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NJmaverick
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Sun Apr-11-10 10:54 AM Original message |
Should the Democrats consider and treat the Green party as they do the GOP? |
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MineralMan
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Sun Apr-11-10 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
1. We have the Green Party and Ralph Nader to |
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mdmc
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:02 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. jajaja |
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Webster Green
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:03 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Oh Dog, not that tired old piece of shit excuse. |
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MineralMan
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:18 AM Response to Reply #4 |
14. That Florida race couldn't have been stolen if there had been, say, |
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Webster Green
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:23 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Yeah, yeah, I know the rest of your tired old canard. |
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MineralMan
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:36 AM Response to Reply #20 |
28. Our opinions differ, clearly. |
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Webster Green
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Oh, goody for you. |
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Moochy
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:54 AM Response to Reply #28 |
36. I blame the monarch |
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laughingliberal
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:17 PM Response to Reply #28 |
56. And, of course, the voter purges carried out under Jeb and Katherine were not a factor |
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uppityperson
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Sun Apr-11-10 05:42 PM Response to Reply #20 |
202. They call me uppity, but I find things like this to interfere with discussion... |
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Sebastian Doyle
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Sun Apr-11-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #14 |
142. The Florida race was stolen by Jeb and Cruella before Nader was even on the ballot |
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bobbolink
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Sun Apr-11-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
172. Preach it! That fucking meme fucking died years ago, and they are too fucking tired to bury it. |
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AnOhioan
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:06 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Oh please |
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Webster Green
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:12 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Now that part I will buy. |
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paulsby
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:26 PM Response to Reply #9 |
63. gore also screwed the pooch on gun control |
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Cleita
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Sun Apr-11-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #9 |
127. Not only that he chose Donna Brazille for his campaign manager.n/t |
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walldude
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Sun Apr-11-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #5 |
156. And Gore is the first one to admit this... |
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msongs
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:20 AM Response to Reply #1 |
16. like al gore's campaign had nothing to do with it. ok fine nt |
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conscious evolution
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:20 AM Response to Reply #1 |
17. Bullfuckingshit |
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nickinSTL
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:29 AM Response to Reply #1 |
24. that's crap |
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walldude
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:52 AM Response to Reply #1 |
34. Yeah if Nader hadn't stood out there with a gun and forced people to vote |
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asdjrocky
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
51. You are not based in reality. |
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paulsby
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
62. nader has no power w/o nader voters |
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Lucian
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
99. Um, it was the Supreme Court that selected Bush. |
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Toasterlad
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Sun Apr-11-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
139. My New Blu-Ray Player Stopped Working After Only Six Months. Goddamn You, Ralph Nader! |
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bvar22
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Sun Apr-11-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
141. WOW. Nader must be SUPERMAN!!! |
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Gman
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Sun Apr-11-10 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
2. The Democratic Party needs to destroy the Green Party and the GOP |
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AnOhioan
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:08 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. The Democratic Party is doing a fine job of destroying itself already. |
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Toasterlad
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Sun Apr-11-10 02:21 PM Response to Reply #8 |
135. Amen. |
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Webster Green
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:18 AM Response to Reply #2 |
13. This two party, winner takes all system sucks. |
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Moochy
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Not American Nor Exceptional enough |
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paulsby
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #21 |
65. damn right |
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Moochy
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. Not the DU I'm reading |
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paulsby
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. rubbish |
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Moochy
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:49 PM Response to Reply #72 |
86. Here's my opinion |
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paulsby
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Sun Apr-11-10 01:20 PM Response to Reply #86 |
108. that's irrelevant to the factual statement |
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Moochy
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Sun Apr-11-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #108 |
113. It's relevant to your bias |
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paulsby
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Sun Apr-11-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. it's relevant to the fact that you ignore the facts and embrace a double standard |
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Moochy
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Sun Apr-11-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #115 |
119. The sunday morning bridge crew |
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ShortnFiery
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #2 |
22. Yes our common values of Environmental Protections and Social Justice be damned - EVIL GREENS! |
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Gman
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:35 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Greens file for office to defeat a Democrat. That makes them my enemy |
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Webster Green
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:39 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. They are trying to keep them honest. |
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Moochy
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Neo-Liberal Organizing Tactics |
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Luminous Animal
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #26 |
96. And that is okay with me. It helps to illuminate how closely aligned the Dems |
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jgraz
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Sun Apr-11-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #26 |
134. Amazing how tough someone can sound sitting behind a keyboard |
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amborin
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Sun Apr-11-10 08:18 PM Response to Reply #22 |
208. +1000 |
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NJmaverick
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:51 AM Response to Reply #2 |
33. It seems the Greens will team up with whoever is out of power |
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Tesha
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
85. The best way the Democrats could destroy the Greens... |
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Sebastian Doyle
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Sun Apr-11-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
140. The Democratic Party needs to destroy the DLC and the BlueBalled Cowards. |
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rucky
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Sun Apr-11-10 08:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
210. I can't tell when you're being sarcastic. |
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Xithras
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Mon Apr-12-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #2 |
232. Silly position, since many of us vote for members of both parties. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
6. With undue consideration? |
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
7. Deleted sub-thread |
Tierra_y_Libertad
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
10. I'm a Democrat who frequently votes for Greens. |
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Webster Green
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:21 AM Response to Reply #10 |
18. Bingo! |
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slampoet
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:27 AM Response to Reply #10 |
23. Exactly where in the constitution is the word "democracy" ? |
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Tierra_y_Libertad
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:24 PM Response to Reply #23 |
61. Exactly where in the constitution are the words "Democratic Party"? |
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slampoet
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Sun Apr-11-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #61 |
107. They are in the Federalist Papers. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad
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Sun Apr-11-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #107 |
118. Nowhere. So, what? It's an obvious presupposition in the Constitution. |
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slampoet
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Sun Apr-11-10 03:03 PM Response to Reply #118 |
147. Voting = republic |
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Tierra_y_Libertad
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Sun Apr-11-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #147 |
149. Well, count me as a believer in Democracy. |
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slampoet
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Sun Apr-11-10 09:41 PM Response to Reply #149 |
217. If you believe in Democracy tell me when was the last time you've been to a city council meeting? |
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Tierra_y_Libertad
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:01 PM Response to Reply #217 |
225. I've never been to a city council meeting. What has that to do with it? |
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slampoet
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Tue Apr-13-10 01:24 AM Response to Reply #225 |
235. City council meetings are the prime example of participatory democracy in the USA and have been for |
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Zenlitened
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Sun Apr-11-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #147 |
150. That sort of definition fits well on a Ron Paul flyer, but doesn't hold up. |
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slampoet
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Sun Apr-11-10 09:40 PM Response to Reply #150 |
216. If you support a third party it does. |
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Zenlitened
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Sun Apr-11-10 10:23 PM Response to Reply #216 |
223. Um... what? |
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RainDog
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
11. that would be great!! |
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Zenlitened
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:50 PM Response to Reply #11 |
90. LOL! I hadn't thought of it that way! :) |
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DevonRex
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
12. It's winner take all; therefore, it's a competition with every other party. |
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socialist_n_TN
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
15. Personally, I think that Greens should...................... |
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Moochy
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
19. How best to win those green voters over than to pledge to destroy their institution |
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NJmaverick
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:54 AM Response to Reply #19 |
35. It seems to me the Greens oppose whoever is in power |
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Moochy
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:55 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Dunno maybe go to a Green Underground.com? |
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RainDog
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:43 PM Response to Reply #35 |
75. very small-minded and binary thinking |
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salguine
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
25. Common ground? The Greens are considerably to the left of the Democrats. The Greens |
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Zenlitened
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #25 |
92. "The Greens are only there because the Democrats have made them necessary. " |
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amborin
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Sun Apr-11-10 09:48 PM Response to Reply #25 |
219. +1000 |
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Ysabel
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
27. gee duh... |
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NJmaverick
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:54 AM Response to Reply #27 |
37. There are many Dems who have voted for Republicans as well |
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Ysabel
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:09 PM Response to Reply #37 |
46. my point is (duh) dems need votes... |
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NJmaverick
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:11 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Are you aware that 9% of the voters that voted for Obama were Republicans? |
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Ysabel
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. yeah so and what is your point / you started this dumb thread... |
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NJmaverick
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. No I am supporting my assertion that there are many similarities |
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Ysabel
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:22 PM Response to Reply #52 |
60. well i differ / and grow tired of this as well / see you later... |
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RainDog
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Sun Apr-11-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #52 |
112. where is any data to support this assertion? |
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Luminous Animal
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Sun Apr-11-10 04:04 PM Response to Reply #52 |
178. I find it amusing that "working against the Dems", |
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Zenlitened
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Sun Apr-11-10 04:11 PM Response to Reply #178 |
186. Amusing? I find it shocking. And depressing. |
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Greyhound
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:38 PM Response to Reply #27 |
71. Oh no, it is much better to follow the same strategy that kept them out |
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Johonny
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
30. No |
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fishwax
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
39. You mean reach out to them in the spirit of bipartisanship? |
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NJmaverick
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:58 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Technically that would be tripartisanship |
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fishwax
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:13 PM Response to Reply #41 |
50. not if we cut out the GOP |
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Motown_Johnny
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
40. when they start illegal wars and torturing ask me again |
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paulsby
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #40 |
67. it's easy to be pure when you have no power |
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Moochy
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Sun Apr-11-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #67 |
117. Its easy to be dismissive of would-be allies |
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paulsby
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Sun Apr-11-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. have you ever looked at kucinich's RECORD? |
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Moochy
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Sun Apr-11-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #120 |
123. Yeah that fool! That useless fool! |
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paulsby
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Sun Apr-11-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #123 |
129. you really can't ever just address a basic topic without wandering off into nonsequiters, ad hominem |
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Moochy
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Sun Apr-11-10 02:12 PM Response to Reply #129 |
133. Yeah I just looked at his record |
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mike_c
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
42. I'm a green who sometimes votes for democrats... |
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GreenPartyVoter
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Sun Apr-11-10 03:15 PM Response to Reply #42 |
152. I hear that :^( |
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varelse
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Sun Apr-11-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #42 |
173. +1 |
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Patriot 76
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
43. If they're working to defeat Democrats, then they deserve to be treated as such. |
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
44. Greens are not the enemy. |
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Luminous Animal
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
45. Sure, I think the Democratic Party should officially reject... |
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NJmaverick
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. They don't do that with the GOP (because they can't disagree on things like national security and |
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Luminous Animal
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:16 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. I didn't claim that they did that with the GOP. |
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NJmaverick
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #54 |
73. As I said in my original OP it's on an ideological issue it's an election issue |
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Luminous Animal
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:49 PM Response to Reply #73 |
87. And damned the consequences. |
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NJmaverick
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. no better than having a (G) after their name |
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Luminous Animal
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:59 PM Response to Reply #91 |
100. I may be wrong but you seem to be advocating opposing the Green Party |
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NJmaverick
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Sun Apr-11-10 01:01 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. The Green Party is already opposing the Dems so why shouldn't |
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Luminous Animal
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Sun Apr-11-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #102 |
121. The Green Party does not oppose Democratic candidates simply because they have a (D) |
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Moochy
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:17 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. To justify their status on the enemies list |
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AnOhioan
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #45 |
80. Then the Dems would be just the Repubs.... |
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
57. Umm, don't they do that already? |
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NJmaverick
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Didn't the GOP and the right help finance Green candidate Nader??? |
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MadHound
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. During the '00 when he ran on the Green Party ticket, no, he didn't get GOP money |
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NJmaverick
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:30 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. I am talking 08 |
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MadHound
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. As I said previously, Nader wasn't on the Green ticket |
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NJmaverick
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:43 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. It seems to me the Greens oppose whoever is in power |
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MadHound
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. Umm, the Greens have never worked with the Dems, |
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NJmaverick
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:50 PM Response to Reply #79 |
88. Well you agree with me then. You know the Dems have certainly pushed issues the Greens support |
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MadHound
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #88 |
95. Actually, given just the modern record of issues the Dems and 'Pugs have cooperated on |
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NJmaverick
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:59 PM Response to Reply #95 |
101. Eliminating banks in student loans, raising CAFE standards, ending ban on Stem Cell research |
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MineralMan
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Sun Apr-11-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #101 |
109. But...but...but... |
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Moochy
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #74 |
81. Many things seemed magical to the people in the middle ages too |
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Luminous Animal
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. 100 times more Republican money went to Kerry than to Nader. |
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Bjorn Against
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
58. Well the Democrats have voted for Republican policies on many occasions... |
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RainDog
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #58 |
78. green positions have proven to be winners in other western democracies |
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LeFleur1
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:48 PM Response to Reply #58 |
84. Why Not Allow All Party Candidates to Debate? |
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
76. Should the Green Party consider and treat Democrats as they do the GOP? |
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NJmaverick
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:48 PM Response to Reply #76 |
83. Seems to me that is already happening, which is why I raised the question |
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Zenlitened
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
77. Clumsy, as usual. - n/t |
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RainDog
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. +1000000 |
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Zenlitened
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Sun Apr-11-10 01:04 PM Response to Reply #82 |
104. Um, not quite that advanced, sadly. More like Kerplunking! |
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Fumesucker
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
89. You are assuming that Democrats are on the left.. |
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. I really wish the rec function extended to replies as well |
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #89 |
98. +1 |
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
94. Anbody who blames Nader for 2000 hates Democracy |
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Sun Apr-11-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #94 |
103. Funny world when you are villified for |
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Sun Apr-11-10 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
97. Um, the Greens are the only true Progressives left. |
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Sun Apr-11-10 01:04 PM Response to Reply #97 |
105. What about dems like Kucinich, Grayson and Dean? |
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Sun Apr-11-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #105 |
114. I'm sure if the Greens were a strong, viable party... |
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Sun Apr-11-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. Regardless, you have to admit that the Greens do not have a monopoly on progressive |
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Sun Apr-11-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #116 |
122. Well of course they don't. |
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Sun Apr-11-10 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
106. Greens don't accomplish a God Damn thing |
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Sun Apr-11-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #106 |
111. greens have won elections where I live |
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Sun Apr-11-10 02:02 PM Response to Reply #106 |
124. So, are you saying that the Greens are simultaneously ineffective and powerful? |
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Sun Apr-11-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #106 |
126. province of overgrown juveniles. |
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Sun Apr-11-10 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
110. curious - do you think the democratic party should be the party of pederasts, too? |
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Sun Apr-11-10 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
125. The Greens were a symptom of the Democrats pulling to centrism and |
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Sun Apr-11-10 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
128. In my area Green Party members are disaffected Democrats |
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Sun Apr-11-10 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
130. Why? It's a two-party system, and the Dems are one of the two. The Greens are no threat, but... |
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Sun Apr-11-10 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
131. It's possible that the Green Party in the United States will begin |
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Sun Apr-11-10 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
132. A better question would be: Should we treat the Democrats the same as the GOP? |
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Sun Apr-11-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #132 |
138. Good point. GOP is as GOP does. nt |
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Sun Apr-11-10 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
136. If the Democratic Party Was True To Its Ideals, There Would Be No Green Party. |
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Sun Apr-11-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #136 |
170. I doubt it, the Dems and the Greens do have differences in core principles |
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Sun Apr-11-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #170 |
176. Please Elaborate |
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Sun Apr-11-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #176 |
180. This is your topic, feel free to post of list of the similarities and differences |
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Sun Apr-11-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #180 |
182. "most posters here already know all or most of that information" |
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Sun Apr-11-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #182 |
185. I don't see any specifics that you care to discuss |
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Sun Apr-11-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #185 |
195. Since you made the assertion that their are core differnces, it is up to you to back it up. |
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Sun Apr-11-10 10:07 PM Response to Reply #195 |
220. I Don't Expect You'll Receive a Reply. And You Can Add Equality To Your List. |
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Sun Apr-11-10 09:00 PM Response to Reply #136 |
215. Bingo! |
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Sun Apr-11-10 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
137. You mean adopt their platform? |
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Sun Apr-11-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #137 |
143. Sooo beat me to it. |
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Sun Apr-11-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #143 |
145. Careful, pointing out the obvious around here |
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Sun Apr-11-10 02:44 PM Response to Reply #145 |
146. That's because most people don't understand what "argumentum ad hominem" means |
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Sun Apr-11-10 03:42 PM Response to Reply #137 |
161. The Green's party has had little to no electoral success |
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Sun Apr-11-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #161 |
165. Besides there's no money to be had advocating for good policy! |
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Sun Apr-11-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #165 |
177. Are you really trying to sell the idea that politicians enter politics to make money? |
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Sun Apr-11-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #177 |
179. Not at all |
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Sun Apr-11-10 04:07 PM Response to Reply #179 |
181. A pragmatic progressive deals with that issue with campaign finance reform |
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Sun Apr-11-10 04:36 PM Response to Reply #181 |
194. It appears that they've lost sight of the meaning of pragmatism... |
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Sun Apr-11-10 08:35 PM Response to Reply #165 |
213. +1 |
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Sun Apr-11-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #161 |
166. So are they irrelevant, or do they swing elections? |
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Sun Apr-11-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #166 |
174. just because a party is lacking in popular support doesn't mean they can't be destructive |
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Sun Apr-11-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #174 |
184. Then they should be courted. |
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Sun Apr-11-10 04:11 PM Response to Reply #184 |
187. This isn't a coalition style government, as such there is little to no point |
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Sun Apr-11-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #187 |
189. It doesn't seem as if you've ever met, let alone spoken with, a Green. |
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Sun Apr-11-10 05:21 PM Response to Reply #189 |
201. Many Republicans are former Dems and so I see little difference |
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Sun Apr-11-10 08:18 PM Response to Reply #201 |
209. I used to think your knowledge of politics was minimal. |
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Sun Apr-11-10 07:35 PM Response to Reply #187 |
206. But you like bipartisan, "moderate" Democrats? |
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Sun Apr-11-10 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
144. Until the U.S. adopts proportional representation, the Greens are counterproductive. |
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Sun Apr-11-10 03:03 PM Response to Reply #144 |
148. People Are Going To Vote For Who They Want To Vote For. |
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Sun Apr-11-10 03:20 PM Response to Reply #148 |
153. That's not always true. Many progressives are pragmatic progressives |
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Sun Apr-11-10 03:24 PM Response to Reply #153 |
155. Those Aren't Progressives. Those Are Sheep. |
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Sun Apr-11-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #155 |
158. Only a head in the clouds idealist with little appreciation of the real world would say that |
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Sun Apr-11-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #158 |
160. And Only a DLC Prole Would Use Scare Tactics To Bully People Into Voting For the Same Old Shit |
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Sun Apr-11-10 03:44 PM Response to Reply #160 |
162. I don't know I think calling people sheep is pretty much a bullying tactic |
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Sun Apr-11-10 09:44 PM Response to Reply #162 |
218. LOL. I'll Pay You the Compliment Of Assuming You Don't Believe the Shit You're Saying. |
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Sun Apr-11-10 03:38 PM Response to Reply #153 |
157. Many, but not all, and the ranks of the "pragmatic" seems to be diminishing. |
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Sun Apr-11-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #157 |
159. We better hope you are wrong, because the pragmatics are the ONLY ones |
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Sun Apr-11-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #159 |
164. Then the pragmatic thing to do would be... |
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Sun Apr-11-10 03:54 PM Response to Reply #164 |
167. The Greens are not the Dems and the Greens are guilty of attacks on the Dems |
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Sun Apr-11-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #167 |
183. In general, your entire premise is false. |
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Sun Apr-11-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #183 |
191. The facts say otherwise |
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Sun Apr-11-10 04:28 PM Response to Reply #191 |
193. Hey at least you are reading their platform |
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Sun Apr-11-10 04:53 PM Response to Reply #191 |
197. Thanks for that. It reminded me that the Democrats were not only complicit |
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Sun Apr-11-10 08:52 PM Response to Reply #191 |
214. Did you ever stop to ask yourself... |
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Sun Apr-11-10 10:11 PM Response to Reply #214 |
221. "You Put a Red Korean Over a White American, Which Makes You Pretty Pinko" |
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Sun Apr-11-10 10:28 PM Response to Reply #221 |
224. Hmmph. I'll bet you subscribe to Reader's Digest, doncha? |
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Sun Apr-11-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #153 |
169. Translation: |
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Sun Apr-11-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #169 |
171. That wasn't a translation, that was a distortion |
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Sun Apr-11-10 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
151. I guess it depends on priorities. |
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Sun Apr-11-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #151 |
154. So voters are more pragmatic and consider the effectiveness of their votes |
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Sun Apr-11-10 06:24 PM Response to Reply #154 |
204. Effectiveness also depends on priorities. |
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Sun Apr-11-10 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
163. If the democratic party stopped pandering to the right there would be |
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Sun Apr-11-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #163 |
168. I doubt it, there will always be disruptive 3rd parties |
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Sun Apr-11-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #168 |
175. I doubt that. Because when the Dem Party moves leftward, the squishy, self-styled "centrists"... |
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Sun Apr-11-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #175 |
188. Like what happened in the 70s? |
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Sun Apr-11-10 07:51 PM Response to Reply #168 |
207. "Disruptive"? In what way? Hacking voting machines and fraudulently manipulating |
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Mon Apr-12-10 10:46 AM Response to Reply #207 |
227. :D |
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Sun Apr-11-10 06:24 PM Response to Reply #163 |
205. + 1,000,000 nt |
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Sun Apr-11-10 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
190. I didn't know the Democratic Party was on the left these days. |
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Sun Apr-11-10 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
192. If the Democrats weren't racing so fast to the right, you might have a point. |
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Sun Apr-11-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #192 |
196. After Florida 2000, the Greens are done... |
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Sun Apr-11-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #196 |
198. Mayor of SF? |
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Sun Apr-11-10 04:55 PM Response to Reply #196 |
199. 300,000 Dems voted for Bush in Florida. 10-11 mil Dems nationwide voted for Bush. |
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Sun Apr-11-10 05:01 PM Response to Reply #196 |
200. There are currently 150 Green Party office holders in the U.S. |
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Sun Apr-11-10 08:28 PM Response to Reply #200 |
211. I had no idea. Thanks for that information. nt |
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Sun Apr-11-10 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
203. If only! Imagine if there were 200 Green Amendments to the Health Care Bill. |
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Sun Apr-11-10 08:31 PM Response to Reply #203 |
212. What a great point! I'm betting the Greens would love it if the Democrats treated them the same as |
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Sun Apr-11-10 10:13 PM Response to Reply #212 |
222. That Would, In Fact, Be AWESOME. And Not As Far Away As You Might Think. |
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Sun Apr-11-10 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
226. what a stupid ass post |
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Mon Apr-12-10 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
228. This thread is disgusting. |
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Mon Apr-12-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #228 |
231. And that's precisely the m.o. of too many conservative dems & mods |
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Mon Apr-12-10 11:55 AM Response to Reply #231 |
233. You're correct (n/t). |
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Mon Apr-12-10 09:09 PM Response to Reply #229 |
234. , |
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Mon Apr-12-10 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
230. they are in competition because the Greens often attack dems and work against dems more than the GOP |
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