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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:15 PM Original message |
Speculators will once again take all the fire for high oil prices while |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
1. They must refute the peak oil myth at all costs. |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. It's high time we had a real conversation about peak oil because |
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Wapsie B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. You're right. Who would buy these SUVs and huge pickups |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
4. Oh please. We can see. We can count. |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Wrong on every single count. n/t |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. You are aware that even small supply /demand inbalance causes huge price swings. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. Due to speculation |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. That decline in price was caused by plummeting demand as a result of the |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 03:00 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Even without speculation a small inbalance of supply & demand results in larger price swings. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 06:19 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. 7% vs 66% - Speculation |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 06:37 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. There has never been and never will be a linear relationship between supply & price. |
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protocol rv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 06:45 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. my analysis shows |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 07:41 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Exactly. Because it's driven by speculation |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 07:49 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. No. Not even close. |
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protocol rv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 09:36 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. I doubt it because as the price increases, consumption decreases |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 07:36 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. You are forgetting China & India. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
5. Not a bad point...but... |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
6. Peak oil is a medium to long term issue the speculation is driving much of the |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:51 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. How is a decline in oil production beginning in 2005 a long-term issue? n/t |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. I'm talking price. The rise in cost don't match up with what is in the market |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. That's correct. The speculation is in the possibility that there will be supply |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
10. Markets don't respond to long term trends |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Oil production has been in decline since 2005. That's a NOW issue, not |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Not in a declining market |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. 'nominal production levels are already built into the basic price'... |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:30 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. And they were wrong |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Were you not following the weekly petroleum reports at the time of that |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. It was demand driven |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 03:00 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. What do you mean |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. They don't always pump everywhere they can |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. The problem is supply and demand are not decoupled. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. And all of this is built into the base price |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 07:37 AM Response to Reply #26 |
44. Actually oil is very inelastic. |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
14. They have a roll to play in pricing oil. |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. As they do in any commodity market. Thanks for commenting =) n/t |
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taterguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
28. Natural depletion my ass |
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protocol rv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 09:59 PM Response to Reply #28 |
42. I can think of some alternatives |
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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
29. Jesus Fuck! My recommendation raises the total to ZERO?! |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 05:29 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Don't you get it? |
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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 06:41 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. And when all else fails... |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 06:54 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Well sadly if we don't start being proactive... |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
32. Speculators are financial terrorists |
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protocol rv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 09:41 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. What does the price of oil have to do with oil tankers? |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
39. Peak oil = peak profits |
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