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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 04:26 PM Original message |
A request for fairness in reference to the Iraq video |
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aSpeckofDust (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
1. ... |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 04:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Again in the video you hear the pilot and the gunner talk about the van taking the weapons away |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 04:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. And again clearly in the video you could SEE THEY WERE LYING |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 04:50 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. What I saw were objects being carried that appeared to be an AK47 and an RPG |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:06 PM Response to Reply #17 |
66. Funny you would see that. |
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shedevil69taz (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:12 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Some of us do know it |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:37 PM Response to Reply #70 |
86. I understand that ~ and I feel for those who do know |
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shedevil69taz (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:21 PM Response to Reply #86 |
129. Don't feel sorry for me |
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lumpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:09 PM Response to Reply #17 |
210. The object being seen was a body. Get reading glasses. |
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coti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 04:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
16. They didn't go for any weapons- they went straight for the DYING MAN ON THE SIDEWALK. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. I did not see any children in the van prior to the Apache opening fire |
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coti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 04:57 PM Original message |
That there were children in the van only goes to the true intention of the men, |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
25. I wouldn't argue that the men in the van had good intentions |
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coti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:05 PM Response to Reply #25 |
33. An "impression" (would "wish" be a more accurate term?) for which there was zero evidence. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:14 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. You know it was Atticus Finch that once said |
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coti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:27 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. I did. I already gave them a pretty generous pass for killing the first group of men. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:59 PM Response to Reply #47 |
61. +1 |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:04 PM Response to Reply #47 |
110. did we have evidence that the school children in Hiroshima |
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coti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:15 PM Response to Reply #110 |
122. I'm not getting into this discussion, but those bombs were dropped |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:38 PM Response to Reply #122 |
132. in order to stop the war, and save thousands of lives innocents |
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coti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:41 PM Response to Reply #132 |
133. I agree with your point about the futility of war- which is why ending it quickly is the best thing |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:15 PM Response to Reply #133 |
141. I completely agree with you that the killing of civilians |
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lumpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:17 PM Response to Reply #110 |
212. We who are against these senseless wars don't own a damn |
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lumpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #44 |
211. Hey, those GIs were itching to fire...at anything. |
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coti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Bingo. |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
3. Ummm.... they killed *journalists* , unless I read it wrong. nt |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. There was nothing to assume, the audio made their beliefs and intentions quite clear |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. The audio made it clear they really liked killing people. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 04:49 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. That was a false statement |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #14 |
37. Laughing at someone getting shot is a show of compassion? |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:37 PM Response to Reply #14 |
50. The gunner begs the crawling wounded man to grab a weapon. So he can shoot him again. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:51 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. The hoping he would pick up a weapon so he could shoot him again doesn't bother me |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:56 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. There were no weapons in sight. Never were. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:01 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. It could be argued that hoping the wounded man picked up a weapon... |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:47 PM Response to Reply #53 |
91. The issue upthread was, did they have itchy trigger fingers and get off on killing |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:58 PM Response to Reply #91 |
99. There was no ambulance, watch the video THEN comment. |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:02 PM Response to Reply #99 |
106. I watched it all, gunslinger. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:06 PM Response to Reply #106 |
113. God help the civilians who issue orders and write the checks for this |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:54 PM Response to Reply #113 |
138. the poster sends no one anywhere, issued no orders, wrote no checks for arms. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:34 PM Response to Reply #138 |
177. No choice actually. You elect the men who made that happen. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:50 PM Response to Reply #177 |
180. you can walk away if you're willing to take the consequences. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 10:24 PM Response to Reply #180 |
185. Yep, fuck em. I deployed as part of IFOR / KFOR |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 10:43 PM Response to Reply #185 |
187. milosevich. another phoney us-sponsored war. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 10:47 PM Response to Reply #187 |
188. Like I said, After many years of reflection. Worth my time. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 10:59 PM Response to Reply #188 |
190. rwanda, another western-sponsored genocide. |
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taught_me_patience (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
5. I'll call as I see it |
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polly7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:50 PM Response to Reply #5 |
52. Bingo nt. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:00 PM Response to Reply #5 |
159. The AK47s and RPGs found at the scene did not pose a threat? |
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coti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
6. Killing the journalists was a mistake, a part of war. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #6 |
21. I didn't see any markings on the van to indicate it was an ambulance |
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coti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:03 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. That's true, and that's what really determines whether you should shoot someone. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:06 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. The way they were flying they couldn't fully determine the men's actions |
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coti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:18 PM Response to Reply #34 |
46. By any measure, that's not even close to good enough. |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:57 PM Response to Reply #46 |
60. Obviously because the appearance was he was escaping |
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coti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:07 PM Response to Reply #60 |
68. A dying, unarmed man being hauled into a van isn't cause for an execution. |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:18 PM Response to Reply #68 |
75. I'm not assuming anything |
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coti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:30 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. Of course. And I'm saying that, no matter what the assumption was, and no matter the |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:10 PM Original message |
I'd still rather wait until I know more to draw any conclusions |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:00 PM Response to Reply #34 |
62. The video covered the entire van episode. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 07:43 AM Response to Reply #30 |
216. that;s why we have RULES of war, of which the insurgents routinely ignore |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
7. Nope. Not even close. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Your rejection to the fairness request was the only thing "predictable" |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Fair and balanced. nt. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:13 PM Response to Reply #7 |
71. White House and Congress. Own it. |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
10. MASSACRE! n/t |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
15. Really? |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
18. Well this is bloody predictable. Here's a newsflash for you. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 04:53 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. and while you are entitled to your own opinion you are not entitled to your own facts |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 04:55 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Deleted message |
ArcticFox (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:07 PM Response to Reply #19 |
36. Your own facts are wrong |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:10 PM Response to Reply #19 |
42. I bloody well was honest. You can add the word please all you want but the fact that you |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
23. I just gave this topic its first un-recommend. |
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VMI Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
24. Fair and balanced as usual. |
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quinnox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
26. cool down, this was on Bush's watch |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:02 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. You are mistaken in your assumptions. I am asking that people not |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
27. K&R |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
29. A new low |
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ArcticFox (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
31. In fairness, what you've written is wrong |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:07 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Where did you get the helicopter's range from? |
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ArcticFox (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:12 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. Still misinformation |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:27 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. I think you're off on the distance, most likely those numbers were in feet |
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ArcticFox (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:54 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. Impossible. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:29 PM Response to Reply #55 |
79. This tech paper of the system indicates the maximum range of the laser ranger finder |
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ArcticFox (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:06 PM Response to Reply #48 |
67. Muzzle velocity |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 07:47 AM Response to Reply #43 |
217. you don't understand what "armored" means |
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ArcticFox (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 08:25 AM Response to Reply #217 |
219. Dude, you're totally off the mark here |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
32. Then Call For An Investigation !!! - Just Like We Did For My Lai !!! |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. To wait until after the investigation is quite reasonable |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:43 PM Response to Reply #38 |
51. There isn't going to BE an investigation. Don't you check the news before you start spewing talking |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:37 PM Response to Reply #32 |
178. ...and 9/11.....and the JFK/RFK/MLK murders.....and.... ah fuck it. |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
39. BOOOOOOOOO!!!!! |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
40. this is what happens when people are at war- |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:10 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Very well said! |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:15 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Bullfuckingshit. I don't accept responsibility for what happens. They are NOT doing it on my behalf. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:14 PM Response to Reply #45 |
72. and what are you doing to stop this? my tax dollars are funding this- |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:56 PM Response to Reply #72 |
98. There is not one fucking thing I can realistically do to stop this and you know it. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:15 PM Response to Reply #98 |
123. the key word in your reply is |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:50 PM Response to Reply #123 |
137. you own it then. i don't, & won't. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:24 PM Response to Reply #137 |
143. if telling yourself helps you to sleep at night |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:32 PM Response to Reply #143 |
146. lol.. you have no clue. i sleep just fine. perhaps it's yourself with insomnia. |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:53 PM Response to Reply #123 |
153. Maybe you are determined to feel guilty for something you didn't do. I sure am not. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 10:20 PM Response to Reply #153 |
184. just remember that when you feel proud of things you didn't do- |
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polly7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:55 PM Response to Reply #40 |
57. War was never declared on the people of Iraq. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:21 PM Response to Reply #57 |
77. war was never declared on Vietnam either- did that change anything? |
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polly7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:17 PM Response to Reply #77 |
125. It's not a word game. WAR should never be used to mean anything |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:22 PM Response to Reply #125 |
130. sorry Polly7 but there is no "war" |
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polly7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:27 PM Response to Reply #130 |
145. No, it's never ok. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:50 PM Response to Reply #145 |
151. you want to call it occupation? go right ahead- that doesn't change |
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polly7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 07:55 AM Response to Reply #151 |
196. I forgot my sarcasm smilie. on that last post, sorry, I thought it would |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:45 PM Response to Reply #40 |
134. i have no fucking responsibility for what's going on in iraq. none, zero, zip. |
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lumpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:38 PM Response to Reply #40 |
213. I'll be damned if I will share responsibilty for these atrocities. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
49. they LIED up the chain of command to justify murder, which they whooped and enjoyed.... |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
54. The gunner and pilot who fired on the mini van knew they weren't firing on armed insurgents. |
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chat_noir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
56. agree with... |
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Jokerman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
59. It WAS murder. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:17 PM Response to Reply #59 |
74. Nope, fraid not. Unless one of those guys put a guy on his knees, zip tied, and shot him |
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Jokerman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:43 PM Response to Reply #74 |
87. The entire operation is a crime. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:53 PM Response to Reply #87 |
93. I , I thought you meant real crime. Like the kind that can be prosecuted |
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Jokerman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 08:28 AM Response to Reply #93 |
200. How convenient. |
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polly7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
64. Request for a fair consideration of all circumstances |
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Agony (865 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
65. No, this is a time when the courage of those like Camilo Mejía needs recognition. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
69. Civilians sign the orders and write the check. So please stop throwing MURDER |
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branders seine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
73. Emboldened by 'The Surge,' these highly trained, but poorly educated |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:18 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. and in normandy.. You fight a war this happens |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:34 PM Response to Reply #76 |
84. .... |
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branders seine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:59 PM Response to Reply #76 |
100. frequently killing civilians (especially when it is such a clear pattern) |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:01 PM Response to Reply #100 |
104. Yep, dresden is not burning, that is not tokyo.. |
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branders seine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:06 PM Response to Reply #104 |
112. war is hell. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:09 PM Response to Reply #112 |
116. Not if you think they are armed, and not by any international law |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
78. Yeah, what's with calling folks murderers when they engaged in war crimes. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:31 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Do you appreciate that in their minds every enemy that gets away |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
82. THIS IS MURDER!!! |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:34 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. It happened in 2007, but then again you blame President Obama for |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:34 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. Obama is continuing this slaughter. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:47 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. The FACTS show you blame President Obama for events that happened in 2007 |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:56 PM Response to Reply #89 |
97. Your spewing of administration talking points and propaganda |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:50 PM Response to Reply #83 |
92. And you think everything Obama does is spotless. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:00 PM Response to Reply #92 |
103. You falsely blame President Obama for fictional increases in Iraqi Drone attacks |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:09 PM Response to Reply #103 |
115. I didn't say anything about Iraq. Where did I say anything about Iraq? |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:11 PM Response to Reply #115 |
118. This topic is a discussion of Iraq, you didn't specify anything different |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:18 PM Response to Reply #118 |
127. delete - dupe |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:19 PM Response to Reply #118 |
128. Post #82 |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
88. Lt. Col. Shaffer on Dylan Ratigan show today: 'Were rules of engagement followed?' 'No' |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:49 PM Response to Reply #88 |
150. The Col was mistaken according to two different army reports |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 06:48 AM Response to Reply #150 |
192. That is your most densely stupid statement on this so far. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:44 AM Response to Reply #150 |
205. And the army never lies (Pat Tilman for one). |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:47 PM Response to Original message |
90. I haven't seen the video but I do have an opinion |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
94. That's bullshit. It was excess. |
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laststeamtrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
95. "...defense of our nation." How does THAT work? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
96. I haven't watched the video yet. |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:59 PM Response to Reply #96 |
101. Yeah that part about the Bradley running over a dead body. Good laugh. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:02 PM Response to Reply #101 |
108. Dont hang out with E-med doctors. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:04 PM Response to Reply #101 |
111. You mean this part? |
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coti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:01 PM Response to Reply #96 |
105. You're going to have some trouble defending the van shooting. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:03 PM Response to Reply #105 |
109. Like I said, I haven't watched the video yet. |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:10 PM Response to Reply #96 |
117. Rules of engagement were not followed. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:18 PM Response to Reply #117 |
126. I wouldn't be surprised. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:59 PM Response to Reply #126 |
157. 2 separate investigations confirm the fact that there were weapons |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
102. Carrying guns in Iraq does not mean a damn thing. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:13 PM Response to Reply #102 |
140. that was my impression. some posters seem to think carrying a gun makes you an |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
107. Screw that.It is murder.Linguistic and mental gymnastics won't change that. |
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whatchamacallit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
114. All I wanna know is |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
119. nothing is 'fair' in war, everything about it is EVIL - FYI |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:12 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. War is hell no doubt about it. |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
121. i'm mad at war. it's fucked beyond belief and humans persist in engaging in it. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:17 PM Response to Reply #121 |
124. Can't agree with you |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
131. We should also be mad at Obama for keeping these guys in that siruation - imagine how they will |
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JonLP24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
135. It's ok to pass judgment |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
136. Not when they fired on the van. It was clear that there were no weapons. |
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JonLP24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
139. There is a lot of talk about them not having weapons |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:19 PM Response to Reply #139 |
142. +100 |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
144. Wore a uniform, thanks, and I call it clear ROE violations...you know, war crimes. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
147. They confused cameras for weapons and then they fired on unarmed citizens |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:47 PM Response to Reply #147 |
148. They were armed |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:50 PM Response to Reply #148 |
152. That's not in the video |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:56 PM Response to Reply #152 |
154. 2 separate investigations confirm the fact that there were weapons |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:00 PM Response to Reply #154 |
158. Link? |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:31 PM Response to Reply #158 |
175. You can get it here |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:16 PM Response to Reply #154 |
171. Investigations by who? |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:31 PM Response to Reply #171 |
176. See for yourself |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 10:18 PM Response to Reply #176 |
183. I'm not going to root through all that. If you can't answer a simple question with a simple |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
149. Removed by author |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:57 PM Response to Reply #149 |
155. The ground troops found small arms and RPGs at the scene |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 10:08 PM Response to Reply #155 |
182. Having found the site with the actual reports... |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 08:07 AM Response to Reply #155 |
197. I take it you've never heard of a 'throw gun' |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
156. Pilots' insensitive comments about "bringing your kids to a fire fight" sinks it for any fairness |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:02 PM Response to Reply #156 |
160. 2 separate investigations found that there were weapons at the scene |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:04 PM Response to Reply #160 |
162. You have been asked multiple times to source this claim. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:05 PM Response to Reply #162 |
163. . |
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Vickers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:14 PM Response to Reply #163 |
168. Why all the name-calling, Tekisui? You can make your point without |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:15 PM Response to Reply #168 |
169. . |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:30 PM Response to Reply #162 |
173. You can get the redacted reports from CENCOM through this thread |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:30 PM Response to Reply #162 |
174. here |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:49 AM Response to Reply #160 |
206. Right because the Pentagon NEVER covers its ass. |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:09 PM Response to Reply #160 |
209. Weapons at the scene is irrelevant to the pilots' response and lack of remorse about killing kids. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
161. Deleted message |
chollybocker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
164. Thanks for your apologizing. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:08 PM Response to Reply #164 |
165. Deleted message |
chollybocker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:25 PM Response to Reply #165 |
172. Self-delete, then. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
166. Deleted message |
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butterfly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
170. They were itching to kill... |
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titoresque (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:43 PM Response to Reply #170 |
179. yep, just watched a video on youtube |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 10:36 PM Response to Reply #179 |
186. Throwing rocks at the helicopters? I missed something |
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hulka38 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
181. Your thought process is remarkably flawed. |
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protocol rv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
189. A little late to fix those corpses, isn't it? |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
191. You know, when I was thinking who would be one of the first DU apologists out of the gate |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 06:54 AM Response to Reply #191 |
193. . |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 06:57 AM Response to Reply #191 |
194. no kidding |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 08:12 AM Response to Reply #191 |
198. Considering two reports cleared the men's actions and RPGs and small arms were found |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:39 AM Response to Reply #198 |
204. Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman were two other "reports" by military. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 11:30 AM Response to Reply #198 |
208. Yes, military reports have cleared lots of guilty men, at least initially |
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BakedAtAMileHigh (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:43 PM Response to Reply #198 |
215. there's just no fooling you! |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 09:23 AM Response to Reply #191 |
201. Let's just say this is the least surprising thread on DU right now. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 09:31 AM Response to Reply #201 |
202. True. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:59 AM Response to Reply #201 |
207. Even some of the Dungeon-ers have been out to 'defend' |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 07:43 AM Response to Original message |
195. God, how could I have guessed you'd be defending it? |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 08:15 AM Response to Reply #195 |
199. Weapons were found and combat was ongoing in the area |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
203. Depraved Indifference.... |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
214. Fair and subscribe to your interpretation of events |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 07:54 AM Response to Reply #214 |
218. "...fair is to accept a message that defies our own lying eyes." |
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