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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 10:29 PM
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Florida House gives itself a 4% raise instead of a 3% cut in pay.
Things just keep getting weirder here in this state.

Valerie Strauss of the Washington Post points out that if they are this inept...what will they end up doing to teachers as they pass bills to cut tenure and add merit pay?

She is right to be concerned, trust me.

Florida school reform: worse than you thought.

It would be funny if it weren’t so serious.

Look at the way the Republican-dominated Florida Legislature handles important issues, and it becomes easier to understand the lack of serious thought that has gone into its deeply misguided school reform plans.

The Florida House just passed a $67.2 billion spending bill that was supposed to cut legislator’s salaries by 3 percent. Somehow, the wording of the amendment written by House Majority Leader Adam Hasner of Delray Beach wound up giving them a 4 percent raise. Nobody figured out the mistake before the vote. Now, it is going to have to be resolved in negotiations between the House and Senate.

“It was a mistake,” Hasner was quoted as saying by the Palm Beach Post. “Things happen in this process.”

Such bumbling helps explain the march to pass legislation that teachers rightly see as an assault on their profession and public education.


And Strauss is so right on this point.

If the legislators are so inept that they vote to give themselves more money when they mean to do the opposite, how much hope is there of thoughtful analysis on other topics?


She links to a blogger who indicates that the Florida legislature may have overstepped the limits of their power in some of the education bills they are trying to pass which are punitive toward teachers.

Florida Senate overreaches on changes to regulation of teaching

Yesterday, the Florida Senate voted for Senate Bill 6, which would dramatically change the structure of teacher evaluation, contracts, pay, and licensure in the state. A few amendments were approved on the floor of the senate, but only three appear substantive, and the largest changes happened in committee, in part to address concerns about constitutionality for the initial bill.

As the Washington Post's Valerie Strauss has, most observers have focused on the evaluation, pay, and contract issues, and that's because the intent of the bill is to eliminate any form of tenure, to reorient evaluation around student test scores, and to eliminate the ability of school boards to pay teachers in part based on experience. For a variety of reasons, legislation such as SB 6 is policy overreaching, and as it has in several other ways in the past decade, Florida has gone far beyond any other state in education policy. In part because it is so hostile towards the Florida Education Association, I suspect that some observers will praise the senate even if this turns out to be horrid policy. That way lies Thrasymachus, and it's not pretty.

SB 6 is overreaching. Instead of reducing the protections of tenure, it eliminates all meaningful due process related to job security. Instead of mandating that student outcome data be a part of teacher evaluation, it requires that test scores form the majority of any teacher evaluation system. Instead of moderating the influence of job experience on pay, it completely prohibits any such factor being used.

As a result of this overreaching, school boards are going to be motivated to work with teachers unions on workarounds for most of these issues. For each area where school boards and union locals agree the state has gone too far, they'll figure out another way to provide for some job security, to moderate the effect of test scores on evaluations, or to create a legally defensible proxy for experience in salary structures and call it performance-based pay. It took me about 10 minutes to come up with a few mechanisms for these issues, and I'm not nearly as clever as highly-motivated union officials and superintendents. But as a result, you're going to see highly variable treatment of teachers across the state, which I don't think is the intent of legislators.

There is only one area where the state has an undisputed right to regulate teaching, either in Florida or elsewhere, and that's in licensure. Regardless of what happens in collective bargaining at the local level, any state can decide who has the right to be licensed as a teacher, and at least at first, the part of SB 6 that is least amenable to mediating influences is in the requirement that teachers demonstrate effectiveness to have their professional certifications renewed. Does that mean that it will be tied closely to test scores? That's what I fear.


Florida teachers are usually known for taking whatever is thrown their way. Now they are starting to speak out as their very careers are being threatened.

Advanced degrees and experience will no longer matter in Florida schools


Dozens of Polk educators line Edgewood Drive outside state Rep. Kelly Stargel's office to protest the proposed legislation. Armed with signs and wearing red shirts the group chanted, "Don't hurt teachers." Staff photo by COREY BECKMAN

Dozens of Polk educators lined Edgewood Drive outside state Rep. Kelly Stargel's office this morning to protest the proposed legislation. Armed with signs and wearing red shirts the group chanted, "Don't hurt teachers." Stargel was not at the office at the time of the protest.

..."Marianne Capoziello is the president of Polk's Education Association, which represents teachers in collective bargaining. She said the law basically devalues an educator's service and experience while putting all the emphasis on the success of a standardized test.

"This measure will tell teachers that their advance degrees don't matter, their years of experience don't matter, whether they choose to stay in the classroom doesn't matter, and a single test will determine whether they get pay or how they get paid," Capoziello said.



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DonCoquixote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 10:38 PM
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1. Sorry to say
This is no surprise. Florida is run by folks who think 1865 was too far forward.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 11:00 PM
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2. Yes, they are acting in scary ways.
They are attacking Crist, loving Rubio, ignoring common sense measures...appealing to the extremists.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 03:57 PM
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15. Teabagging rethugs do not give a shit if Rubio is corrupt as hell
They're on record saying they don't care about Rubio's ethical corruptness, they're voting for him because he's not a "liberal" like "Obama-loving" Charlie Crist. The Rubio campaign has all but called Crist a "n----- lover"
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unabelladonna Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 08:19 PM
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16. i moved to palm beach county a year ago
it's a very strange place (although i really do love it here).
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 11:31 PM
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3. Gummint run by the Dukes of Hazzard



Just one big ole Good ole Boys Club.

The hell with the little people.


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 12:10 AM
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4. There are lots of them in our area....
the good ole boys, that is.

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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 12:39 AM
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5. Sounds like that monopoly card
"bank error in your favor" collect (I forget how much).

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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 05:57 AM
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6. Florida's "Sunshine" good ol' boys network
a.k.a. "the government"
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 07:58 AM
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7. Noticed the "Sunshine laws" ain't so open anymore.
This bunch of Republicans in the legislature are concerned mostly about power. Their own power.
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katmondoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 08:23 AM
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8. The aftermath of Jebbie
The Bush deeds never end
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slater71 Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 09:36 AM
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9. Jeb still in charge
this has his finger prints all over it and now he has Thrasher to close the deal. If the teachers were supporters of the republican party they would never do anything like this and the public school system would be great.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 09:42 AM
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10. how inept
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 11:25 AM
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11. Exactly right.
And they don't even realize it.
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 11:39 AM
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12. Republicans are almost always bad at math
Firing math teachers makes them feel better about it.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 12:24 PM
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13. heh heh
:)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 03:53 PM
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14. White they get a 4% raise...children's programs fight for survival
http://www.tallahassee.com/article/20100404/BREAKINGNEWS/100404008/Children-s-programs-fighting-for-survival

"Like the lawmakers they lobby, state and local children’s advocates have their hands full this legislative session as they attempt to keep afloat programs serving children ages 0 to 5.

With legislators searching for ways to cut $600 million in health and social welfare programs, budget appropriations are the most disconcerting issues for advocates.

Those lobbying for children’s programs say that failing to pay now for services that establish the foundation of a child’s development will cost Floridians later with educational remediation, crime and poor health.

“Florida is imploding,” Whole Child Leon Executive Director Courtney Atkins said. “Citizens need to be a voice, and they need to be active and proactive by getting involved.”
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Optimistic Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 09:07 PM
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17. If True Conservatives
Were Honest, they will admit the Republicans are totally inept,
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 05:21 PM
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19. This bunch is tomorrow deciding the future of education in Florida.
And they don't even know if they are giving themselves a cut in pay or a raise.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 10:57 AM
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18. They are about to pass that terrible bill that will run teachers out of our state.
Not a very bright group.
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