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newtothegame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:23 PM Original message |
A naieve question: why are businesses, namely corporations, supposed to pay taxes? |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
1. Well SCOTUS says that corporations are persons now, so they should be paying even more taxes. |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 07:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
91. No court has ever declared anything other than a human being to be a human being. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 07:53 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. "Human being" or "person." May not be a difference to you, but there is in tax law. |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 07:59 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. they have not be declared a person either. They have to pay income taxes but they aren't persons |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
2. Because they receive tax breaks and legislative boosts to help them succeed nt |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
42. not to mention that depending on the industry, |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
3. They drain resources |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
4. your premises are mistaken. |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
16. wow...that was helpful... |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 06:58 PM Response to Reply #16 |
82. the sound of your lack of reply |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 07:08 PM Response to Reply #16 |
84. Businesses don't pay taxes on the money they pay to their employees. |
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theophilus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 07:32 PM Response to Reply #16 |
87. No, that was just another HannahBell Lecture. n/t |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #4 |
30. I was expecting more of a response especially from you. n/t |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 05:41 PM Response to Reply #30 |
77. figures... n/t |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 04:38 AM Response to Reply #30 |
96. I thought it was pretty obvious. Businesses aren't taxed on all their income, |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 05:09 PM Response to Reply #4 |
75. . |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
5. There was a time when businesses paid all the taxes |
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newtothegame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. But a "business" is just a group of people. Why tax the organization when you can tax... |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #12 |
26. Taxes only work when you tax those with the greatest assets |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:20 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. The OP question is why not simply tax the wealthy? |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:56 PM Response to Reply #31 |
46. Corporations use more government resources than individuals |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Taxing the shareholder is taxing the corporations. |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Taxing the shareholders is taxing the retirement funds of many Americans |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #48 |
59. But, when corporations have too much cash laying around, |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #12 |
40. Okay. Let's see the benefits. Then we'll talk tax breaks. |
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Born_A_Truman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #12 |
58. I am an owner of a corporation |
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W_HAMILTON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 07:52 AM Response to Reply #12 |
101. Technically, no. |
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la_chupa (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
6. it depends on how they're structured |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
7. Because businesses, like individuals, have *income* and as a nation we have decided |
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tosh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
8. Okay... |
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newtothegame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. But the business is actually a group of people. |
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tosh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. A business is an entity |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
29. the 'business' sits on property and uses common resources like roads and water, too, right? |
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rfranklin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. In most cases the businesses pay property taxes, either directly or... |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #34 |
50. Yes, but do those taxes cover the costs of roads and other infrastructure needed? |
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rfranklin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 03:16 PM Response to Reply #50 |
61. Yes...as much so as any home owner's property taxes... |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 03:43 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Are you sure the taxes are equivalent between businesses and home owners? |
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rfranklin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 06:24 PM Response to Reply #64 |
80. Because they never end up paying the taxes... |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 07:50 PM Response to Reply #80 |
92. Yes, they do. |
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rfranklin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 09:26 AM Response to Reply #92 |
103. No they don't...educate yourself |
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Cal Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #14 |
47. But it doesn't operate as a group of people |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
9. Do those corporations benefit from the protection of US law? |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
10. Without taxing profit, you encourage profit |
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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Using your "logic" not taxing Labor would be an incentive to work harder.. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. I dont understand how you can come up with that whatsoever |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #10 |
32. He isn't saying don't tax shareholders. |
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newtothegame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
52. EXACTLY what I'm saying. Post #37 got it right too. nt |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #32 |
65. Then you are levying tax that isn't proportional to economic activity |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 07:14 PM Response to Reply #10 |
85. +1 n/t |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
11. For their disproportionate impact on the Commons.... |
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SocialistLez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. +1 |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #11 |
43. +1 |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
15. Because they profit by free use of our public infrastructure |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:48 PM Response to Reply #15 |
45. Exactly! |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
20. How persons pay their taxes. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
21. Let me simplify this. |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
22. Just for starters..... |
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newtothegame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. What theory imploded? I asked the question specifically because I didn't know the answer... |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. You cannot ask an Innocent question on DU. |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:34 PM Response to Reply #28 |
38. "if you don't know what your motive is, someone will explain it to you" |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:26 PM Response to Reply #23 |
35. Jeff is pointing out that your statement is based on a false assumption. n/t |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 05:01 AM Response to Reply #22 |
97. What about the employer's half |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 06:02 AM Response to Reply #97 |
100. Yes. And that's not taxable as income either. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:25 AM Response to Reply #22 |
106. it appears you are wasting your breath on the OP |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
24. Because they use the infrastructure |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #24 |
57. I would go one step farther |
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EC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
25. They sit on taxable property usually |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
27. To pay for services. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
33. Because without the social and municipal community they cannot exist. |
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newtothegame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Why don't we just put more taxes on the PEOPLE who make money off that business? nt |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. They need to be providing enough benefit to offset their tax breaks. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 03:33 PM Response to Reply #41 |
63. Perfect example, Boeing moving to Chicago. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #36 |
62. Or how about taxing all income as income, period. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 04:04 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. +1000 nt |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
37. Corporation tax arguably should be abolished |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:48 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. but they pay next to nothing now, comparatively speaking |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:21 PM Response to Reply #44 |
54. some do (mainly few big ones) and most don't (smaller ones with less resources to game system). |
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newtothegame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #37 |
49. That's EXACTLY what I'm saying. nt |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 05:18 AM Response to Reply #37 |
98. Nice theory, but wrong |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
39. They are supposed to pay taxes in order to contribute to the infrastructure |
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newtothegame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #39 |
51. WTF? Again, you're talking about business like it lives and breathes. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Well, if the rich people behind it have figured all the loopholes to keep their effective tax rate |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. Pay to play baby |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 07:33 PM Response to Reply #51 |
88. The businesses enjoy corporate personhood, they should pay for it. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
60. Because corporations do NOT pay all of their income out as dividends. |
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beardown (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #60 |
69. Same basic issue happens to people too. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 04:29 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. I don't think you understood my point. |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
66. Because they use publicly funded services, like the courts to enforce their contracts, |
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beardown (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
67. Wrong question. |
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TransitJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
70. Because they steal from the commons and leave their 'externalities' for real humans to suffer. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
71. A) because legally, they're people too. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
72. Profits are taxed - above payroll expenses (which are taxed differently) |
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W_HAMILTON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
74. Here's an actual answer for you: |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
76. because businesses can hold cash |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
78. If a corporation is a "person", with all those benefits, then "he" pays taxes. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
79. While I was listening to public radio today |
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Naturalist111 (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
81. Oh my GoD |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
83. Um, businesses are taxed on PROFIT only. |
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catnhatnh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
86. Actually a pretty good arguement has been made... |
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Fool Count (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
89. Because if we only taxed individuals and let corporations off |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
90. i would say MOST do. |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
95. money is taxed until it disappears |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 05:25 AM Response to Original message |
99. essentially, any time money changes hands there is a tax |
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newtothegame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 08:56 AM Response to Reply #99 |
102. I understand...but who exactly is "they" that is paying taxes? Again, I think the issue on DU... |
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Tsiyu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
104. If a corporation wants to avail itself |
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happy_liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
105. The question should be 'Why do Individuals pay income tax' |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
107. Corporations derive enormous benefit from the expenditures of our gov't: (e.g. TARP) |
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blueworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
108. They use taxpayer resources. We all use, we all pay |
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