After Clinton's "evil men..." remark, and f'ed explanation...

[Dawgs]

why would anyone support her for President?

Any remark she makes will be analyzed on every news shows. If she handles every one like this it will be a long two years if she is nominated.

[blm]

1. Karma can be a bitch.

.

[cynatnite]

2. What's wrong with the explanation?

:shrug:

It's never mattered what she says. The RW machine always leaps on it like it's news. Remember the plantation remark?

[Dawgs]

4. Okay, can you explain her explanation, cause I can't?

And, your other remark makes my point. I'm not saying I agree with it, but look how easy it was for the right to attack Kerry. Don't you think they will be even more critical of Hillary?

[MoseyWalker]

6. So what if they are critical?

She has had her life exposed to the world for many years now. They can play their usual, childish mind games with people, but people are obviously waking up and seeing the game for what it is - a stupid game that they have been duped into.

[Goblinmonger]

8. Sure

People complain that she is too stiff; that she has no sense of humor. She tries to make a pretty minor and harmless joke and people jump down her back for being to "light hearted." She is between Scylla and Charybdis on this one. I agree with her. Don't know that I would vote for her over another dem because unlike the MSM, I don't believe she is a far lefty but is, at best, a moderate democrat.

[cynatnite]

12. Sure, they'll be more critical of her...

they always have been from the beginning. IMO, Hillary is a tough woman who's been dealing with these turds for years. She knows what they're about. I think she'll fight them a hell of a lot harder than Kerry ever thought about doing. This is why I believe her chances of getting the nomination are good.

As far as her explanation goes, it was a joke. That's all. It's corporate media and RW shills making an issue out of it. I don't care because they sound stupid for doing it. She didn't fuck up the joke like Kerry did and they're still all over it.

[msmcghee]

20. Sorry - wrong place..

[Dawgs]

22. Where did I say I didn't like Hillary?

Again, I never said that the right-wing wouldn't go after others like her. I said the media will. Like it or not, Hillary Clinton bashing is good for ratings. If it sells they will go with it. And, the Clintons (good or bad) sell.

I hope I'm wrong. I hope she, or any other Democrat, is our next President.

[msmcghee]

25. When you said,

"After Clinton's "evil men..." remark, and f'ed explanation ... why would anyone support her for President?"

That certainly doesn't sound like an endorsement.

[Dawgs]

28. Exactly, I like her but don't endorse her.

There is a difference.

[karynnj]

56. Kerry left out one two letter word reading a joke written for him

then moved on - typically the right thing to do when your flub a joke. But, he did not have any inclination of how it would be turned to mean something never intended.

What was Hillary's joke - how is it a joke, if it's not Bill. It's a simple (non-funny) statement of fact if she means the RW.

Kerry did fight. The one advantage Hillary has is a huge proportion of the Democrats in the media are Clinton people, who would back her, as they failed to do for Clinton.

Kerry's advantage is he is far cleaner. They had to use lies.

The point is everyone will be subject to this.

[msmcghee]

21. Your error is in assuming . .

. . that the RW measures their tactics and that they'd not attack some other Dem candidate as viciously. Sorry, but that's just stupid.

The RW has a well-oiled media operation in place with which they will try to smear and lie and Swiftboat any Dem front runner. The amount of venom and bile they will spew will only be in proportion to how likely it is that that person has a chance to defeat the current Repuke front runner - which means we will be seeing a new high in viciousness and hate speech aimed at any Dem candidate - gleefully repeated by the MSM in many cases.

If you don't like HRC that's OK - but "Oh dear, the Repukes will attack her more viciously than other Dems" for some reason - is a dumb meme at best. What we need is a candidate who's ready and willing to "deck them" when they do. As she has stated those are her intentions. It's also the case that they've pretty much shot their wad on her already - and to no avail.

In case you haven't noticed she's currently polling ahead of all Repuke candidates - and all Dem candidates. She is well-liked (at this time) by a plurality of American voters. Though that could change if she is successfully sabotaged by the far left - perhaps for not being supportive enough of the poor terrorists.

[bryant69]

37. yes but will they feel it the same way?

OK if we nominated Joe Lieberman, they'd call out the attack dogs - we know this - but they've had 16 years of hating Hilary and really deep down rock solid hate. I think that would play a role, and I don't think it's accurate to believe that they would hate another candidate the same way.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[msmcghee]

47. I went to the linked post and read your . .

. . comment about Somerby. I think you are serious about these things. (There are some here who ask such questions about HRC more in a meme spreading way.)

IMO the question we should be asking is who among the Dems has the experience, the gravitas, the smarts, the values and the political ability - to serve the US as president starting in 2009. As soon as we start hedging our bets based on how we perceive the pukes will attack our choice - we are essentially saying we're willing to nominate someone who we don't think is the best person for that job.

When I say HRC has the experience, the gravitas, the smarts, the values and the political ability to do the job - I also mean that I think she has the ability to go on the offensive and kick some serious puke butt over the next few years - wherever those butts appear in need of some kicking.

I will not pull my punches because I think the pukes will be mean to my choice. Fuck 'em. One of the main reasons I think HRC can do the job is that she has not shied from any confrontations - instead she now has had lots of in-the-trenches experience dealing with the hypocrites and toadies on the right. She knows what she's in for and she has the best US president of the last century providing support and advice.

She's my choice (and my avatar) because I'm looking forward to having a superbly prepared candidate with the finances and the political team who is itching for some serious puke ass-kicking - not because she's a woman.

[karynnj]

58. I agree

[karynnj]

55. It will be easier than for no other reason than per

some of the reports, she gave multiple explanations. Kerry actually didn't have that many of these, but when he did he simply told the truth.

[goforit]

54. Well, quite frankly, it shows intolerence of men. She won't get the man vote.

[MoseyWalker]

3. I would possibly support her

I can't stand the way the media treats her. MSNBC hags discussing whether or not she was talking about her husband. More discussion about the "two for one" deal, and that the republics will be making a big deal out of it to motivate their base. What about it motivating the Democratic base?

[Goblinmonger]

5. Don't believe the hype.

First of all it wasn't a remark. It was a question submitted to her by the audience. She just gave a "look" that got laughs. She said nothing about it. Her explanation seems just fine. She was being funny. God fucking forbid that we have someone with a sense of humor.

If this would make someone not vote for her for president, please explain who could possibily live up to your standards.

[Dawgs]

10. I don't, and never did, believe the hype, but I'm not the type that will.

I'm not even concerned about this particular comment. It's the future, plantation type, remarks that will hurt her.

I support her, and would vote for her. I just don't think it's a good idea to get behind her for the nomination-especially when there are so many other good candidates.

[hashibabba]

26. THANK YOU very much!!! Even Keith Olberman didn't clarify

that she was merely repeating a question a man asked her. I saw it on C-SPAN Saturday AFTER the anti-war rally. C-SPAN, so I'm told, NEVER shows the actual march. So people around here are bashing her for *interrupting the march*. What a load of crap.

Really lame excuses.

[Dawgs]

29. I'm still curious. What was the question, and how did she repeat it?

It's amazing that I'm the one who's getting blamed for misinterpreting something.

[Goblinmonger]

34. I don't remember the exact wording

but it was something like "How have you dealt with the evil men in your life?" She read it off the card and then just gave a kinda "oh, man" look. That's it. That's what the RW media has their undies in a bunch about. If that eliminates her from the presidency then how the hell did bush ever make it?

[Dawgs]

39. Okay, first of all that was not what happened.

Second, no one has ever said that should eliminate her from the presidency. Third, it's more than just the RW media, it's all media. And fourth, Bush made it because he does not get ratings like the Clinton's.

[Goblinmonger]

50. My apologies

That is the version I heard on the morning drive show I listen to out of Milwaukee. Of course they are kinda freepers (though hilarious when not political). Anyway, I went and read a few things. She was talking about having to deal with bad men (specifically Bin Laden). The next sentence was, "What about my past gives me experience with dealing with evil and bad men." Then there was a beat and she looked to the side and laughed. I don't even know if it was a Bill comment of a Gingrich and other rightwing assholes comment.

[Jackpine Radical]

7. I'm no Hillary fan, but there is nobody capable of getting through

a whole speech, let alone an entire campaign season, without uttering something the flacks & whores can't spin or twist into grist for the propaganda mill. If you must fault Hillary, then do it for her lack of support for Kerry when he flubbed a line.

Invented the Internet. What the meaning of is is. Dean Scream. Romney was brainwashed. Evil men. Etc. All non-issues spun into major flaps by a programmed media and abetted all too often by Democrats. It's time to stand together and shove it up their asses when they do this stuff.

[MoseyWalker]

9. what you said!

I agree completely.

[Dawgs]

14. I agree, but with her it's different, and you have to admit this.

She will be scrutinized like no other candidate in the history of politics.

Do you really think shoving back will work after 2004? The right has no problem lying and spreading rumors. How do you defend that when your side is honest?

I fault Hillary for how she dealt with the comment. If she's going to be scrutinized by the press then she needs a better response than 'I was repeating the guys question', which everyone knows was not true.

[trumad]

32. Then what would the concern trolls do with themselves?

[Jackpine Radical]

52. Trying. To. Resist. Responding. To. Straight. Line.

[karynnj]

59. You hit the nail on the head

I actually feel sorry for her in that this is an embarrassing discussion, but she had to know how much those soldiers and vets mean to Kerry - and she made a tough situation worse.

[DURHAM D]

11. I support her now - after all of the bashing by posters

on the DU. Her positions/votes should be legitimately discussed.

However, too many of you have other preferences for President (real/positive info regarding your candidate would be valid) that you attempt to camouflage; or are just out and out sexist. Either way tons of unfair, personal, snarky, juvenile remarks have been posted about Senator Clinton so I support her as a human being who wants to serve her country, particularly in the face of childish attacks by many here.

[devilgrrl]

13. Your "concern" has been noted.

:eyes:

[Dawgs]

16. Great response.

Keep ignoring the things that hurt us in the past and we'll end up with Giuliani for prez.

[DURHAM D]

18. I am with you devilg -

I am so concerned I must take to my bed with the vapors.

[RaleighNCDUer]

15. The remark was obviously not about Bill, per se, but about the

other side's perception of him as evil - but I'm surprised she didn't see that the comment would cause a big flap. She HAS to know that every word she says in public is going to be parsed, shredded, and examined with an electron microscope.

[donco6]

30. When I heard it, I honestly thought she was ref. to Bill.

Like - jokingly - "oh, I know all about "evil" men" (eyes roll, sighs, folds her arms, cue laugh track . . . )

I don't think it was that bad, but it's not gonna play in Peoria.

[OKNancy]

17. The more threads like this, the more I want to support her

What is it in my nature that makes this so?
Whatever. Three months ago I would have never thought of defending Senator Clinton.
Obama and Edwards the same.

Stop it.

[Dawgs]

19. For fucks sake, have you read my other comments.

I am not attacking Hillary. This thread has nothing to do with her personally. My remarks are aimed at the media and how she is going to be constantly scrutinized and attacked.

I would love to have her as president. I would love to support her, but we can't change the reality of the situation.

No other candidate, in the history of politics, will have ever been scrutinized like she will be. Is that what you want? What percentage of the vote did Kerry lose because people thought he was a flip-flopping soldier hater that didn't deserve his medals? Do you really think it will be any different this time?

[izzybeans]

23. I'm glad I don't have cable. I have no clue what you are talking about.

[Goblinmonger]

24. What should she do, then?

How could she possibly act to that Rove and the RW don't demonize her. If some harmless, pretty funny look is enough to set them off does she just need to create a Hillary robot that only speaks in one word sentences?

[Dawgs]

31. She can't do anything. That's my whole point.

Again, I would love for her to win. I just don't see it happening. The type of media (RW or otherwise) attention she's going to get is like nothing we have ever seen. How can so many of you deny it?

It's not about Rove or the RW, it's about all media.

[trumad]

33. And who's going to beat her if she gets the nomination?

Rudy...LOL...McCain...LOL

[Dawgs]

42. What about someone as dumb as Bush beating a Kerry or Gore?

Oh wait, that happened the last two elections. Not so funny when you think of it that way, huh?

[trumad]

45. Yeah---but wouldn't you say the tides kind of changed?

In 2004 a majority of the country was pro-war--- they aint anymore.

And as far as Bush beating Gore... well if you think that.

[Goblinmonger]

35. They are going to do this regardless

of the candidate. The American people just have to get smart enough to realize this is bullshit. I don't have a lot of faith in that happening.

[leftwingnut]

36. Not trying to pick on you...but ...who are you backing....

instead of Hillary and why?

Right now....my vote's for Hillary. Experience. Good or Bad she's experienced it all. The attack machine really doesn't have anything else to dig up...it's all pretty much out there and she is STILL leading in the polls. The way I see it...she can only go up.

[Dawgs]

43. I'm not sure if you're talking to me, but I'm backing the Democratic candidate...

who I think has the best chance of winning. That could be Gore, Clark, Edwards, Obama, or someone else... just not Hillary.

And, if you're looking at polls, how can she only go up when her disapprovals are in the mid-forties.

Again, I would love to see her win. I just don't think it will happen.

[npincus]

27. I thought it was funny.

Oh wait: Christopher Hitchens said women weren't funny.

[etherealtruth]

44. So did I

Thanks for the Hitchens info ... its good to know when we're wrong:sarcasm:

[Bluebear]

49. me too

[geek tragedy]

38. They'll Swiftboat anyone we run.

John Edwards built a big house, so he must be a hypocrite.

Hillary is really a man-hating uberfeminist who thinks her own husband is evil.

Barack Hussein Obama . . .

Dems need to grow some balls.

[Dawgs]

41. Grow some balls and do what?

Do you really think any Democrat is going to stop the media? And, if you don't think Hillary is going to get it much worse than the rest of them, then you haven't been paying attention the past 14 years.

[geek tragedy]

48. The point is that they'll pull this shit with

anyone we nominate.

Making a big deal of it does NOT help anything.

[Matariki]

40. NOW WHAT?

Damn, off the internet for more than 12 hours and I no longer know what's going on in the world.

What 'evil men..." comment?

And what's NEWS about the MSM picking on "Hillary"?

[SaveElmer]

46. If you think attacks like this are gonna gonna hurt her...

You are wrong...

The American people long ago made the judgment that the attacks on the Clinton's were bullshit...

Any new attacks simply won't be believed...and in fact will backfire engendering sympathy for Hillary...

[Virginia Dare]

51. I actually like her comment and the explanation...

which really wasn't an explanation at all. It was a very cryptic comment, and an equally cryptic explanation. The media is falling all over themselves trying to read this that and the other into it. Pure theater, and it's getting her lots of pub. She's fucking with the media clearly, and I for one respect her for it.

[Toucano]

60. I agree with you. And I'm not even a big Hillary fan.

I thought about Rush Limbaugh straight away.

[Hosnon]

53. This will work in her favor - you can quote me on that later. nt.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

57. Why? I don't know.

Let me ask Eleanor Roosevelt.

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