List everything that is "Socialist"

[southernleftylady]

Since the tea baggers hate all that is socialist... I was wondering if yall can list all that is Socialist that everyone uses... TIA :)

[proud patriot]

1. the military

[PBS Poll-435]

2. Parks

Either Local/State/National

I really like them

[Gargoyle22]

3. The National Football League.

[devilgrrl]

40. good one!

:thumbsup:

[Shanti Mama]

60. I think the NFL is privately owned.

But aren't there oversight boards of some sort for all the big sports leagues? Are they public?

[riverdale]

63. NFL is socialist

Socialist revenue sharing and an equal salary cap for all teams

[devilgrrl]

65. Never mind all the tax breaks and tax payer funds teams get.

If anything they're welfare queens.

[ChoppinBroccoli]

73. I've Known This For Years

You can tell by the way they ARTIFICIALLY take teams at the BOTTOM and try to help them make it to the top. You know, like the way they ALWAYS give the team with the worst record in the league the FIRST pick in the following draft? And they make the team that won the Super Bowl pick DEAD LAST!!! How is THAT any kind of reward for a team that worked hard and ended up on top? To be PUNISHED by being given the LAST pick, while the team that didn't work hard or earn anything is just HANDED the #1 pick? SOCIALISM!!! You're supposed to reward the WINNERS, not the losers!!! Why, under this system, there is absolutely no INCENTIVE for the good teams to be good, so what you'll see is all the good team intentionally tanking games so they don't get burdened with the low draft picks. You'll see. It'll happen. And THEN where will the NFL be? Socialism will RUIN the league!!! You'll see.

And don't even get me started on the ARTIFICIAL hindrances to successful teams like the Salary Cap and revenue sharing. With all this SOCIALISM going on, mark my words, the NFL will fold. There's NO WAY it will EVER become the most successful sports franchise in the history of time, and remain on top for a Century with all that SOCIALISM going on. You watch, the NFL and its SOCIALIST ways will not exist in about 20 years.

NOTE: The foregoing is an imaginary conversation that would have taken place in the early 1900s (at the dawn of the NFL) had Teabaggers existed back then.

[Dogmudgeon]

4. Education

--d!

[baldguy]

5. Highways, police & emergency services.

[patrice]

6. Any benefit for which one did not pay the actual market for-profit value, but for which the actual

cost is shared by a group, especially when that sharing of the cost is mandated by membership in the group.

This would include jobs from businesses who take tax write-offs for their part of the costs of goods and services that they use for business and that are financed by the group.

[dmallind]

7. The other defintions above are actually a bit off

Not everything the government does through spending tax dollars for the general good is socialism. Socialism in its purest sense is government ownership of the means of production. When we have American Coal run by government bureaucrats, or American Steel or American Motors, then we will have socialism. Roads and the military (and most of the roads are built by private companies anyway, as are military services provided in many cases)are public goods, not signs of socialism.

[patrice]

8. That is only one of the many types of socialism in the world, one that is more Communist than the

others.

[dmallind]

23. Sorry - not so

so·cial·ism audio (ssh-lzm) KEY

NOUN:

1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
2. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.


American Heritage Dictionary

It's all about collective ownership.

[SargeUNN]

26. Ah well then the Green Bay Packers are Socialist

How many Packers fans are against Socialism.

[dmallind]

72. Closer than most NFL teams sure

But "ownership" and "control" are not exact sysnonyms here. The taxpayers don't get to vote on who the coach is or the starting QB. When they do, or even a council of them, then it will indeed be socialist.

[SargeUNN]

29. Words have 2 meanings

one is called denotative the other is connotative socialism is not just the dictionary mean, but carries meanings that are not mentioned in the dictionary.

[patrice]

34. Precisely! e.g. almost any word, but just say e.g. the word "black" vs. the actual world.

[dmallind]

71. So...where do we find THOSE definitiins

I cited - your turn.

[patrice]

33. Uh . . . there's a difference between a book and the actual world.

[dmallind]

70. What is it?

Where can I find THAT definition?

[patrice]

37. "... collectively -OR- by a centralized government..." There are ALL kinds of collectives.

[dmallind]

69. By which "definition" any company not individually owned would be socialist

Which means hey every big evil corporation is sccialist! Success!

[patrice]

12. Saying that it's only businesses that are wholly owned by the government is the same thing as saying

only 100 proof white lightning is alcohol.

There are various degrees of socialistic endeavors.

[dmallind]

22. Not really

Well yes in one way, but private ownership negates socialism. The military is not a means of production, neither are firemen or cops. When the government owns companies, that's socialism.

[patrice]

28. Production means nothing unless it produces a benefit, so benefit is the criteria and to some

the military and other such do create a benefit, which is the higher order value from which "production" is derived.

And how can private "ownership" negate socialism when private "ownership" produces nothing of benefit (or otherwise) without needed goods, resources, and services that private "ownership" did not produce.

You can own all of the ball-bearing factories in the world, but without socially produced roads and transportation and markets to get those ball-bearings to, you own something that is of limited or no value. Same thing for meat or cars or spinach. Yes, in theory, all of those SOCIAL goods and services could each one have been created and developed individually and entirely privately and without the support of ANY other (private or otherwise) goods and services, but that did not happen. With very few exceptions, everything is more or less inter-dependent, so, since you can't/don't produce the wherewithal of your own survival no matter what you are doing, and yet expect to be valued by the system in such a manner as for the social system to meet your needs, why not almost ANYONE else?

[unblock]

52. a bit of a digression, but i think you mean 200 proof.

[shraby]

14. The roads may be built by private companies, but tax

dollars pay the private companies to build them.

[patrice]

21. Right. I think in terms of whether something is a more or less

independent, for-profit enterprise or whether it is more or less dependent, not-for-profit, or depends upon not-for-profit resources.

Technically, to the extent that money is not a Real Value, but rather a completely arbitrary and abstract value that depends upon the general agreement of a ***GROUP*** as to what the rate of exchange is, anything that depends upon money is socialistic. It is a benefit derived from a system/group/society that allows you to avoid paying the actual cost of that benefit.

[mudplanet]

19. In theory, true, but the opposition claims that the HCR bill creates a

"socialist" model of health care, so let's go on their definition of socialism. Certainly police protection, all public roads, fire department services, etc are organized and operated under a more "socialist" model than health care.

[Odin2005]

49. No, socialism is control of the means of production by THE WORKERS.

What you are describing is State Capitalism.

[leftstreet]

56. "government bureaucrats"

hmmm...

Are you sure you meant to say that?

[miscsoc]

9. liberty

at least in europe, and probably in north america. (it's hard to imagine that the u.s. could have stayed wholly free in a world dominated by the axis powers)

victory in the second world war was secured by massive, essentially democratic-socialist government action on the part of the u.s.

[patrice]

32. Bingo!!!~

[Omaha Steve]

10. The socialist party had over one million votes for president (Debs was in prison) 1920

http://www.historycentral.com/elections/1920Pop.html



The party got Workmans Comp, Unemployment Ins, and more passed over the years.

[miscsoc]

11. harding released debs from prison

and then invited him to the white house for dinner, iirc. not much of a president, and anything but socialist, but he deserves credit for that

[Kievan Rus]

13. Most of the buildings in Washington DC

[shraby]

15. Street lights and libraries, maintaining clear roads in

the winter..plowing and sanding by county and city crews. Street and highway signs, stoplights.

[EFerrari]

16. Stop lights.

[Suich]

17. Fireman.

Can you imagine how much it would cost if you had to pay to have a house fire put out? The equipment, the manpower, including overtime, the water, etc., would bankrupt me. I'd have to sell my burned out house to pay the bill!

[wolfgangmo]

75. The water is socialistic as well

Without water the fire dept. won't be putting out anything.

[rucky]

18. The legal system.

[MajorChode]

20. Almost all transportation

...to include, but not limited to roads, waterways, aviation, and to a lesser extent, railway.

[david13]

24. Life.

[Berserker]

25. This was posted on DU

Sorry I don't remember who posted it.

To all Tea Party members, I urge you to take the following pledge before it's too late. Please pass it on to fellow members.

I do solemnly swear to uphold the principles of a socialism-free society and heretofore pledge my word that I shall
abstain from the use of and participation in any socialist goods and services including but not limited to the following:

•Social Security
•Medicare/Medicaid
•State Children’s Health Insurance Programs (SCHIP)
•Police, Fire, and Emergency Services
•US Postal Service
•Roads and Highways
•Air Travel (regulated by the socialist FAA)
•The US Railway System
•Public Subways and Metro Systems
•Public Bus and Lightrail Systems
•Rest Areas on Highways
•Sidewalks
•All Government-Funded Local/State Projects
•Public Water and Sewer Services (goodbye socialist toilet, shower, dishwasher, kitchen sink, outdoor hose!)
•Public and State Universities and Colleges
•Public Primary and Secondary Schools
•Sesame Street
•Publicly Funded Anti-Drug Use Education for Children
•Public Museums
•Libraries
•Public Parks and Beaches
•State and National Parks
•Public Zoos
•Unemployment Insurance
•Municipal Garbage and Recycling Services
•Treatment at Any Hospital or Clinic That Ever Received Funding From Local, State or Federal Government (pretty much all of them)
•Medical Services and Medications That Were Created or Derived From Any Government Grant or Research Funding (again, pretty much all of them)
•Socialist Byproducts of Government Investment Such as Duct Tape and Velcro (Nazi-NASA Inventions)
•Use of the Internets, email, and networked computers, as the DoD's ARPANET was the basis for subsequent computer networking
•Foodstuffs, Meats, Produce and Crops That Were Grown With, Fed With, Raised With or That Contain Inputs From Crops Grown With Government Subsidies
•Clothing Made from Crops (e.g. cotton) That Were Grown With or That Contain Inputs From Government Subsidies
If a veteran of the government-run socialist US military, I will forego my VA benefits and insist on paying for my own medical care
I will not tour socialist government buildings like the Capitol in Washington, D.C.
I pledge to never take myself, my family, or my children on a tour of the following types of socialist locations, including but not limited to:
•Smithsonian Museums such as the Air and Space Museum or Museum of American History
•The socialist Washington, Lincoln, and Jefferson Monuments
•The government-operated Statue of Liberty
•The Grand Canyon
•The socialist World War II and Vietnam Veterans Memorials
•The government-run socialist-propaganda location known as Arlington National Cemetery
•All other public-funded socialist sites, whether it be in my state or in Washington, DC

I will urge my Member of Congress and Senators to forego their government salary and government-provided healthcare.

I will oppose and condemn the government-funded and therefore socialist military of the United States of America.

I will boycott the products of socialist defense contractors such as GE, Lockheed-Martin, Boeing, Northrop Grumman, General Dynamics, Raytheon, Humana, FedEx, General Motors, Honeywell, and hundreds of others that are paid by our socialist government to produce goods for our socialist army.

I will protest socialist security departments such as the Pentagon, FBI, CIA, Department of Homeland Security, TSA, Department of Justice and their socialist employees.

Upon reaching eligible retirement age, I will tear up my socialist Social Security checks.

Upon reaching age 65, I will forego Medicare and pay for my own private health insurance until I die.


SWORN ON A BIBLE AND SIGNED THIS DAY OF __________ IN THE YEAR ___.
_____________ _________________________
Signed Printed Name/Town and State

[southernleftylady]

27. awesome awesome awesome! thats exactly the type of thing i was looking for thanks! nt

[patrice]

30. THAT's very good!

[Union Yes]

31. Me

:evilgrin:

:hi:

[jody]

35. Do you mean socialist in the original meaning of state ownership of the means of production and

central planning by an omniscient, omnipotent government OR in the current sense of redistribution of wealth through taxation and government institutions?

[patrice]

41. The common factor in all of it collectivity in whatever form. It could be a private trade organizati

on, to the extent that the group provides a benefit that members could not create individually and for which they do not individually bear the full cost of creating that benefit, it's socialist and if that benefit extends to include the full spectrum of the necessaries for survival for it's members, it's Socialism.

[jody]

42. Thanks for your opinion but I asked southernleftylady the OP author. n/t

[patrice]

43. This is a public place. Perhaps you should consider PM-ing your private conversations.

[jody]

45. Perhaps you should let the OP author answer a question directed to her. n/t

[iamthebandfanman]

54. that must hurt. n/t

[patrice]

68. Who is stopping her? nt

[Union Yes]

36. Ok I'll play fair =) ...

Government for the people, of the people, by the people.

:patriot:

[DainBramaged]

38. Here

[Subdivisions]

66. That made me laff. Those people are so fucking stupid. Thanks, DB. n/t

[DainBramaged]

67. Stoopid isn't even the word for them

How do you cut taxes and not defense? And the old ho sitting in the chair, zero taxes. Who then pays for her Social Security and Medicare?

[LaydeeBug]

39. toilets. nt

[one_voice]

44. Car Insurance..

Life Insurance, Health Insurance, Homeowners Ins.

You pay into a "pot" but may never have the need to use what you've paid. Yet you don't get a refund on what you don't use, it's spread around.

Or you could use much more than you've paid.

[David__77]

46. Democracy.

Can't have it without socialism.

[AzoraBlue]

47. A mini-story I've seen passed around:

Transcribing a user essay from an image that gets passed around my corner of the internet for great amusement:

this morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US department of energy. I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. After that I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the national weather service of the national oceanographic and atmospheric administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the national aeronautics and space administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US department of agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the food and drug administration.

At the appropriate time as regulated by the US congress and kept accurate by the national institute of standards and technology and the US naval observatory, I get into my national highway traffic safety administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal departments of transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the environmental protection agency, using legal tender issued by the federal reserve bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US postal service and drop the kids off at the public school.

After work I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to a house which has not burnt down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and fire marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department.

I then log on to the internet which was developed by the defense advanced research projects administration and post on freerepublic.com and fox news forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is bad because the government can't do anything right.

[Th1onein]

48. Fire hydrants.

eom

[Odin2005]

50. A lot of these things are not Socialist, they are State Capitalist.

Right-Wingers attacked them by calling them "Socialism" so people started thinking of them as "Socialist", that is not correct. "Socialism" means the control of the means of production by the workers. A welfare state is not inherently "Socialist" in the strict sense.

[ThomThom]

51. the commons

which is what government is suppose to protect

[iamthebandfanman]

53. me! n/t

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

55. It's funny!

Your thread only took about 10 posts to devolve off the subject.......... :o)

[Incitatus]

57. The US government. nt

[JI7]

58. the national anthem

[JI7]

59. clean water

[Shanti Mama]

61. Great idea. Maybe you should start over and

ask for things that the teabaggers should be aware of as similar to health care in its relationship to socialism. Then we could get to the real point, at least in my mind, which is working to educate them about the role of government in providing "socialist" services.

[dorkulon]

62. Me. nt

[riverdale]

64. The Alaska Permanent Fund

Pays each AK resident a check each year out of the state's oil revenues.

[wolfgangmo]

74. Families

Hard to get around that one - of course freepers might just make their kids pay as they go.

[salguine]

76. Mail delivery and trash pickup. Police and fire departments.