Wow, those poor 1% are paying 39% of the tax burden.

[walldude]

Really freeps? That's your argument. Pssst... they control 95% of the wealth. Get it? Do the Math, they control 95% of the money but only carry 40% of the tax burden. Yeah it's so unfair. :eyes:

[HughMoran]

1. Reasoning with nitwits that want to justify why they're getting screwed (and like it!)

is pointless. You'd have to spend 10 minutes explaining it to each and every one, and even then, most would assume you were lying to them and go back to their blinders. Get one of their 'controllers' to point out the truth, then you're getting somewhere.

[Motown_Johnny]

2. got a link for that 95% number?

[Dr Morbius]

4. You are correct. It isn't 95%.

But I can defend a graduated tax anyway.

[walldude]

5. Sure but it's from the sociology Dept at USC

so while it's pretty solid the Freeps won't buy it at all plus you have to dig and do the math to figure it all out because it's divided up by things like holdings, salary. capitol gains, shit like that.


http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

This one is probably better for the freeps it tells you how to become one of the top 5%.. :rofl:
http://www.articlesbase.com/advertising-articles/learn-the-secrets-of-the-top-5-of-the-population-top-5-of-the-population-control-95-of-this-country039s-wealth-1165836.html

[FBaggins]

10. The link doesn't appear to support your post

The 90% of wealth figure looks like it applies to the top 20% - With the top 1% being closer to 35%.

[Motown_Johnny]

14. That link actually disproves the number you are using

You need to use accurate numbers to support your views. Doing things like this allow opponents of your position to attack the inaccuracies and make it appear that your position is therefore in error.

http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

^snip^

In the United States, wealth is highly concentrated in a relatively few hands. As of 2007, the top 1% of households (the upper class) owned 34.6% of all privately held wealth, and the next 19% (the managerial, professional, and small business stratum) had 50.5%, which means that just 20% of the people owned a remarkable 85%, leaving only 15% of the wealth for the bottom 80% (wage and salary workers).

[bemildred]

3. If they get at least 39% of the income, what's the problem? nt

[kentuck]

6. That's income taxes...

not social security taxes. The middle and working class pay the largest percentage of those and that is mostly what the government is running on now.

[MadMaddie]

7. I have this argument with my right wing young co-workers

They believe the 1% pays their fair share and they are the ones that have created jobs across the country. Without the 1% they beleive America would not be successful...oh yea and screw American workers they just want to much money and it's okay to outsource those jobs to other countries.:grr:

[Greyhound]

8. Technical field, I assume?

Went through that in the 90's while trying to get unionized. Dumb-ass, immortal, punks with just enough knowledge to think they know something and believe they are so much better than "those other losers".

Who's laughing now morons?

[hunter]

11. Quite a few anti-union physicians got taken by the oligarchy too.

While once they were masters of their own medical practices, now they are voiceless and replaceable cogs in the Insurance-PharmCo money machine.

[Greyhound]

13. I dropped out of med school for just that reason. In my work-study program

I got to work with a practitioner in the field and saw how much time he spent arguing with morons working for insurance companies. Arguing to get treatments authorized, arguing to get payment for authorized treatments, arguing to get the fucking check mailed, and this is after his office manger had hit a brick wall. People wonder why they get so little time to talk to their doctors, it's because he spends 30, 40, 50 hours a week dealing with insurance companies.

Dropped out, changed my major to CompSci, and then got fucked by Clinton Inc.® after all that anyway.

[MadMaddie]

12. Ding! Ding! Ding!

It is always amusing that they don't count their jobs as jobs to outsource.

They are anti-union not understanding that their 40 hour week and sanitary and safe work conditions only happened because of unions.

I forgot to add that the 30 year old says I have never not had insurance.
Let's see he has gone from his parents coverage to college and then straight to work so he has never been unemployed or had hard times. My grandmother always said "a hard head makes a soft butt"!! When these kids find themselves faced with unemployment and have to keep the roof over their heads they will then understand. But that won't happen because their parents will bail them out so they will never experience real life.

[Duke Newcombe]

9. The sheep you'd have to deprogram are just caught up.

The Stockholm Syndrome has them all confused.