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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:23 PM
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They've gotten brazen follks
and by the way if you are a believer, Happy Easter, (It is sadly part of the story)

So I went to the market to get my stuff and I decided to get a cup of coffee. Here is this older gentleman who takes a seat and just out of nowhere tells me how Matzah is made with blood of christian kids and how we should go hunt them down!

Now some of us have been around long enough to KNOW an anti-semite when we see one. So I confronted him on it, and he started regaling me on how Jews pray to demons... how the hell we went from praying to the father to demons I don't know. But if the father is a demon, well so is the son... no I did not go there. But I did think about it.

So I decided to go for the jugular. "Well far better than following rites that include human sacrifice and fertility rites that go back oh at least 3000 years. Are you also into snake handling?" (Ah the Temples of Ishtar included all these)

He got a tad miffled.

Oh and by the way, I guess you will be celebrating soon, the birthday of your hero, on the 29th... he got the connection REAL FAST, and walked away. I mean he almost started screaming, but thankfully he stood up and walked away... his fists clenched, his teeth clenched and his body shaking... I mean I did call him not exactly a Christian. And I came this close to outright calling him a nazi.

Now realize on the other table were sitting these two older people, one of them pulled up his shirt, and there for all to see you could see the numbers. He thanked me and said he wished more people confronted the animals back then.


By the way he never quite learned that I AM Jewish nominally and my dad survived the Holocaust, but damn they are getting brazen... and yes I can blame the current fringe media. Oh and I also realize that every time I confront one of these assholes I am taking my life into my own hands, before anybody asks why most people don't confront them. Alas if we are to retake the country I fear we need to do this more. And yes, there is a risk in doing this.

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yodoobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:25 PM
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1. grocery store line or gas station?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:27 PM
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3. Acttually coffee table
they sell coffee at that particular store, so you can actually get coffee and some light readying before you do your shopping. They have few tables so usually people ask to sit down with others.
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yodoobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:29 PM
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8. Ah. so much for my theory that
we could have alot more peace in this country if we had lefty gas station/grocery stores and right wing gas stations and grocers.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:30 PM
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9. There was a time when the fringes ON BOTH sides
did not dare say these things in public.

It was just not done.

Also we do have a chapter of the Nazi Party in this county.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 05:13 PM
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36. Now they have web sites
and friends in Congress and the media.
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yodoobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 05:37 PM
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38. agreed nt
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:26 PM
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2. Thank you for confronting him
I'm not Jewish but I would hope I would have done the same thing. Of course, I wouldn't have had Hitlers birthday available to me on the fly. That was impressive.
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LiberalLoner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:28 PM
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5. Big 2nd, thank you.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:27 PM
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4. matzoh has nowhere near a rich enough taste
to be made of blood.

i've drank blood. trust me on this.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:28 PM
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7. You know and I know that is not the point
blood libel goes back a LONG ways, to at least the 8th century.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:31 PM
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10. i know
i was being somewhat snarky

my matzoh brie kicks all levels of ass, fwiw.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:33 PM
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11. Me and Matzoh are no longer in talking terms
gluten allergy... so no pasta, no bread and no matzoh

On a serious note, blood does have a particular smell, been there, done that, as a medic... and that of drunks oh boy. Alcohol makes it quite disgusting
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:34 PM
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12. it's the iron iiuc
the smell doesn't bother me, but it is a singular smell

yes, and alcoholics blood does get an extra tangy smell

the blood of heroin addicts otoh gets as viscous as syrup.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:37 PM
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16. Yep, starting those IVs in overdoses
ah the memories...
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:45 PM
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24. I eat blodpølsa (a Scandanvian kind of blood pudding) on holidays and I agree.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 05:19 PM
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37. I love Portuguese blood sausage
I love the sweet smell and taste of it. :)
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 05:41 PM
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39. Especially "schmor" matzah (or however it's spelled)
It tastes really awful.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:28 PM
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6. Good for you!
If anyone has the courage, it's you.

You certainly have the presence of mind and the ability to think on your feet. Most of us don't...

K&R

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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:34 PM
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13. Well all of that went over my head
But you two appeared to be on the same wavelength.

:shrug:

-Hoot
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:37 PM
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15. The eggs that are part of Easter
go back to the fertility rites of the ancient Middle East. They stand for the maidens who worked the Temples of Ishtar. They also handled snakes at the Temples.

As to the 29th of April, that is Adolph Hitler's birthday, oh and the fact that he got BOTH means that he is part of a very radical right wing group here in the county. Yes the Nazis went there, with Ishtar.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:59 PM
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30. I thought Easter had Germanic origins.
Eostre?

I wouldn't have recognized nazi the linkage, good for you on calling him out.

-Hoot
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 05:02 PM
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33. It also has gemanic origins
that is the problem with many of our traditions and religions, the origins of them are far in the past, going back to at times several places in history. In some way the Catholic Church was an expert in appropriating local legends and customs. May Pole, Father Christmas, hell even the day of the dead in Mexico.

I was just way too particular on what part of the heritage I chose to refer to.
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 09:33 AM
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41. Nadin, I'm not trying to snark
Next time, if you encounter someone like this again, Hitler's birthday was April 20.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:35 PM
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14. Good for you!
You go girl

:thumbsup:
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:38 PM
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17. Bless people like you.......I'd have just kicked him in the balls.
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:38 PM
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18. "the birthday of your hero, on the 29th..." ???
Edited on Sun Apr-04-10 04:41 PM by Flubadubya
If this is a reference to Hitler, actually, his birthday was April 20. I know, it was also my mother's.

If you're referring to someone else, please forgive me, I didn't get it. :shrug:

ADDENDUM: Well, I see you already addressed this (probably as I was typing the above). At any rate, he was born April 20, and died April 30.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:41 PM
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20. They also celebrate on the 29th
I guess it is the whole thing about WACO, OKC and Hitler's both birth and death that always get me
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:46 PM
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25. Yeah, they've got all those "wacko" days stirred up...
I also understand the Columbine massacre was perpetrated on April 20 in acknowledgment of Hitler's birthday.

I'll never forget, I had just stopped to get my Mom flowers and gifts when I heard the news. What a bummer for a birthday celebration!
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:44 PM
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23. Jeez...you are right.
And that was MY mother's birthday, too.
I thought it indelicate to point that out to her, she had no sense of humor.
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:48 PM
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27. My Mom says her Dad always teased her about that...
and she was a teen/young adult in the early 40s when Hitler was at his worst.

Now my Mom could be a real "hell raiser" herself and they say my grandfather had a rather drole sense of humor.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:39 PM
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19. We can no longer let them get away with this garbage
They have to be confronted....

We have to come up with a way to battle the right wing talking heads they are spurning this garbage....not just against Jewish citizens but Blacks and Gays and others.

I am glad you stood toe to toe with him.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:42 PM
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22. realize this guy is on the REAL FRINGE
the one that is not usually tolerated, the fact that he felt "safe" to be that brazen... is dangerous.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:57 PM
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29. Agreed!
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:41 PM
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21. You smacked that bigot up good! (figuratively, of course)
:yourock:
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:48 PM
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26. Thanks for speaking up and confronting the bigotry.
If you hadn't said something, he might have taken it as tacit agreement which would have fed his we're-in-the-majority mindset. Thanks for denying him that fantasy.

We can't let it go.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:52 PM
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28. Thank you
I remember seeing those numbers on forearms all over Boston in the 60s and 70s, not so much in the 80s. They're on people who are very old and leaving us quickly.

Thank you for standing up to scum. I'm glad you were thanked so beautifully on the spot.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 05:00 PM
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31. It was actually surprising to be honest
but a few still remain.

Hell my dad is a survivor, but not of the camps, which leads to a whole slew of OTHER issues.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 05:09 PM
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34. I had no relatives left in eastern France
but my grandfather got family friends out in the 1930s. In fact, the doctor who delivered me was one he brought here and set up in practice.

The Holocaust touched more of us than the idiots will ever realize.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 05:02 PM
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32. I'm especially happy for the other man at the other table, the one with
the numbers on his skin. He'll remember you forever, and that's a good thing. Happy Passover to you and yours.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 05:11 PM
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35. so happy to hear that your dad was a survivor and so sad to hear that you
had to confront this human trash.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 09:28 AM
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40. I love it when people speak
to these Willfully Ignorant assholes. I applaud them...literally...when I overhear and give a Bravo and Encore as well.

I am one to speak up as well...and figure some jerk will shoot me for it. Just hope it's in the back and I don't see it coming.

Lately, I just don't want to deal with the public because they irk me so. The life of a hermit/recluse sounds so inviting...of course I would have animals around.
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