4 Miners Found Dead 29 Died in the name of Capitalism

[rsmith6621]

......Ronald Reagan must be proud laying in his grave of his accomplishments.....

.......... Again I will say I want the Employee Free Choice Act to be the next order of business on the floor of congress...

....When do we as workers REVOLT??

[Razoor]

1. I agree

we really do need EFCA. its about past time workers revolt!

[stray cat]

2. They were our hired help to supply you and I with energy; just like we hire soldiers

to make sacrifices and hardships the rest of us don't want to make

[AnArmyVeteran]

17. They didn't deserve to die for doing their job...

Had there been safety measures to protect them their chances would have been much better. The corrupt mining company choose to pay the paltry fines, rather than build the protections in their mines. They lusted for short term profits. But now, with their mine not producing anything they will be losing more money than if they had complied with the law and put in safety systems that would have prevented the deaths of these miners.

In your post I hope you aren't following the republican mantra when they said our soldiers knew they could die if they joined ( and therefore they basically were expendable ). Not one soldier who died in Iraq signed up to die in a war based on lies and fight a country which never threatened us. They were not doing the jobs of defending our country, they were defending the financial interests of corrupt US corporations, like Halliburton.

For decades the airline industry fought to upgrade their cockpit doors to make them more secure. They cited cost and lobbied to prevent installing doors to protect the pilot and crew. And because of their irresponsibility thugs carrying mere box cutters were able to take over planes on 9/11 causing horrendous physical and financial damage. It cost the airlines billions, when if they had installed safety doors it could have prevented the attacks on 9/11. For their part in preventing safety doors from being installed every one of the CEOs in all those companies should be put in prison for life.

[AnArmyVeteran]

18. They didn't deserve to die for doing their job...

Had there been safety measures to protect them their chances would have been much better. The corrupt mining company choose to pay the paltry fines, rather than build the protections in their mines. They lusted for short term profits. But now, with their mine not producing anything they will be losing more money than if they had complied with the law and put in safety systems that would have prevented the deaths of these miners.

In your post I hope you aren't following the republican mantra when they said our soldiers knew they could die if they joined ( and therefore they basically were expendable ). Not one soldier who died in Iraq signed up to die in a war based on lies and fight a country which never threatened us. They were not doing the jobs of defending our country, they were defending the financial interests of corrupt US corporations, like Halliburton. They were nothing more than low-paid mercenaries only in Iraq to do what was needed to defend corporate interests. Not one soldier who died in Iraq died defending our country, NOT ONE.

For decades the airline industry fought to upgrade their cockpit doors to make them more secure. They cited cost and lobbied to prevent installing doors to protect the pilot and crew. And because of their irresponsibility thugs carrying mere box cutters were able to take over planes on 9/11 causing horrendous physical and financial damage. It cost the airlines billions, when if they had installed safety doors it could have prevented the attacks on 9/11. For their part in preventing safety doors from being installed every one of the CEOs in all those companies should be put in prison for life.

[The Straight Story]

3. We have had clinton in for 8 years and now Obama

They could have fixed ronnie's problems but didn't.

[Silent3]

4. So no one ever died or was ever mistreated...

...in non-capitalist mines and factories? Do you even have any evidence that non-capitalist worker safety is even a little better than capitalist worker safety?

[cali]

5. they died in the name of greed

but it's not like this doesn't happen in countries with a different system.

[Xenotime]

6. America has nothing to be proud of. This is a shame.

[cali]

8. ooh, where did I say America has anything to be proud of?

oh, that's right. I didn't.

sigh. nothing like a stupid non-sequitur to demonstrate one's lack of intellectual mettle.

[Xenotime]

10. america is all about Capitalism and it has brought more death..

Just like these stoopid wars we are fighting. The greedy spill blood to make a profit. Everybody acts like no big deal.

[Cid_B]

7. BREAKING: THIS JUST IN

Keyboard commandos rail against their pet cause using most recent disaster! READ ALL ABOUT IT!!

[protocol rv]

9. I don't understand your comment

What do you mean they died in the name of capitalism? Do you think a state owned mine would have been safer? Why?

[KittyWampus]

11. This thread combined w/another previous one prove many DU'ers don't know what "capitalism" means

[hack89]

12. Because state owned mines are so much safer

look at China and the Soviet Union example .... oops, wait a sec.

[protocol rv]

13. LOL

You gave my argument away. I was waiting to discuss the safety and environmental record in state owned versus privately owned mines around the world. The record shows that privately owned well regulated mines are a lot safer. The same applies to almost any industry.

The data may be skewed because nations where nationalization is more prevalent also tend to be poorer and less civilized, are run by oligarchies or dictatorships. I believe US schools should teach a course on data mining and interpretation at the 12th grade level, so that students can have facts in their heads, and know how to research and analyse the data before they form ideas, because I do hear incredibly stupid comments from Americans all the time(*). And you guys are rich, so you should be more educated.

(*) The idea that you are in the Middle East looking for WMDs or to bring them democracy is one of the most stupid ideas ever invented. The idea that torturing your prisoners makes you safer is also incredibly stupid, furthermore it's highly immoral. And the idea that nationalized industry is more efficient or safer than private industry is bizarre (I don't want to insult our friend here).

[Dreamer Tatum]

16. What a stupid post, masquerading as a smart one. Tsk. nt

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[KittyWampus]

15. It was an accident in a mine run without safeguards. Perfect example of why the Government needs to

set regulations in place over corporations and then ENFORCE them.

Something Republicans don't grasp or are willing to ignore despite the agony and death managers and owners of unregulated corporations are willing to inflict on working Americans.

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[cali]

20. you pump out the methane.

this mine was constantly skirting safety regulations.

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[KittyWampus]

24. And we can survey the difference between Republican v. Democratic governments in doing just that.

Bush overall hired private industry flunkies to head his regulatory agencies. Flunkies who worked to ditch regulations and turn the other way when violations were found.

You can have all the regulations in place, but it requires a government willing to enforce them. Oh, and a voting population that demand they be enforced.

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[KittyWampus]

26. That attitude ensure that those with the most money and least concern for workers dictate how societ

society operates.

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[protocol rv]

22. There are regulations, of course

But there are three issues, detection of violations, issuance of violations notices and fines, and correcting regulations to strengthen the system if the previous detections and violation notices/fines did not achieve the desired results. This was the case in the mine incident (I would not call it an accident), and previous disasters such as the Texas City explosion.

I am very familiar with this subject matter, and in general the safety record within private industry is much better than in nationalized industry.

Let me give you an example of a nationalized industry with a very poor safety record:

The US NASA's Space Shuttle system. It has a tendency to explode. If we look at the original design, it's very flawed. So they put in place safeguards which in hindsight have been futile, could not avoid the loss of two orbiters.

[KittyWampus]

23. there is also great variation in the safety records of private industry under Republican v. Democrat

Democratic Government.

The former has a hands off approach and either dispenses with regulations or does not enforce them while the later is generally the opposite.

[laughingliberal]

30. There was a time that was true but there was this article yesterday showing

the current administration knew of a loophole in the laws and did not act to close it:


Obama Administration Missed Chance To Get Tougher On Unsafe Mines

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/09/obama-administration-miss_n_532386.html

[lynne]

28. How many here are using a computer powered by coal generated electricity?

Quite a few, I bet. Until we turn off the computer and turn off the lights, nothing will change.

[laughingliberal]

29. I don't think that excuses, in any way, the violations of safety regulations and the lax, look the

other way enforcement of them.

[Liberal_in_LA]

31. RIP miners