

35. Well, she IS a 76-year-old woman, so everything she says about this "incident" is suspect

:sarcasm:

The recent epidemic of mistaking the gas for the brake and/or putting it into drive instead of park is really interesting, don't you think? How many times does this have to occur for people to consider the possibility that maybe, just MAYBE, it's NOT just a bunch of bad drivers who've suddenly come out of nowhere?! Even Occam's Razor would say the so-called bad driver phenomenon is NOT the simplest explanation. And ironically, the usual fervent proponents of Occam's Razor seem to be at the forefront of the blame-the-stupid-drivers movement. WTF?

Hmmmm.... Odd.