The New ipad

[erpowers]

What do DUer think about the new Apple ipad? I am not that impressed. The only thing I really think would be great to use if for is playing video games. It seems to me like it would be fun to play driving games in which one would drive the car by moving the ipad from side to side. The only other thing that seems cool to me is the ability to read books on the ipad. Other than that it is not that impressive.

[lazarus]

1. my problem with reading books on the iPad

is that it's backlit. I love my Kindle, the screen of which looks just like a book, using e-ink. Backlit screens are tough to stare at continuously.

Plus, it only has a ten hour battery life, and can't do Flash, so no Hulu and other sites. Which is fine for Apple, since they want you to buy all your TV shows from the iTunes store.

[Touchdown]

4. The reviewers got 12 hours on it.

and Hulu is coming for the iPad. CBS and ABC have iPad ready sites. Flash is not touch compatible... it's mouse click only. Flash 10 will be, but it isn't ready yet.

And Apple doesn't care where you get your TV shows. I get them off of my DVDs and drag them into iTunes for free.

[hlthe2b]

9. Question, Touchdown

So, if Flash 10 will be touch compatible, is it a given that it will work with this version of the IPAD when introduced?

[Touchdown]

16. Probably not. Apple and Google are pushing HTML 5

as an alternative to Flash. Most flash driven websites do see the impact of a product like this, and are busy making flash-less versions of their sites.

Of Adobe's 10 most popular websites that use Flash, the iPhone (which doesn't use Flash either) could access all but 2 of them. Hulu (which has it's own iPad app) and Farmville (which is a mouse click game, and not compatible with touch screens anyway).

You'd have to ask someone more technical about te differences between HTML5 and Flash. I'm just told that Flash is a process hog, and HTML5 is closer to the core code.

[laconicsax]

21. There is no Hulu app.

Hulu has supposedly been developing an iPhone/iPod Touch app for over a year with 'coming soon' on each mention. Now with the iPad, they're supposedly working on a new subscription-based iPad app, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to come out.

[Touchdown]

29. Vaporware huh?

Well, so much for that! Murdoch again.

[lxlxlxl]

34. flash is a huge cpu hog, security risk, and source of crashes

its the most patched software out there, and horribly unreliable. html5 is the way to go, and although i wont buy an ipad, i think ditching flash is a good thing

[blogslut]

59. Can you explain that to me?

Why FLASH is a CPU hog? I don't understand that. When it comes to downloading FLASH animations, the format pre-loads and the file size is crazy small in comparison to video formats. Why would it be a resource hog? I mean, I understand FLASH is vector-based but does rendering vector-based imagery somehow tax the processor more than say, a wmv file?

[lxlxlxl]

126. could be a number of things, your right in principle

but google flash video cpu and the problems are pretty obvious, but since its hiding behind the browser most people blame that first.

the old school flash animations / ads were just simple vectors, but i think its much different now. im not an expert on flash video and AJAX but that's where i have run into problems, especially on older cpus that could handle local apps but not say local apps + web 2.0 or flash streaming...

its sort of a patchwork framework anyway that just sort of took off and adobe has done well with it. never a web 'standard' in the true sense of the word.

i say good riddens myself. any software that demands that much patching month to month means its not working.

[blogslut]

136. Yeah, but it's so clean and pretty

Nothing looks better than FLASH, IMHO. However, I use it mostly for drawing. Best, easiest Vector image creation tool in the world.

[backscatter712]

187. Depends on the app, but yes, a lot of Flash apps are piggish.

And Flash itself is buggy, doesn't always take full advantage of things like GPU acceleration, and does hog a lot of memory and bandwidth. Some things, like drawing lines and polygons, which could be done quickly and efficiently by passing instructions to the GPU instead of soft-rendering in the CPU, just aren't done in Flash - it picks the most compatible, yet most inefficient way to do things.

My impression is that it could be reimplemented/refactored in a far more efficient way, but Adobe doesn't feel like spending the time to do it.

[ShamelessHussy]

54. Apple Taunts Flash With List of ‘iPad Ready’ Websites - HTML5 + CSS3 is a FLASH Killer, imho

http://www.webmonkey.com/2010/04/apple-taunts-flash-with-list-of-ipad-ready-websites/

BTW: I recently put online a tool that lets you make professional looking buttons that uses only CSS3 (no images or plugins required)
http://dvia.com/buttonMaker
(only modern browser or smart phones supported - sorry IE users, but MS is working on that e.g. IE 9 out later this year)

just to give you a tiny idea of what css3 brings to the table =)

[ShamelessHussy]

56. Are browsers Quake-ing in their boots? (HTML5)

Here is a 3D game (Quake 2) done all in HTML5/CSS3/JavaScript
http://ajaxian.com/archives/gwt-quake

very impressive =)

now is a GREAT time to be in the web business!

[lazarus]

12. I get three weeks on my Kindle

10 or 12, it's not much.

And Apple is definitely working out deals to sell subscriptions to TV shows.

[Touchdown]

24. I guess I should have specified how they got 12 hours.

Back to back feature film watching, along with wi/fi constantly on, fetching e-mail always on, and screen brightness at full. 12 hours for that.
Since the Kindle doesn't do movies, I guess the comparison may not be apt.

And yes, they are trying to work out a $1 an episode price for TV shows... that's not the reason they don't want Flash on their system. I really see this as a feud between Apple and Adobe. Flash has always been buggy on Safari, and worked better on Windows. I'm not a bigger fan of either company, as a photographer, I appreciate both of these companies. Without either and their accomplishments, digital photography would be much harder to do.

[Moochy]

118. Flash on windows is way better than other platforms

it does not freeze or hog system resources nearly as much as it does on my Linux desktop and coworker's Macs running OSX .

I think that it's mostly a matter of Adobe focusing on the largest slice of their install base it seems.

I saw a website recently that profiled the substantial improvements of the windows flash runtime,in terms of memory use, size and time in some benchmarks, release by release after adobe bought macromedia. I don't believe they made the same number of improvements on the other platform's flash players.

Also, frankly I've never felt that the Mac multitasked very well, honestly the UI always seems subject to random beach ball spinners, and I think that flash probably gets blamed for alot of the spinners on safari flash websites.

I'm sure if I were to spend $4000 on a desktop I could get a mac with flash that doesn't have waiting spinners.

[HuckleB]

132. No wonder I don't like Flash.

[Moochy]

114. "CBS and ABC have iPad ready sites."

Yes, they were looking good using the emulators this week, I got to see some of the TV show sites today on one of the reviewer iPads and the video player integration is pretty slick.

[Touchdown]

116. ABC's app is already up in the app store.

It's on the front page.

I'm on page 6 and there's still no end to them... Has to be more than a thousand apps for this thing Tomorrow... Many of them are discounted for pre-buy Today only.

Pretty limited market, but here's an e-reading app that Kindle can't do...

[Moochy]

117. Nice I have not seen any of the apps yet, except a cool Brushes demo

The increased resolution is nice, I can see that being very helpful to app developers who have been stuck in the iphone display size for 2 years.

[Touchdown]

121. You have iTunes? They're all up now. Just go to app store.

Just click on the iPad button and they all come up! Top Ten has Nat Geographic World Atlas in paid apps. Looks like $3 to $25.

Keynote
Pages
Numbers
Bento
Weather HD
Scrabble
Flight Control HD
Plants vs. Zombies
Sketchbook Pro
MLB at bat 2010


Free Apps...

iBooks
Netflix
ABC Player
USA Today
Wall St Journal
NPR
Shazam
Twitterific
ebay for iPad

really too much to list.

[MicaelS]

22. So tell me about your Kindle.....

Anything you dislike about it? Anything you would change?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

50. I played with big sis's kindle, and just played with an iPad

There is no comparison. I now look at Amazon's toy as a . . . . toy.

The iPad is simply great. I got my order in before they ran out. Two more weeks, and I will have it. (with wifi)

[Delphinus]

74. Don't we pay a small fortune for wifi?

I've never had it - just have my home computer hooked up to cable. I watched the iPad commercial and really thought it would be neat to have one - sit out in my backyard, read the web, but a friend of mine told me it was outrageously expensive. And I don't have a lot of discretionary funds.

But, if it was just a wireless router, maybe an iPad would be a good thing for my Mom.

[Tesha]

88. If you already have broadband Internet at your house, ...

...then all you need to create a WiFi "bubble" is
a wireless router. They're quite inexpensive (and
our DSL modem even came with that capability
in-built).

Tesha

[AnnInLa]

105. Sit in backyard??

I had to smile at that, because that's exactly why I bought a router (not expensive), a little netbook computer (under $300). My "internet bill" which is part of my cable bill, is no different with a wireless added than it was with just my desktop connected by cable. Now I sit out in the backyard with my little computer and surf, tweet, play games, etc. When I get tired of backyard, just come in to my desktop. I love it!

[lazarus]

63. nothing, really

it does exactly what I want it to do: it enables me to read books and magazines easily and conveniently. It's easy to navigate, hella easy to download, great battery life. I've been very pleased with it.

I especially like the battery life. If I had to recharge it every night, I don't know that I would have bothered getting one. That short battery life is one of many reasons I'm not getting an iPad.

My laptop is better for watching videos/playing games/entering data, and my Kindle is better for reading books, and my iPod is more convenient for listening to music.

Feature creep is a very real problem with technology. When you try to make a device that does everything, it won't do any of it as well as something else already does.

[Tesha]

69. Please help me understand this recharging thing.

Every day, I use my iPhone and I use it a lot.

Every night when I retire for the night, I set my
iPhone down in its charging dock.

Every morning, it's fully charged and ready for
another busy day.

What advantage would I have if it only needed to
be charged every few days? Without the habit of
charging it daily, I'd need to actually think, each
evening, of whether the charge level were high
enough to make it through the next day or it needs
to (finally) be charged.

Where's the advantage in that mode of operation
compared to simply recharging every night while I
sleep?

Tesha

[ProdigalJunkMail]

71. I would love to not have to recharge a phone or laptop

while I am on the road...just more junk I have to haul around...

sP

[Tesha]

84. But a Kindle isn't a phone or a laptop.

And no smartphone or superphone lasts
very long without charging (although
"fearurephones" do).

Tesha

[Toasterlad]

80. That's Great If You Remember To Charge It Every Night.

Not everyone does.

[Tesha]

85. It's a lot easier to remember to charge it evey night...

...than every two weeks. I set the phone down
in the same place every night and that "place"
is the charging dock.

Tesha

[Toasterlad]

87. Everybody Thinks Differently.

Some people (like me) don't think to charge their devices until they see that the battery indicator is very low.

[Statistical]

70. I love my kindle but there are a couple things I would change.

I wish it had a touchscreen. Removing the keyboard for on screen keyboard, would allow you to eliminate the bezel. The only other thing I would change would be the price. Really for mass adoption the Kindle should be $99 for small one and $199 for DX.

There is no comparison between ipad and kindle. It is like comparing an oven to dishwasher. They are designed for different functions.

ipad is more like a netbook tablet. So comparison between ipad and netbooks are more applicable. Reading a book on ipad is going to suck just as much as reading a book on any computer.

[mainer]

78. LONG battery life (weeks). Easy viewing. But soooo slow.

I hate how long it takes to turn a page, or to type in book notes.

Much lighter than an iPad, so for book reading purposes, the Kindle is still better.

[Toasterlad]

79. I Like the Kindle, But I DO Wish It Had a Backlit OPTION.

It would be nice to be able to read it at night in bed without turning on a light.

[Touchdown]

2. 5 Papers reviewed it today.

They all agreed that it has a very fast processor, but they didn't like that you cannot read it in direct sunlight... like it was ever supposed to? :wtf:

Yeah! The new Chevy Camaro is a good car, but it doesn't drive vertically down the Grand Canyon walls, so don't waste your money!

[ProdigalJunkMail]

3. yeah cause cars are supposed to go up and down canyon walls

and computing devices should be able to run flash...oh wait...


sP

[Touchdown]

7. Did I say anything about Flash, or was it about computing in direct sunlight?

Thought so.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

10. no but you pulled out something impossible for any car

and then tried to compare it with something easily done by some other devices...so I decided to take what you did and flip it around a little...

OnEdit : I knew you would bring up flash and indeed you did in about three seconds...flash doesn't care about touch interfaces...you just have to do a little programming to compensate...

sP

[Touchdown]

13. To compare it to an impossible feat for a glass covered LCD screen.

Easily done? Aside from e-ink, which is not available on any other computer/netbook/touchpad/tablet or multi purpose device, what other devices are you talking about?

[ProdigalJunkMail]

15. nevermind...the iPad is perfect and Apple doesn't ever screw up

there...no you can go about being smug about Apple products because you will never believe that it could have been better...

sP

[Touchdown]

17. I didn't say anything like that.

Try your reverse ad-homs on someone else.

I thought the journalists were being idiotic in this respect, since this sunlight thing is not a standard they ever applied to any other computing device.

e-readers I'll take the com[parison, and is valid. This is not just an e-reader, though. It has many other purposes, and needs a more versatile screen than an e-reader does.

[4lbs]

6. The Kindle can be read in direct sunlight. Actual books too.

Anything that tries to be an electronic replacement for paper and books needs to be easily readable anywhere books can.

That means direct sunlight, under a table lamp (incandescent or flourescent), with a flashlight, etc.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

28. Yeah, what kind of moron would want to read in sunlight?

[Touchdown]

31. What moron wants to read in the bathtub?

None of these work submerged! major fail.:sarcasm:

[Statistical]

72. Kindle works as well as a book in the bathtub.

If you put either under water they will fail.

[Touchdown]

109. No, not really. A book can dry out.

It'll smell musty, and it will be forever open with wavy pages, but it will still tell stories.

My point is that these reviewers knew that the iPad had a glass covered LCD screen since the January debut. They used that against e-ink displays in their speculative articles before they got ahold of one. They knew it was never going to look good in direct sunlight. They also knew that the iPad is not a single purpose device, like an e-reader. So why would this even be a criticism of the iPad, when no other tablet computer, or netbook can be used in direct sunlight, much less a smart phone? Why compare it with ONLY devices with e-ink screens and not anything else with a comparable monitor? ... Because they're looking for something to diss.

[seaglass]

30. Because reading anywhere - in direct sunlight is a benefit of an ereader

like Kindle or Nook with an e-ink display. I guess if they weren't touting the ebook app as a major selling point, it wouldn't be such a big deal that you can't use it to read outside.

[Touchdown]

36. Like in the bathtub... possible accidental immersion

A Kindle will survive that, right?

This isn't just an e-reader. It needs a more versatile screen to be able to perform what it does do. And no, I don't think the e-reader app is the most important feature of this thing.

[seaglass]

37. No, will an iPad? I suppose it's hard for any electronic device to be

used safely in a bathtub. Course I don't even like getting paper books wet. :-)

I know it's not just an e-reader and it's a cool looking device I'm just a little cranky about the ereader app because of the impact on ebook prices.

[Touchdown]

38. I'd kind of blame that on the publishers

It was bound to happen eventually. If not Apple, then HP with their machine, or some other one.

[seaglass]

46. Sure the publishers deserve a lot of blame, but it was Steve Jobs

that insisted on the deal that no other retailers could sell books for less than he was selling on the iPad so he gets the bulk of my ire.

I think the publishers made a mistake in judgment as I don't think they've correctly assessed the value of an ebook but I guess we'll see when it all shakes out.

[Touchdown]

48. Uh' no he didn't.

What he did do was let the publishers set their own prices. Amazon set a pay one price system, and forced the publishers to comply. He may have gotten a guaranteed price match vs. the other retailers, but that's not any different than any other retailer out there with any other product.

My friend feels cheated on the Kindle prices for paperbacks and pocket books. She can buy a paperback for $6-7 and the Kindle version is still $9.99. She doesn't like that. She also refuses to buy any McMillan book until they have a more reasonable price. She loves her Kindle, BTW.

[JCMach1]

149. limits a lot of possible business applications because of this

[hlthe2b]

5. Interested, but the absence of flash is problematic, I think

[alfredo]

57. Jobs opted out of a proprietary platform for an

open one: HTML5.

He's done this before with dropping SCSI and adopting USB and Firewire. Sure did a number on the Floppy drive too. Don't see much beige anymore.

Maybe someday Flash will go the way of the Floppy.

[TransitJohn]

61. Apple is a proprietary platform.

:banghead:

[alfredo]

81. Yeah, it is, but they do use open standards when they can.

The user interface is proprietary.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

66. wait a minute...

are you telling me SCSI and Floppies are PROPRIETARY???

sP

[alfredo]

82. They dropped Flash, which is proprietary for HTML5 which

is not.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

86. I get that but you compared dropping a proprietary tech

like FLASH with dropping standard tech like SCSI. Just apple to oranges...

sP

[alfredo]

90. I was talking about pushing the technology. SCSI was fast

but it had limitations like the six available addresses. That cut the number of devices on a daisy chain. SCSI wasn't plug and play like USB. USB wasn't faster than SCSI but it was easier to use and you could put over 100 devices on a daisy chain. The connector was much smaller, making it easier to add more ports.

The floppy, was a pain in the butt. I remember the days of software coming on 6 different discs. You had to sit there and switch discs and hope there isn't a glitch that makes you start all over again.

[Tesha]

99. Well, seven addresses plus the initiator (for SCSI).

And if you ever got SCSI-16, a whopping fifteen devices!

Tesha

[alfredo]

125. And all lights dim in your neighborhood.

[Tesha]

156. Nahhh, that requires the use of Fibrechannel.

The funny thing is: A few years ago, I used to think a few Gigabytes
was a lot of storage, and I remember when not too many years
before that, 13 MB was the size of a washing machine.

Now, the server handling the backups in our house has 2 Terabytes
with the possibility to add more! Sheesh!

Tesha

[alfredo]

158. My little MacMini has more computing power than all

of the Soviet Union had during the sixties. They only had 4 computers at the time I was in the business.

[tularetom]

8. It's basically an ipod touch for old people with bad eyes

[hlthe2b]

14. I've relied for some time on 10 inch ultra portable laptops

for just about everything--even when everyone else was buying those gargantuan laptops and dual monitors for home with 20 plus inch screens.

These folks have always looked at my tiny laptops and told me the screen (and keyboards are too small). So, hearing you say that about the IPOD touch versus the IPAD has me shaking my head .... :shrug:

[tularetom]

20. Well, I guess you aren't an old person with bad eyes

But I am. And I have an ipod touch that I can't read without glasses.

But $10 reading glasses are a hell of a lot cheaper than a $500 ipad.

Besides I couldn't put the ipad in my pocket like the ipod.

[Midlodemocrat]

23. I honestly don't see the purpose of the iPod Touch.

I mean, it's more expensive than the iPhone, but there's no phone.

I don't get it.

I have an iPod that I play in the car and an iPhone that is my primary cell, but the iPod Touch eludes me.

Kids seem to like them, though. I bought two to give away at the Post Prom I'm in charge of.

[Sherman A1]

32. I don't think it's more expensive than the phone, but could be wrong.

I use mine as a combination iPod, photo storage and web device (when I am at wi-fi hotspots), basically a mini laptop that I can put in my shirt pocket. I has it's limitations sure, but so does every other device (even my car can't go up the side of the Grand Canyon).

[Midlodemocrat]

35. I could be wrong. When I got my iPhone last June it was $199

and when I was at Target the same week, the iTouch was $229.

That might have changed.

My cell was dying which is why I decided to get it. I have been enjoying it a great deal, that's for sure.

[Sherman A1]

40. I got mine at Best Buy last November and I think it was $199.00

but you could use their 10% off coupon & I had a small Gift Certificate so it came in about $165.00. I would have gotten an iPhone but I use T-Mobile and like my phone & plan with them, so this is just another toy of sorts, but one I use more and more. It's great to hook up in the car (same one that doesn't do the Grand Canyon) and listen to podcasts on the way to work. The Soft Rock station here switched to straight Christmas music after Halloween last year and I couldn't take it anymore.

[Midlodemocrat]

44. I think I was the last person on the planet to get an iPod.

My husband got one at work and then three weeks later got another one so he gave it to me. I always thought that those ear bud things would make me crazy, but I LOVE listening to it in the car!!!

I even splurged and got a Bose Sound Deck to play it in my office. Loving it!! No need to switch CDs or change albums like I had been doing in the past.

To think that the ear bud things were what was preventing me from enjoying this so much! I put all my CDs on the my iPod/iPhone and then I bought some additional music. Not a ton, I didn't need to, LOL.

PS: The MidloVan? It is truly utterly awesome, but it couldn't climb the walls of the Grand Canyon either. If it tried, however? It would be playing kick ass music.

[SDuderstadt]

51. I don't even have an Ipod...

believe it or not.

[Delphinus]

75. I'll join your club.

I talked with someone about what an iPod was and how it could turn all my CDs into something that I could put on a little thing and play in an order I wanted ... and I got really excited ... but worn out thinking of all the work it would take.

I do need to do that, eventually, as I would love to download tunes off YouTube or elsewhere and play those in my car, or my house, and not just on the computer. I don't like to purchase entire CDs for just one song.

[Tesha]

102. It's surprisingly easy to "rip" all your CDs.

Just set iTunes up to automatically rip any CD you insert,
automatically get the track data from CDDB, get the album
art from wherever-the-heck it gets it, and then automatically
eject the CD when done. Oh, and set it to not play the music
that it's ripping.

Then, just watch TV or browse DU or whatever, and feed your
Mac a new CD every few minutes. Before you know it, your
whole library will have been ripped into iTunes and ready
to transfer to your iPode/iPhone/iPad.

Tesha

[Delphinus]

162. Thanks!

I'll give it a try!

[BuddhaGirl]

127. me either!

I have a Creative brand Mp3 player that was rated higher than the Ipod and has better video capability...I love it!

[Sherman A1]

60. Gosh, I thought that I was the last one

I just couldn't justify it to myself. I had all the functions in other equipment, but my iPod Touch (named Mortimer) is a handy little rascal and my Wife has a Nano refurb that we picked up for Christmas. She likes it to exercise and do work around the house. I enjoy mine for walks, a bit at work and as I said the drive. Might think about an iPhone when T-Mobile gets the go ahead, but thinking about a new desktop or perhaps an iPad this year. Lots depends on job situation and all.

:hi:

[RobinA]

73. I Don't Have

an I-anything. Nobody could tell me what an Ipod could do (that I was interested in doing) that any old Mp3 player could not, so I got a Sony that serves me well. And was cheaper. I guess all these Is are OK for the younger crowd, but I don't want to send messages to Facebook while at work or driving in my car, so what do I need all this stuff for. I was tempted to get an IPhone once, but the cost of all the services you have to get along with it were in excess of $100 a month, which is a bill I do not need. Plus, I don't want all this connection. It just makes me nervous to have to keep answering, responding, etc. when I am doing other stuff. I rarely even answer my cell phone. Leave me alone, gadgets.

[TCJ70]

97. The actual cost of your phone was $599...

...AT&T eats $400 of the cost of the phone if you sign a two year commitment with them.

[Tesha]

100. It's not really more expensive than the iPhone but in America, sales of the iPhone...

...are always subsidized by AT&T, the carrier, making the iPhone
appear to have a lower purchase price.

Tesha

[tularetom]

52. If I had an iPhone, people could call me on it

and I sure as hell don't want that. That's why I retired.

I'm on my daughter's "family cell plan" which costs me something like $10 a month.

With the ipod I can still download all kinds of podcasts and listen to them in the car, if I'm doing something out in the barn, or whatever.

[nadinbrzezinski]

55. It is my PDA\ music player, and yes

at times word processor. I also run a wiki on it, which also resides on the cloud, so I can back it up into my computer.

by the way it is also my "satellite radio" and music, though I listen to it, is quite frankly an afterthought.

I also use it to read books, and have watched a movie or two on it.

Oh and with recent app, it is also my bibliography database for my next project, non fiction and huge. Oh and it formats the material into the correct format, and such.

[laconicsax]

58. An iPod that doubles as a hand-held computer makes lots of sense.

Especially if you already have good cell service and don't want to give (NS)AT&T your business.

[iris27]

92. Honestly, I bought mine because I wanted a backlit e-book reader, and

it was one of the only ones out there. (It was also cheaper than the non-backlit Kindle and Sony reader by quite a bit.) Why didn't I buy an iPhone? Because I don't talk on the phone enough to warrant the $100/month voice and data plan. That made the iPod Touch cheaper than the iPhone real quick!

I use a TracFone for my cell phone needs...as little as I talk, I spend about $100 a YEAR on minutes.

I can use the internet on my iPod Touch while at home or anywhere else there's wi-fi, and in places where the only internet would be 3G, I can still access all the books, music, and games I've already downloaded.

[guitar man]

141. It's not actually more expensive

The reason you get the iPhone that cheap is because of your phone contract. If you bought an iPhone outright without a contract renewal with AT&T , the price would make your hair stand up :wow:

I just got a refurb 8gb iPhone 3g to replace my 1st gen iPhone for $49 :)

[hlthe2b]

45. Getting there.. which is all the more reason I'm interested in

the IPAD...LOL

[elfin]

18. Geezer here and Mac fan -- look forward

to the second or later generations of IPad so I can bask in the sun and read or view whatever after they add needed improvements.

Jobs will add backtracks, if needed, before he conquers the universe.

Loving the buzz, which will encourage both early adopters and others who seek out other alternatives for the newest ways to stay plugged in and stay literate via books and other media.

[Cleita]

26. I better get one. That basically has stopped me from getting the

video iPod, the size of the screen.

[Midlodemocrat]

11. Mine arrives Saturday.

Cannot wait.

:woohoo:

[blogslut]

19. Too proprietary

I'll give them credit for combining existing hardware technologies into products that acquire mass acceptance. The iMac gave birth to the all-in-one computer and literally ended usage of the floppy disk. The iPhone made the smartphone concept popular and gave users insight into the benefits of a touch-screen interface. The iPad furthers the touch-screen love and expounds on app/widget/cloud software operation.

However, while I can accept Apple's choice to forgo the FLASH format and I think it has more to do with a refusal to pay for Adobe licensing than battery life, I cannot accept their Apple-only expansion port. Requiring a user to purchase a special connector in order to plug USB peripherals into the iPad is to me, unacceptible.

[Tesha]

103. It's okay; they're sold out for now anyway. (NT)

[BulletproofLandshark]

25. That $500 would be better spent on a laptop.

A laptop would also be a lot less likely to shatter when dropped.

[REP]

174. But I already have a laptop

One that works, too.

[seaglass]

27. Considering the negative impact on ebook prices as a result of iPad

I don't think much of it.:mad:

[laconicsax]

33. It's just a big iPod Touch, making it a giant iPhone without the phone or camera.

The iPhone is roughly 4.5"x2.5" and weighs 5oz. It has a phone and a camera.
The iPad is roughly 9.5"x7.5" and weighs 1.6 lb (25 oz.).

Usually you have to remove functionality when you shrink a computer, not when you make it much bigger. The iPad is about 6 times bigger than the iPhone and has less functionality.

Apple is actually going backwards with this one. I look forward to their coming out with giant, tape-based computers in the next little bit.

[Zynx]

39. On top of my lap top, desk top(which is an old bastard by now), and smart phone, I don't have a use.

It doesn't replace any of them. It just gives me another thing to worry about.

[DainBramaged]

41. The new iPad

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. Nope but I am a "techi"

and for me having a CAMERA to use with Skype is like a no brainer. So no, I will not get one

There is also the issue of limited memory and a few other things...

But as they dismissively put it, we techies will be rather critical of it.

[Delphinus]

76. Haha!

That explains why my techni friends that I asked were against it!

[nadinbrzezinski]

138. Well for me the camera was likan obvious thing

given partly the niche it is filling.

As to your friends, well when I heard the description of the reporter, I went... well so they dismiss the critics of basic things like oh... a camera on board, as techies.

Don't get me wrong. second, third gen... that is when I got my IPOD touch. So when the time comes to replace my NETBOOK... I will, might, consider a PAD also it depends if they can really do something stupid for the researcher in me... allow for what my netbook also allows, MULTI TASKING.

[Tesha]

157. The second generation will almost certainly have a camera on the front...

...so that it can support videoconferencing. It will be interesting to
see the first "tear-down" reports as they find out whether or not the
first-generation circuit board has a site waiting for the camera; it
wouldn't surprise me to find out it was planned but dropped.

Tesha

[hankthecrank]

43. Mine is on the way also

can't wait !

[REP]

47. I'll tell you Saturday

[REP]

173. It's terrific; posting on it now

[SDuderstadt]

49. Anyone heard anything concrete about the...

"Google Tablet". it's being billed as the "Ipad killer", but I can't get any hard info on it. I'm leaning towards it, primarily for the ability to take notes on it (like a notepad, using the digitizer pen).

I actually once worked with a client who made the digitizer and pen for HP, and the hurdle always seems to be third-party apps.

[ShamelessHussy]

53. i think it is a great device for the living room and/or the bedroom

movies, books, games, internet, email, all in such a slim form factor, i think is gonna be a big hit, considering the price.

i want one =)

[Kablooie]

62. I can't judge until I have one in my hands.

[rcrush]

64. Wait for a competitor product

There are some Ipad type products coming out. One by X2 is going to have USB ports and memory slots and will support Flash. I think it will run Win 7.

[ShamelessHussy]

130. you may be waiting a while for something in the same league e.g. iPhone

it's been almost 3 years and it's still pretty much in a class by itself

[RedCappedBandit]

65. Tablet PCs have been available for a long time

I don't see how the iPad brings anything new to the table except reduced functionality.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

68. shhhh...the apple fanbois will be upset if you point out

that their beloved products are not magical and revolutionary...

sP

[Touchdown]

111. You're a real drive by Applebagger, aren't you?

Hope you can keep that energy up. Obsessions usually drain you fast.

[RedCappedBandit]

152. It's somewhat entertaining...

seeing everybody run to Apple's defense when somebody dares express a simple lack of interest in an Apple product.

[Touchdown]

164. It's not about the lack of interest.

If you have no interest in it, either because of it or the company that makes it, I have no issue with that. It's the extreme lack of knowledge about a product and parroting of falsehoods that deserve redress. Specifically issues like an Apple product "has to solve a lifestyle problem" in order to justify it's existence.

Fox-like falsehood memes that are tea-bag like parroted in this thread alone...
Flash is necessary for the web-false! 90% of flash is useless adverts, and everybody (even the "No Flash!" screamers) knows it!
It doesn't multi task-Mostly false, but completely with the next OS update.
No USB/No SD slot- False with the camera adapter set.
It can't do serious computing-How does anybody know that when Today is the first day anybody's been able to use one?

[RedCappedBandit]

169. Most inventions serve a purpose

That is, in fact, why they are invented. Where you pulled that little quote from, I have no idea.

I do not see the purpose of the iPad. It is no more portable than a typical notebook, yet less functional.
Apple's tendency to require the purchase of additional hardware to make use of standard features *is* a serious turn-off, not just with the iPad but with many of their products.

For some reason, you seem to be offended by such views and have responded to my post with some random crap about ownership rights (as if I ever made the implication that people should not be permitted to choose whatever fancy gadgets they buy next).

[Touchdown]

177. I pulled that quote directly below where this post lies.

Unless you are talking about the David Bowie lyric in my sig line.

Your line "As far as I'm concerned, it is a product created to solve a problem that never existed. " RedCappedBandit, post 96, response to #89, Fri Apr 2, 2010 2:05pm.

Slinkys, Hula Hoops, and those rubber spider things that crawl down walls were all invented...I assume to serve no purpose. Television was invented. If it serves a purpose, then why so many different sizes, much less called an idiot box? Like I said. This is a computer, not a public works initiative.

Your personal concerns are valid. Not for me though.

Typical notebook, it is more portable when you have a camera bag with a pocket that can only hold so much.
Less functional. How exactly do you know this? How many hours have you spent using one, and which software was it that you were using?
Requiring the purchase of separate hardware isn't just an Apple tendency, but it is industry wide. Apparently you never bought your son an XBox.

[RedCappedBandit]

183. The quote in this post and your previous one are completely different.

You really believe toys were invented "to serve no purpose"? And what does differing sizes have to do with the functionality of a television?


I know my concerns are valid, otherwise I would not hold them. Nowhere did I claim my concerns would be relevant for people with different needs.

The iPad is hardly any smaller than a typical netbook (say, an Eee PC). It is less heavy, but again, at the cost of functionality.



To use your own words: "It's designed to be an integral part of a larger computer system, not replace it." Clearly, a tool designed to be an accessory of a fully functional 'computer system' does not have the same functionality of that larger system. That begs the question, why pay more for an iPad which is designed to be a part of something that you can have for hundreds of dollars less in a more complete package?

[Touchdown]

191. Why pay for it is a valid question. Why pay more is relative to perceived value.

I have no laptop. They are really too much for what I need when I'm away from home. Likewise, they are usually not enough for me when I am at home, which is why I have a desktop. I can see the use of a traveling computer, but just not a notebook. Now, to my particular uses... I am a photographer (semi-pro, but mostly amateur hobbyist)... so therefore...

Netbooks are out of the question for me for two reasons.
They are almost universally slow. Putting a piece of editing software on it, I would have to be very selective about. Photoshop is out of the question. It would work, but it would work slowly, and when I have 600 wedding shots to go through, that kind of defeats the purpose of editing on the road. Also, the monitors are cheap, and have unreliable color reproduction. Not good when you are trying to color sync your aunt's cheap printer so that your prints don't look worse.
Reason #2... Windows. I have no windows systems that I have ever bought. I only use it at work. I don't even dual boot them on my Mac. Windows won't sync to my Mac easily and quickly like a dedicated Mac peripheral will. Not to mention that I have about $600 invested in Photography software... all for Mac. I'm not going to buy that shit again for a different OS. Now, I could "hackintosh" a netbook, but after I pay the $450 for a decent one, and another $150 for OSX/iLife/iWork suite, buy an outboard DVD drive and a 16g flash stick for the job (another $75), I'm already up to $675 and I'm not even into AT&T's $60 a month 3G data plan.... then there's the monitor. No hackintosh can fix that. Then I have to carry a mouse with me. I see no reason to personally own a windows system when all my computing is done on Macs, and I want integration. Hackintoshing is also just settling for less. It's like dropping a V8 into a Hyundai... Why not let Apple build me a Porsche?

Have you ever seen one of these?


Back when Compact Flash/SD memory cards were $150 a gig, I bought one of these so I could erase my cards and keep on shooting. It has a 30 gig HDD in it. It cannot edit, or even crop my photos on this thing. It costed me $500 four years ago. What it is is small enough to fit in my Camera bag, and has a viewscreen that serves a useful purpose.

I'm looking for the iPad to replace it. Bigger screen, double the memory space, accepts camera RAW files, and a very strong possibility of decent if only basic editing software... and it still fits in my camera bag (just in a different place). Now back to netbook comparisons... What I do know about dealing with them, is that Apple doesn't do cheap. They use high quality components in all their hardware, especially their monitors. All iMacs and Apple displays are reference quality monitors. Judging by what the reviewers are saying and others who have played with one, the screen on the iPad will keep that high quality. Dozens of small photo editing apps have already been made for iPhone, and although they are very limited in quality and function, they do serve their purpose. As of yesterday, the iPad has at least 10 dedicated photo editors available, and they all boast to do much more than with an iPhone. So there you have it. That and it plays movies, displays book text large enough to read, plays Need For Speed:Shift, works with the 50 or so iPhone apps I already have, gives me e-mail, lets me surf the net at work so I can't be spied on by my bosses. I bring a laptop in there? I have to register it with security, and the boss can see it. I don't have to show my iPhone to them.

Oh' yeah, AT&T's iPad price is $30 a month unlimited data... no contract. No other device has that deal. And... It looks to be a perfect way to show off my portfolio to any prospective clients.

EDIT: Got so into blabbing that I forgot to answer your question about TV size. One of the objections is "that it's really nothing but a bigger iPod Touch". Kind of off the wal remark, but still valid in the argument. A $120 Sharp 13" LCD TV serves the same purpose as a $2500 72" Mitsubishi DLP TV. So why the need for the Mitsubishi? Easy! Gay Porn! A 9.7" iPad is much better for gay porn than a 2.3" iPhone.;)

[alfredo]

89. Before, tablets were billed as laptop replacements. Apple

made their pad as a content delivery platform. The touchscreen builds on what it has learned from the iPhone and iPod touch. They built up an app and user base that could easily transfer to the iPad. It was like the Touch was a proof of concept for the iPad.

It's not what you do, but how you do it. There were MP3 players before the iPod, and there were doubts about the desirability of yet another mp3 player.

There are missing functions, but as we saw with the iPod, one shouldn't draw conclusions from the 1.0 release.

[RedCappedBandit]

96. If the iPad isn't a laptop replacement...

which I don't think it is.. then it is simply another superfluous overpriced gadget that people will be programmed into believing they can't live without.

As far as I'm concerned, it is a product created to solve a problem that never existed.

I really do not understand its function.



As somewhat of a side note, I'm also really sick of this touchscreen fad and wish it would go away.

[Touchdown]

104. Does it have to solve a problem to justify it's existence?

It's a multi-purpose electronic device. It's not a public works project.

It may be superfluous... to you, but that doesn't mean there are those who won't find a use for it. Just because you don't need it, doesn't mean that nobody else should be allowed have it.

[RedCappedBandit]

150. Clearly I speak for myself and nobody else. nt

[Tesha]

106. Investigate the term "vertical markets"; there you will find the true meaning of the iPad.

And the touchscreen thing? It ain't going away.

Tesha

[alfredo]

124. Let's see how people interact with it. I will see how my

arthritis reacts to it before I consider buying one.

[ShamelessHussy]

129. 1. form factor 2. the OS

something that apple has perfected

[RedCappedBandit]

151. Apple has done many things. Perfecting an OS is not one of them imo. nt

[jeanmarc]

67. It's for people who don't read books

Backlit screens for reading are kind of silly. I don't know many people who read books on their computer monitor.

10 hours is laughable compared to Kindle.

It's an iPhone with a better cpu.

It will likely change dramatically in the 2nd version, so 1st version people are screwed.

It will allow better devices from other companies to a new market the iPad created.

It's too heavy.

It's keyboard entry sucks.

I'm not a big fan. I'll wait for iPad 2.0, potential MS Courier, or another entry, the Notion Ink Adam.

[Toasterlad]

77. I'll Wait For the Non-Apple Equivalent, Which Will Have Ironed Out the Bugs

and will play well with others.

I learned a long time ago never to buy anything from Apple, unless I intend to buy EVERYTHING from Apple.

[ChoppinBroccoli]

83. I Don't Know Anything About It, But.............

..............isn't just a great big IPod Touch that's been beefed up to hold more and run faster?

I love my IPod, and would love to get an IPod Touch, but they're so damn expensive (I'd have to spend $400 to get one that would hold all my songs the way my IPod Classic does) that I can't justify it. If the news is true that the IPhone will eventually become available for Verizon customers, I might just wait for that to happen.

That's my problem with Apple's gadgets. They're cool and all, but they're outrageously expensive. And the price NEVER drops (nor do they ever have sales or specials).

[jgraz]

91. I can set three more beers on it than I can with my iPhone

:thumbsup:

[ecstatic]

93. It won't be of use to me. I need to be able to type and fast

Not one letter at a time on a wishy washy touch screen.

[Tesha]

108. Use any Bluetooth wireless keyboard with it then. (NT)

[demodonkey]

94. Posting this on a 12" G4 Powerbook...

...smallest laptop Apple ever made. I LOVE IT, even though it is about 6.5 years old. I worry what I will replace it with when it fails. I would love to see Apple come through with an ultra small but very high power laptop or basically a netbook that is fully powered and fully featured.

I won't be buying an iPad.

[fishwax]

95. It's not that appealing to me, personally

But I'm happy for the folks enjoying it, I suppose.

[gmoney]

98. Give it time...

The rest of the world needs a little time to catch up and start deploying their imaginations on it.

People thought the iPod was a stupid idea a few years back...

[IDemo]

101. I was just in a meeting less than an hour ago

The VP of a large electronics firm asked a roomful of engineers (about 50) how many were going to buy an iPad. Two people raised their hand...

[tabbycat31]

107. women should have named the product

it sounds like high tech protection for that time of month.

[walldude]

110. No USB port.

How stupid can you be? They are going to need to fix this.

[Touchdown]

112. Ahem...

USB.............................. SD

[walldude]

113. Does that come with the Ipad or do you have to pay extra?

I heard it didn't come with it. And if that's true it's just low.. And I have nothing against mac, as I type this on my MacBook :)

[Touchdown]

115. Oh' so you heard! So you lied, when you said "NO USB!" didn't you?

So you also know it's sold separately... which is a distraction to not being caught in a LIE!

[walldude]

155. I didn't lie. I knew there was no Built In USB, sorry I wasn't

specific. If you are going to have a portable device building in a usb port is essential unless you want to hack your customers for more money. And the only reason I know it's sold separately is that's how Apple does things. They make things proprietary so you are forced to buy it from them at inflated prices. It's a cheap shot at their customers and you shouldn't be happy about it.

[Touchdown]

167. So you never, ever buy any accessories for any computer that you buy

EVER! Right?:shrug:

BTW: It's designed to be an integral part of a larger computer system, not replace it. The decision to go with an iPod sync port should have tipped you off on that. If it's a stand alone computer you want, then a full OSX/Ubuntu or Windows system is in order.

[mod mom]

119. This may be the solution to the TX School board Text dilemma. The hope is that these will replace

costly textbook, but it also has many other uses. Wish I could afford one now.

[TCJ70]

120. The business applications could be fairly far reaching.

Doctors pulling up charts...wait staff putting in orders and submitting them wirelessly...and so on and so forth. I'll probably get one since I really like the iWork integration and am not too concerned with flash comparability because of HTML 5.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

122. Meh, I'm waiting for one of these.

No flash or usb is deal killer.

[Touchdown]

123. Ummm. USB coming right up

Can't help you with Flash, since that one the iPad doesn't have, but quit propagating the lie that it doesn't have USB.

[BuddhaGirl]

128. ooooohh pretty!

I want one of these, not the overpriced Icrap :-)

[Touchdown]

134. Overpriced!

That thing is $50 more than the iPad!

:rofl:

[WeekendWarrior]

137. It also does about $1000 more than an iPad can do. nt.

[Touchdown]

139. Can it now? How is that?

I saw more than 1000 dedicated iPad pieces of software for sale today.... which doesn't count the 140,000 iPhone apps also compatible.

How many Windows programs are touch screen optimized?

Flash's adbots is worth $500 to you?:rofl:

[BuddhaGirl]

153. your Icrap adoration is adorable

:rofl:

[Tesha]

159. I've generally found that people that sling around terms like "iCrap" and "fanbois"...

...have no idea what they're complaining about. The people who
actually know what they're talking about don't have to use terms
like these.

Tesha

[BuddhaGirl]

172. if you say so

touchy, hmmm? :eyes:

[Tesha]

180. No. But I have no need to use ad hominem attacks either, unlike you. (NT)

[BuddhaGirl]

184. lordy!

:eyes:

[Touchdown]

166. I see you have to advertise being a buddhist, sort of like a jesus fish on a car... Interesting.

Perhaps it's because you don't seem to be acting like one.

[BuddhaGirl]

170. LOL I was replying to somebody else when you jumped in

originally...because you had to defend your cult. Have fun :-)

[Touchdown]

178. LOL! You were responding to me when you said it was somebody else.

Lay off the incense when your re-arranging your furniture, your getting loopy on the fumes and calling others who don't believe in the mystical powers of crossing your legs to achieve true bliss, cult members. I'm sure there's a Feng Shui rule against that.

[BuddhaGirl]

185. LOL - I think the Icult has really got you

:rofl:

btw - its "you're"

[Touchdown]

186. Ah. Grammar correcting. Thank you for conceding the argument.

:hi:

[BuddhaGirl]

190. not conceding anything

:hi:

[Touchdown]

193. Yes you did.

:hi:

[BuddhaGirl]

194. no, but you obviously need to create the illusion

:hi:

[Touchdown]

195. Ooooh! Bullseye! You won! I admit it! You have bested me!

I bow before you the great BuddhaGirl! It's true. You have a MUCH bigger Internet dick than I do!

[BuddhaGirl]

196. whatever :-)

n/t

[comrade snarky]

147. These look interesting to me

It's a netbook tablet with a multi-touch screen and a full OS. Many people wont care about the OS but for me it's a deal breaker, I need things like files system access, network access and a slew of connectivity options for it to be useful at work.

This one is far from perfect but in a year or so... who knows? Could be good. A little fatter and heavier than the pure pads but that's a compromise I can make for the extras.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/lenovo-ideapad-s10-3t-review/

[ShamelessHussy]

131. Apple iPad Review: Laptop Killer? Pretty Close - Walter S. Mossberg March 31, 2010

excellent, in depth review...
http://ptech.allthingsd.com/20100331/apple-ipad-review/

best differentiator description I've heard, apple says it's between a smart phone and a laptop, however he points out this is a consuming device vs a creating device e.g. laptop

[nadinbrzezinski]

146. Interesting and what he wrote

about Pages, reminds me so much of Pages on the MAC a few years back. You'd think they'd solve those issues by now. And in the version running on the Macbook they mostly have. This makes me wonder WTF... but that is just me.

[romana]

133. Saturday

My iPad is coming tomorrow. 32GB WiFI. I can't wait.

[WeekendWarrior]

135. I'm sure it's great for people

who want a simple, easy computing device to browse the web, read books, listen to music, watch movies, play games. But I can do all that on my netbook, plus multitask, view flash based apps and presentations, watch Hulu and Netflix, and a host of other things that the iPad doesn't do.

But it looks cool, and if it's half as fun as the iPhone, it'll be a big hit.

And, who knows, I may break down and buy one. But I think I'll wait for the HP Slate. It looks much more interesting to me.

[Touchdown]

140. iPad does Netflix.

You don't even know what it has, but too busy being an Apple hater to really know what it doesn't do... like Flash and it's 85% of annoying, pop up advertizing on the web.

[Toucano]

142. I'm more interested in an i-job, i-food and the i-rent.

Not looking for another "advanced" needless application of technology.

[Touchdown]

143. iPhone announced Today for Verizon, and yes. It WILL have Multitasking.

iPhone OS4 will have multitasking, so the iPad/iPhone both will have multitasking in June. There's another tired talking point you can put to rest now.

Verizon get's their CMDA version in June also.

[Tesha]

160. But, but, it still doesn't have Phasors! And a replicator!

It sucks!

(How'd I do?)

Tesha

[Bravo Zulu]

144. Pee-wee Gets An iPad!

Pee-wee shows his new Apple iPad to the Playhouse Gang!
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/f7a03edbd7/pee-wee-gets-an-ipad

[Lucian]

145. I have a laptop computer, so buying an iPad would be a waste of money.

And I have a Kindle that can last two weeks on a single charge. An iPad? 10 hours.

No thanks. No thanks.

[Tesha]

161. That would be ten hours running Video. How long does your Kindle run while displaying video?

And, in fact, reviews say it runs twelve hours against the claimed ten.

Tesha

[Touchdown]

165. I wonder how much more it would be with just reading, instead of video.

The back light could be a drain, but I'm guessing 15-20 at least.:shrug:

That's the only true way of comparing a Kindle to an iPad's battery life.

[Tesha]

168. I would expect that's about right. And as I explained farther up-thread, ...

...if the device lasts out a full day of usage and can fully recharge
while I sleep, its battery lasts "long enough".

Today, my iPhone easily meets that criterion on all but the most-
demanding days so the iPad with its much-longer battery life
(compared to the iPhone) should very easily meet my expectations.

Tesha

[Lucian]

179. It annoys me how people will buy any piece of crap Apple throws out.

iPad is worthless, imo. I also have a laptop so buying an ipad would be a waste of money.

[Tesha]

182. It's okay; they're sold out for now anyway. (NT)

[girl gone mad]

148. Not even the slightest bit interested.

I've had tablets and they are a real PITA to use. I much prefer the form factor of a laptop for general computer use and the ipod or iphone when on the go. Apps just aren't a good enough selling point because, like the vast majority of people, I get bored with 99.9% of them after 1 or 2 uses.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

154. It could easily be an excellent replacement for my aged ibook but it seems ungainly

and would have to use it propped up. It also looks like it can easily be broken.

[earth mom]

163. I want one and the price is reasonable IMO.

B-)

[Name removed]

171. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Touchdown]

176. Trolling for site hits, I see.

Two threads already! Wow!

We have a Macintosh Forum there. You can get at least 10 posts on your count if you go there. Hope your little movie brings you joy and sex!:hi:

[BlooInBloo]

175. Big useless expensive gadget that only idiots and Apple Corp. disciples want.

[malaise]

181. We're passing on the ipad

We have more than enough gadgets.

[backscatter712]

188. Does look like a neat toy. Wish I had the $$$$$... n/t

I may invest in a $300 netbook sooner or later - I'd like to have something small enough to carry around without too much hassle - my current laptop has a broken hinge, is pretty damned heavy, and only has 2 hours of battery life, so I have to bring it, and its power brick and cords when I want to take it somewhere.

[stlsaxman]

189. Having grown to love the amazing music apps on the Touch has me sold on iPad...

Just the fact that it's bigger will be excellent for my huge paws! Easier to play the Mellotron and Vintage Synths and Sound effects.... oh yeah, baby!

But i'll wait for Gen 2 that will most likely have an on-board web cam for Skype. I don't have a cell phone- just Skype on my iPod Touch.

[Lyric]

192. Meh. Don't need it, so I won't be buying it.

I have a laptop already, thanks much. I don't need it to be tiny.