The problem with splitting the United States into two countries

[quinnox]

I have been thinking about this, how the country has been so sharply divided between the republicans and the Democrats, its almost become violent. The Tea baggers keep egging people on and they want to have a revolution apparently.

I think both sides can agree, we don't like the other, we don't need them. So I would be pleased to have a country full of liberals and progressives and all those who lean towards this ideal like Greens and other small elements on the left.

And the republicans would have their own country and their right wing militia extremists, neo nazis and the KKK and so on, all those people who sympathize with the right.

But it would at first seem like a paradise for those on the left. No more idiotic right wingers to deal with in our congress. Universal government run health care. A living wage for everyone. New and vigorous help for the downtrodden in the society like the homeless and drug addicts. Basically a society that cares about the people, not just the rich.

Here is the problem, the big issue... the right wing country would see they are a giant failure compared to the economic success and the high standard of living the liberal country would no doubt enjoy, and they would invade our liberal paradise!

The right wing country would have abject poverty, illiteracy would go up, economic well being would fall rapidly and most everyone would live a poor meager existence except for a handful at the very top, and they would live like a King does in Saudi Arabia.

So they would do the only thing they know how to do well and that is make guns and build an army to try and take us over to steal our resources and our success!

That is why I think ultimately the United States divided into two countries would fail, a war between the two countries would begin started by the right wingers who would be living in misery in their country.

[LetsgoWings13]

1. As long as i live on your side ill be chillin by the beach! :)

[SocialistLez]

2. Can we put up a big fence

like the right-wingers want to do for Hispanics?

The minute people start talking about bringing down the minimum wage, destroying the social safety net...they'll be deported.

That should solve it, right?

I say SOME of this in jest.....

[Vickers]

3. Fuck them, they can go to some other place and make it their hellhole.

This is my country, the whole goddam thing.

[Ozymanithrax]

4. You can't have a country full of liberals or conservatives...

Demographic studies show every place in the U.S.A a blend. In some areas, the left has an advantage of numbers. In other , the right. No matter how you decide to draw the line, you will have a lot of people pissed off and quite possibly willing to do something violent.

I suspect any breakup of he U.S.A. will be violent, and the various nations will be itching to expand their control.

[louis-t]

5. And they'd STILL blame Dems for their problems.

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[tammywammy]

7. No thank you.

We're not all Tea-baggers down here. BTW, did you know Bill White (D) has a great chance at being elected governor this year?

[4lbs]

10. I hope he does, then all this secessionist talk can go into the background.

It always amuses me when there is talk of secession, and the people who say it don't realize the full scope of what it would entail.

[tammywammy]

11. The secessionist talk is already in the background n/t

[Cleita]

8. I think it would be good to break up the power structure.

Right now so much power is centered in Washington that there is no way to challenge it. What if there was another nation to the West founded on similar principles but controlling the same amount of wealth and military might? Not a Tea Party country or a hippie country, but one split up the middle on the continental divide containing elements of both. I think clowns like the PNACers and their preemptive wars, torture and laissez faire economic policies would be more hesitant to throw their weight around the world if there was a neighbor on their border that didn't approve of their fascism and maybe could ally with Canada to put on some leverage to help keep the Eastern USA in place.

[KonaKane]

9. I've thought for some time that we need to split into five countries

At least. There is a cultural/political affinity that unites those basic five areas, which are roughly New England, The South, The Mid West, The Northwest coast and the Southwest.

[Aristus]

12. If Right-Wing Nation X tried to invade Liberal Nation, I can envision every progressive nation

in the world coming over to help us out. Canada, the UK, France, Germany, Denmark, Belgium, Norway, Sweden, New Zealand, etc. I think socially conservative nations like India and Mexico would help us out due to support for democracy (do you really think right-wing nation X will be a democracy?). Right-wing, right-leaning and libertarian nations like Finland, Poland, Italy, etc. would not help out R-WNX unless they could be guaranteed a win. Either Israel or Saudi Arabia would come to the rescue of R-WNX, but not both together. And if Israel did use their military forces in support of R-WNX, the entire Arab world would either remain neutral, or help us out.

[griffi94]

13. I didn't know splitting the US into 2 countries

was even on the table.
It will never happen. Way too much money involved. Folks on the left who have fantasies about a great progressive utopian nation are as deluded as the right wingers who have fantasies about a nation of rugged individualists and a utopian conservative nation that harks back to a time that only ever existed in their imaginations.

[quinnox]

16. yea, I tend to agree

That makes sense.

[TorchTheWitch]

14. worthless to bother thinking about

It would never happen. A bloody long ghastly war was fought over this already and in that one it actually had some geographical sense.

[quinnox]

17. it was idle speculation only

You make a good point about the civil war having geographical sense, that is true.

[cali]

15. this is just stupid.

seriously wanking stupid.

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[AlinPA]

18. I think we would end up with the most advanced education and medical care, They

would not want to pay for all those "socialist" universities and "pointee headed inalectuools" who develop all the medicines and 'lectric things like cell phones.

[damntexdem]

19. And who would get custody of the colonies?

I mean, the RW country shouldn't get Puerto Rico, because they RWers only believe in speaking English. But what about the Virgin Islands? Wouldn't the religious right jump to conclusions and think everyone was asexual there -- a RW religious paradise?

;-)

[HockeyMom]

20. Red/Blue Bush/Kerry Map

Remember that? It DID exactly show the divide between Liberal/Conservative, Wealthy/Poor, etc., etc., parts of the country. You had the Northeast, Upper Midwest, and West Coast versus the South and places in between. They still venerate the Confederate flag in the South, even here in Florida. They are still fighting the CIVIL WAR and cannot get over losing. There is also a major CULTURAL divide in the Bible Belt. It isn't just one thing, but so many.

I hope I am out of Florida (hate it) and back to my native New York when/if it ever comes to this. I do wish, though, to thank the Latino, Black/Caribbean, and Jewish communities for getting it together and at least giving Florida to Obama. Believe me, without them, it would not have happened.

[lumberjack_jeff]

21. How about we just run this country? n/t

[iris27]

22. Here's my problem with all the "they want secession, let 'em go" talk that

pops up from time to time...how well did that work for India and Pakistan?

As long as we're one country bitching internally at one another, at least very, very few people ever end up DEAD over politics (yes, some -- Tiller, arguably the OKC bombing, etc.). As two countries, what is now merely badly-spelled signs and crazies spitting on Congressmen could likely become all-out war, with all the devastation it brings, right here on our soil.

There's an alternate history author, Harry Turtledove, who wrote a series of books beginning with the idea that the Confederacy won the Civil War, first by *not* losing a key strategy memo that in real history was picked up by the Union, and secondly by England and France eventually allying with the Confederacy for their cotton, in exchange for their abandonment of slavery. The USA and the CSA then end up on opposite sides of EVERY ensuing war, including WW1 and WW2 (with the US as an Axis power, hating England and France for having sided with the Confederates). Pearl Harbor was devastation enough. Can you imagine continual fighting on our soil throughout the whole of both world wars?

I'm tired of these unhinged right-wing assholes, too, but I'd much rather shake my head at their insanity on the news than face them down with my 12-gauge.

[butterfly77]

24. Once all that happens...

then some of their citizens would be begging to our part. The rest of the nuts would be trying to overthrow our country..

[DonCoquixote]

25. Three reasons why breaking up is a bad idea

Their names are China, Russia and India. Add in the fact that Brazil is gaining strength, and that the EU looks like they are slowly pulling off the impossible (provided London, Berlin and Paris can stop fighting over who is first among equals.) Add to this that the Office of Islamic States can slowly become a more effective "world power" bloc than the U.N., as you will have ample funding plus a united ideology. Anyone who doubts this needs to see a documentary called "Bloody cartoons" which shows how ideologues (note I say ideologues, as they do NOT represent all Muslims by a long shot) mobilized to rock Denmark over the "Bomb" cartoon.

The point is, the rest of the world is learning to organize, despite the best efforts of the media to keep us confused. If we do not stay together, we will be pushed around by blocs that can and will use their numbers effectively.