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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 11:51 AM Original message |
FL bill forbids teachers from earning salary based on advanced degrees or credentials. |
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ananda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
1. Boy we live in a mean nasty world. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 11:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
67. Mean and stupid. |
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bookman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:01 AM Response to Reply #67 |
115. I second the... |
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clarasanta (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
90. Who do they think will look for careers in teaching |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
2. Hey, a lot of school districts around the country needs good teachers with good credentials. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Can't you just see teachers banging down doors to get jobs in Florida? |
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meeshrox (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. I wonder if those New Yorkers will be so willing to move down here now... |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #2 |
15. A lot of people are stuck here. |
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corpseratemedia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
3. "Florida: Vacation Here, Just Don't Live Here." |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
5. Florida teachers, get out of that pigsty state and let them dig themselves out of their own hole. |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
6. What fucking horseshit... |
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HillbillyBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
7. Floridiaitis strikes again |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:39 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. It started sinking in the middle of the state. |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
9. So a principal, many if not most of them stupid or malicious, can take away a teacher's |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
10. The brainwashing has been very successful |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 04:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
32. You are right. Other states will do this. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 07:23 PM Response to Reply #32 |
48. Act surprised, or applaud? |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
11. A PhD doesn't necessarily increase earning power |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Well, you can rest assured it won't matter anymore in Florida. |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. I'd think that experience should matter |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. You have got to be kidding me. Or else just trying to get a reaction. |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Do doctors or nurses or pharmacists improve for more than 10 years of practice? |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 03:07 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Every year though Florida teachers get a new class room full of kids |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 06:54 PM Response to Reply #27 |
46. People in the arts are as creative as they will ever be be age 35? |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 06:14 AM Response to Reply #46 |
76. "ill informed. " Ha! That's being generous. |
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Bradical79 (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #76 |
86. +1000! |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 09:17 PM Response to Reply #27 |
63. Absolutely. |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:18 PM Response to Reply #27 |
66. i think you need to read up a bit before posting stuff like that |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. Well the Florida Legislature says neither education OR experience will count |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:57 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. It is meant to irritate. I intend to ignore it. |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. Liberal arts majors starting salary offers are down 11% since last year |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:12 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. America, where education matters little. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
12. BTW Florida came in 4th in the Race to the Top |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 12:25 AM Response to Reply #12 |
68. Obama seems intent on passing a whole slew of Republican ideas and policy. From |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 05:57 AM Response to Reply #12 |
101. I've read the applications for FL, TN, and DE once. |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
14. Thus removing any incentive... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Exactly right. |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
18. They will find very few teachers saying "hey FL sounds like a great place to go work" |
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14thColony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
19. I see the war on education is going very well |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. My thought exactly... |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:35 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. I seriously doubt this country has as future. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 05:41 PM Response to Reply #19 |
34. Yes, it is. |
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14thColony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 06:04 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. A thought if you'll indulge me... |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 06:35 PM Response to Reply #37 |
45. You're right. n/t |
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reality2050 (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 07:23 PM Response to Reply #37 |
93. They use to segregate by color now they plan on doing it with religion. |
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14thColony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:20 AM Response to Reply #93 |
98. Yes SB 2126 does seem to be key to the plan |
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Kat45 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
25. There is no way they should lose their teaching certificate |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
26. Just called my Representative's office - they recommend contacting |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
33. my head just exploded |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
35. So now their pay will be based on the same dumb ass politicians who pass the bill |
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lpbk2713 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
36. Clearly their goal is mediocrity. |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 06:05 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. If that's their target I think they overshot.. (nt) |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
39. As someone at the opposite side of the continent I'm wondering what happened to the teacher unions? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 06:14 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Not really. You just hijack them by putting your own leaders at the top. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
41. I am waiting for this post to be ridiculed as well. |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
42. Once again, good luck finding the "brightest and the best." n/t |
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LibDemAlways (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
43. Pretty obvious the idiots who cooked this misguided bill up have never |
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Chemical Bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
44. Why should teachers be smarter than their students? |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
47. This will give some students extraordinary power over their teachers. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
49. Get. Out. Now. |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
50. Teachers.net message board has a forum for Florida teachers |
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etherealtruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
51. WTF |
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lib2DaBone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
52. Over 50% of Real Estate Tax Bills in Fla are School Board Taxes and levys... |
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corpseratemedia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 08:16 PM Response to Reply #52 |
96. +1 |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
53. This bill is designed to make it easier for private schools to hire teachers. |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 08:19 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. And they'll still pay shit to their teachers. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 08:21 PM Response to Original message |
55. they shouldn't |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 08:23 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Then call me a nitwit. Disparage education. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 08:41 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. I'm not disparaging education |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 08:50 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. You can't define "performance" when it comes to education. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 08:58 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Well said. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 08:59 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. so how do you define based on degrees? |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 06:32 AM Response to Reply #62 |
77. Absolutely correct, dear Skittles! |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 07:40 AM Response to Reply #62 |
82. It's a matter peculiar to academia, not just education. |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 07:11 AM Response to Reply #82 |
102. How do you protect the public from harm? |
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14thColony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 03:41 AM Response to Reply #59 |
71. Hit the nail right on the head |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 07:32 AM Response to Reply #58 |
80. It certainly does seem that you're disparaging education. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 05:47 AM Response to Reply #55 |
74. You're judging by your own anecdotal experience |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
57. Florida, the first school-less state. |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #57 |
89. They arrogantly believe there will be thousands and thousands of teachers |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
61. All Children Left Behind. All Teachers Left Behind, too. |
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tooeyeten (441 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
64. No experience or furthering education means... |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
65. the race to the bottom, teaching version! bust the unions, denigrate skills & exp, hire scabs |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 12:52 AM Response to Original message |
69. The Florida State Legislature's motto: |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 12:54 AM Response to Original message |
70. Florida Repigs are some of the most disgusting POS in this country |
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14thColony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 04:15 AM Response to Original message |
72. It's not that they don't understand the impact, it's that they don't care |
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Daphne08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 04:59 AM Response to Original message |
73. Teachers will simply leave the profession or move |
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MJJP21 (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 05:50 AM Response to Original message |
75. I don't agree |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 07:02 AM Response to Reply #75 |
78. Wow, are you ever... misinformed |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 07:23 AM Response to Original message |
79. Florida: Racing to The Bottom |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 07:36 AM Response to Original message |
81. As a parent with four kids deeply invested in this school system... |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 08:00 AM Response to Original message |
83. Maddy, I think you are misnamed. It appears from your posts that |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 06:36 PM Response to Reply #83 |
91. heh heh |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 08:06 AM Response to Original message |
84. I truly have no more words for this. |
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marew (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
85. I am a retired FL teacher. |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. +1,000 n/t |
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BulletproofLandshark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
87. I'm so happy my niece will be leaving that shithole in June. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
92. Teachers want to ensure they remain as stupid as possible of course... |
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LetsgoWings13 (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
94. thats messed up. |
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npk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
95. Dear teachers in Florida. I would get the FUCK out as fast as I could |
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RockaFowler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 08:36 PM Response to Original message |
97. Do tell me . . . |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 05:49 AM Response to Reply #97 |
99. One kid in 10th---one in 9th and one in 6th |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 07:33 AM Response to Reply #97 |
104. It didn't seem to matter in Central Falls, did it? |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 05:52 AM Response to Original message |
100. There are almost 50,000 facebook fans to stop this bill... |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 07:23 AM Response to Original message |
103. There is a hugh racist part of the Florida bill... |
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lazarus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 05:44 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. +1 |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 08:59 PM Response to Reply #103 |
108. Good point. |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
105. What a slap in the face to hardworking teachers |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
107. Looks like a mix of good ideas and totally short-sighted ones. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:19 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. Did you know it takes 3 years to get tenure in Florida? |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:46 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. Only three years? Yikes. |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:57 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. "Tenure" isn't a lifetime job. I wish people would quit believing this shit. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:23 PM Response to Reply #111 |
114. Wow. |
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bookman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:14 AM Response to Reply #114 |
116. Sounds like many administrators |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:23 PM Response to Reply #110 |
112. Amazing. And your thoughts seem to be in the majority here at DU |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:18 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. I hold people who think they are *above accountability* in contempt, yes. |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 06:24 AM Response to Original message |
117. Urge Gov. Crist to veto this bill! |
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