Huckabee to gays who want to be parents: Children are not puppies!!!1

[Bluebear]

Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee gave an interview this week to the College of New Jersey news magazine The Perspective, and discussed several gay rights issues. Huckabee said the implementation of gays in the military would be a "social experiment". He compared gays who want to get married to drug users and polygamists. And he warned that parenting was a serious matter, suggesting that gays and lesbians who adopt were experimenting, as if with pets.

On Don't Ask, Don't Tell:

"I wouldn’t support a repeal if I were commander-in-chief...You don’t see foot soldiers out there demanding it. I’m not sure that’s the most important thing we ought to be doing for the military. ... <‘Don’t Ask Don’t Tell’> touches an extraordinarily small group of people. primarily a posturing point for political purposes force something on the military that they themselves haven’t pushed that hard. I think we certainly should be very sensitive to the fact that the purpose of the military is not to see if we can create social experiments."

On marriage equality:

"Even civil unions are not necessary. I think there’s been a real level of being disingenuous on the part of the gay and lesbian community with their goal of civil unions...You don’t go ahead and accommodate every behavioral pattern that is against the ideal. That would be like saying, well, there are a lot of people who like to use drugs, so let’s go ahead and accommodate those who want who use drugs. There are some people who believe in incest, so we should accommodate them. There are people who believe in polygamy, so we should accommodate them.'"

On gay adoption and foster care:

"I think this is not about trying to create statements for people who want to change the basic fundamental definitions of family. And always we should act in the best interest of the children, not in the seeming interest of the adults...Children are not puppies. This is not a time to see if we can experiment and find out, how does this work?"

http://www.towleroad.com/2010/04/huckabee-to-gays-who-want-to-adopt-children-are-not-puppies.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+towleroad%2Ffeed+%28Towleroad+Daily++%23gay+news%29

[Hawkeye-X]

1. Neither are you, fuckabee.

Shut up and go away, or I shall taunt you you for the second time.

[HowHasItComeToThis]

30. PRICK

[walldude]

2. So I wonder what he said to the lovely people from Tn

Who sent the Russian kid back to Russia like he was a defective product from Wal-Mart...


Yeah children aren't puppies and POLITICS IS NOT A GAME... so you can respectfully go fuck yourself... Sir.

[MadMaddie]

22. My exact thoughts...

[BlueIris]

3. What an asshole.

I pray this man gets the GOP nom in '12. He is so very, very beatable.

[Golden Raisin]

10. Be very careful

what you wish and pray for.

[annabanana]

13. True, that.. The media treats him like an avuncular pastor....

The sharp edges of his philosophy are cushioned by his teddybear persona.

[Bluebear]

17. EXACTLY.

A kinder, gentler hatemonger.

[Golden Raisin]

53. Who has his own TV show

which in this day and age is a tremendous advantage for spreading the hate and propaganda and getting your supporters into the voting booth. This guy knows exactly what he's doing.

[Matariki]

16. He has a very likable personality

and that coupled with his idiotic right wing ideology would make him a bit of a dangerous candidate. Don't underestimate people's ability to embrace stupidity.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

21. I've even seen people on DU say they like him as a person, just disagree with his politics

Blah.

[Lord Magus]

51. He also has a quadruple cop-killer that he personally released from prison.

He would have no chance of getting elected, no matter how likable he comes off as being.

[msongs]

4. so huckster, how come christians turn out most of the criminal kids in the US? nt

[MrScorpio]

5. I wonder what he has to say to gay parents of their own biological children

His head might explode over that one

[msanthrope]

6. Ironically, Huckabee's son is a dog killer. Killed a dog by hanging.

The details of the incident remain murky. The Animal Legal Defense Fund got an anonymous fax that summer alleging that David Huckabee and another youth had been involved in the hanging of a stray dog at the camp on July 11. A local animal-rights activist, Joyce Hillard, later contacted the camp director. Notes of Hillard's report to the defense fund read, "Boys confessed & were fired. Dir. is making excuses, saying dog was sic & boys were putting him out of his misery." (The director told NEWSWEEK only that a stray dog was "put down" and that the counselors were fired for violating the Scout credo to be "kind.") The father of the other counselor was quoted by the Arkansas Democrat Gazette in August 1998 as saying that his son found the dog "hung over a limb and choking." David Huckabee did not respond to requests for comment. (In April of this year, he was arrested—and paid a fine—when he forgot to remove a loaded gun from his carry-on luggage at Little Rock airport.) His father told NEWSWEEK that his son did not engage in "intentional torture." "There was a dog that apparently had mange and was absolutely, I guess, emaciated." A campaign official says David "regrets" the incident and notes that he later made Eagle Scout.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/78241


http://www.snopes.com/politics/huckabee/dog.asp

[GreenPartyVoter]

12. I'd forgotten about that!

[msanthrope]

14. I wouldn't bring up puppies if I was him. n/t

[City Lights]

25. The Huckster should clean up his own family before he lectures others.

He's got some nerve.

[Name removed]

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[Withywindle]

8. Tell that to the STRAIGHT woman who shipped her Russian kid back like cargo. n/t

Christ how I hate these hypocrites.

[heliarc]

9. Tell it to Octamom... and all the hetero divorcees... nt

[MindandSoul]

11. Maybe he should have said that to the Tennessee "adoptive" mother

who sent the 7 year old Russian boy back to the "pond!"

By the way. . .I do not believe she was gay!

[RainDog]

15. this man is such a fucking idiot he doesn't believe the fact of evolution

what does he have to say that's of any worth?

nothing that I know of.

[jobycom]

18. And Huckabee isn't God.

Even though he thinks he has the right to decide everyone else's lives and values for them, he's just another well-spoken, poorly disguised bigot. It's sad, because at times he actually seems to demonstrate a compassion that makes him better than his party. But at heart, I guess, he's just a bigot who hates maybe a few less people than the majority of his party.

[Smarmie Doofus]

19. I'd say we're *better* than average parents.

Whatever else is going on... kids of gay parents are *wanted* There are so many obstacles ( social, biological, political) that have to be circumvented for GLBTs to become parents, only the most determined make it all the way. The route to gay parenthood is not for the feint of heart.

Children who are wanted tend to grow into secure and well adjusted adults. It's not an unmixed picture ; there are added complexities to raising kids in a gay/lesbian household but most such kids I've seen are pretty lucky to be where they are.

[Toucano]

29. And every study agrees with you. n/t

[SemiCharmedQuark]

38. My father bred like a rabbit.

The last time I saw him, I was 10 years old and he left me standing in Grant Park alone after he rattled on for half an hour about how Pat Buchanan should have been elected president. He had me, and two or three other kids at least (16 or so years ago). Who knows how many he has now? The ability for a couple to have children has no impact on what kind of parent they will be.

[redirish28]

20. As for the Children aren't puppies comment...

My Wife: "That A$$, needs to tell that to some of the "Fundamental" idiots who listen to him because I've seen certain "traditional" parents treat their children WORSE than puppies"!

[gratuitous]

23. Dear Mike: You were a governor

Where do you suppose all those kids up for adoption and the ones waiting in foster care in Arkansas came from? Kids who, for whatever reason, got turned over to the state, and I'd wager the vast majority of them was the result of a heterosexual coupling. So, who was "experimenting" with having kids? And what programs did you champion (oh, and fund, don't forget the funding) that helped parents - any parents - do a better job of raising their kids?

[elleng]

24. but PUPPIES ARE CHILDREN!

:bounce:

[Catshrink]

26. Neither is Jesus

or God but he seems to think that prayer is like a command.

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians; they are so unlike your Christ." ~Gandhi

[MadMaddie]

27. I live in the Seattle Wa area and I say "Fuck you Huckabee"!

Four police officers are dead and spouses and children have an empty seat at the table!

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/god-and-country/2009/12/01/was-huckabees-maurice-clemmons-clemency-faith-based

Huckabee released Maurice Clemmons and others because "they were saved and found god"!

The media lets him get away with this shit by not calling him on it.

Fuck him! Let's not let him forget what he did.


By the way Clemmons wasn't the only one that Huckabee let out and then killed again.

[Toucano]

28. You're a flea, Huckabee!

I wish I had the energy.

Okay, maybe I do. I'll only respond to the excerpts in the OP.

1. If it's such an "extraordinary small" group, then what's the big deal? I believe the constitution says the law is supposed to treat everyone equally, so even if it was a minority of ONE person, that's too many people being denied equality.

2. Incest, polygamy, and drug addiction? That's what gays and lesbians are to you? That's simply too ignorant to even be addressed.

3. GAYS AND LESBIANS ARE YOUR FAMILY, you stupid fuck! We didn't come from petri dishes! No one is "redefining" anything. We have always been and will always be. Just get off our backs and give us equal protection under the law. It's as simple as that.

[4lbs]

31. The 'social experiment' has been going on for a few centuries..

<snip>
Huckabee said the implementation of gays in the military would be a "social experiment".
<snip>

Uh, gays have been in the military for hundreds of years. It's always been kept quiet until recently.

Gays have fought in the Civil War, World War I, World War II, Korea, Vietnam, and both Iraq wars.

Guess what the result of this 'social experiment' is? Gays don't have any detrimental affect on the readiness or quality of our military. In fact, I would venture to say that gay and lesbian soldiers only enhance the military.

Doesn't Huckabee know that one of history's most feared and ferocious fighting forces, the Spartans, encouraged homosexual relationships among the ranks? It certainly didn't affect their fighting ability did it?

[Dr Morbius]

32. Oh, no he didn't... did he?

"You don’t go ahead and accommodate every behavioral pattern that is against the ideal."

Against the ideal?

So, ideally, no one would be gay? And why would this be "ideal"?

What a clown! Normally, the righties are careful not to condemn homsexuality; they just claim to be "protecting the sacred institutions" and blah blah blah. But Huckabee's come right out and said it: gays who want to marry or be civilly united are "disingenous" (?) and are behaving in a way which is "against the ideal."

[elocs]

33. Having children is a personal choice, but there are couples who choose to have children

when they would reject the notion of getting a puppy.

My brother and his first wife were such a couple. They knew they would both have to work full time and still they chose to have children, kids who would be shuffled back and forth to daycare and only get to see their parents for a few hours each day.

If asked about getting a puppy they would have stated that there was no way they could do that since they did not have the time to spend with or to take care of it properly. But having kids--no problem.

[dana_b]

34. to him, gay people are ill, they aren't "normal"

and maybe not even human. Sounds like the same shit that has been done to practically every minority out there. Surprised he doesn't call gay people "heathen savages".

He's an out and out bigot. Period.

[marmar]

35. Again, the conflation of homosexuality with incest, polygamy and drug abuse.....

I would say that these right-wing assholes are being intellectually dishonest, but intellect and right wing assholes don't mix.

[Zoeisright]

36. Fuckabee is such a total idiot.

I mean, mind your own business, you little turd.

[KathieG]

37. He needs to tell these people...

[SemiCharmedQuark]

39. No, if you have 20 dogs, they fine you and you end up on A&E's "Hoarders"

[Politicub]

45. It's not neglect if you dress your daughters in prairie dresses and you sons

in Wal-Mart easter suits, apparently.

[smokey nj]

40. Says the man whose son tortured and killed a dog.

:grr:

[Kievan Rus]

41. This is coming from a guy (Huckabee) who let a cop-killer out of prison

That guy in Seattle was let free by then-Governor Huckabee in the early 2000s.

[saltpoint]

42. Huckabee is stirring the swill bucket again. This is the side of him that

is the most repulsive.

I'm not sure who if anyone claimed that children were puppies. Does anyone know where that reference came from? Apparently Huckabee decided to diminish a large swath of the population by reducing them to flibbertigibbets who wish to adopt children to amuse themselves.

If he knows of studies which show that lesbian or gay men make poorer parents than straight men and women, he should offer that data on a website for all to peruse. Absent those studies it seems to me that parenting instincts have nothing to do with sexual orientation and that if two people love each other and wish to love and raise kids then bigoted asshats like Mike Huckabee need to shut the hell up and get out of the goddam way.

[Politicub]

43. It makes me so angry these bigots are given a microphone

Their reason for being is to spread hate and lies. I wonder what is wrong with people that have hate embedded so deeply as part of their soul.

Can you imagine being one of Huckabee's children? What a fucked up and useless father he would be. Actually, useless is the wrong word - he is caustic.

[Shell Beau]

44. I tell all my gay friends to get a puppy instead of a child.

They usually just want something to tend to. You know, keep them company. :eyes: What a dumbfuck.

[Heywood J]

46. "Children are not puppies"

That's good, Mike. Did they teach you that before or after you learned how to free murderers while becoming a minister?

[dionysus]

47. god teh stupid burns bright in him.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

49. Or if you prefer the Star Wars version:

"Teh stupid is strong with this one."

[Proud Liberal Dem]

48. Geez!!!

What a loon!!!!

:crazy:

[LeftyMom]

50. "Children aren't puppies"? I guess he should tell his buddies Michelle and Jim Bob that.

If they had that many puppies, animal control would take them away for hoarding.

[Skittles]

52. he's just another fucking repuke idiot

*yawn*

[EFerrari]

54. Who are the four or five people who listen to this guy?

I don't get it. He can be charming in the way that hucksters are charming but it's an inch deep.

[eridani]

55. Of course not. They are sacks of potatoes.

Ask Sarah Palin.

[RedCappedBandit]

56. I find it amusing that he thinks his uneducated opinion has value. nt

[Geek_Girl]

57. It's shameful that people in this country will vote for a politician

that will run on a platform of ignorance and bigotry.