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Naturyl
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Wed Apr-21-10 09:58 AM Original message |
Yes, absolutely, let's punish success. |
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Oregone
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
1. Lets face it. "Success" means having a rich dad. |
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Kerrytravelers
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:01 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Ding-ding. Ding-ding. Ding-ding. We have a winner. |
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havocmom
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:01 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. That's it in a nut shell! |
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treestar
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:02 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Too often these Libertarian types refuse to recognize that aspect |
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Wed Apr-21-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
104. all the people i know of wealth were self-made. |
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Kolesar
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Wed Apr-21-10 04:31 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. Can you get me a date with one? |
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Oregone
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Wed Apr-21-10 09:37 PM Response to Reply #104 |
112. You know a lot of em? |
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Hardrada
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Thu Apr-22-10 12:42 AM Response to Reply #104 |
116. My friends are Old Money then. By comparison. |
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unpossibles
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Thu Apr-22-10 10:06 AM Response to Reply #104 |
142. and they literally started out with nothing? |
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HughBeaumont
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Thu Apr-22-10 11:20 AM Response to Reply #104 |
149. No such thing. |
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Amerigo Vespucci
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Thu Apr-22-10 08:57 AM Response to Reply #1 |
131. A 100% true, real-life "rich dad" success (actually, failure) story... |
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Ticonderoga
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Thu Apr-22-10 10:49 AM Response to Reply #1 |
143. You nailed it. |
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mainer
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
4. How about if success is rising from blue collar to factory owner... |
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Naturyl
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:03 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Everyone claims wealth is a meritocracy. |
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kenfrequed
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Thu Apr-22-10 08:45 AM Response to Reply #6 |
125. Which I find ironic |
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treestar
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:03 AM Original message |
In the rare cases where that happens |
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mainer
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
8. by all means, off with JK Rowling's head |
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redqueen
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:05 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Has JK Rowling moved here to get out of paying high taxes yet? |
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mainer
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:07 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Maybe you missed the fact I was being sarcastic |
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Naturyl
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:13 AM Response to Reply #12 |
19. No, I don't believe in "meritocracy" to begin with. |
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Silent3
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:39 AM Response to Reply #19 |
49. "Repay" to what extent? |
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Oregone
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:14 AM Response to Reply #12 |
20. "Yet the OP would deny that rich people like her exist" |
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redqueen
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:14 AM Response to Reply #12 |
21. Where did the OP say that there is no such thing? |
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Orsino
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Wed Apr-21-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #12 |
60. OP didn't say that. |
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treestar
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Wed Apr-21-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
79. So she is not claiming her taxes are "punishing" her for success |
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treestar
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Wed Apr-21-10 02:12 PM Response to Reply #10 |
78. Yeah I missed the part where she's complaining about her taxes |
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mainer
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Wed Apr-21-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #78 |
90. I miss the part where the OP mentions progressive taxes |
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DissedByBush
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Thu Apr-22-10 07:23 AM Response to Reply #10 |
119. Michael Schumacher moved out of Germany |
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redqueen
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Thu Apr-22-10 08:53 AM Response to Reply #119 |
127. He's greedy, not evil, and he deserves to be taxed. |
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DissedByBush
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Fri Apr-23-10 06:30 PM Response to Reply #127 |
151. Greed is what we saw recently here |
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HillbillyBob
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:10 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Oh Pulease. I bet you did not see JK Rowlings commencement |
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mainer
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:11 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Oh, Puhleese -- did you not get the sarcasm? |
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Bluenorthwest
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:23 AM Response to Reply #15 |
36. You said that. Not the OP |
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EOTE
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Wed Apr-21-10 11:31 AM Response to Reply #15 |
56. Wow, you just don't get it. She's not being punished, nor would anyone want to punish her. |
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mainer
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Wed Apr-21-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #56 |
74. The OP wants to PUNISH (OP's words) the successful |
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treestar
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Wed Apr-21-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #74 |
81. The OP is obviously talking about how the Libertarians and free |
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NoSheep
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Wed Apr-21-10 03:44 PM Response to Reply #81 |
100. That's the problem. It's too obvious. |
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EOTE
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Thu Apr-22-10 08:55 AM Response to Reply #74 |
130. Apparently you're not familiar with rhetorical techniques. |
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treestar
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Wed Apr-21-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #15 |
80. So is your real point that you think her taxes are a punishment? |
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mainer
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Wed Apr-21-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #80 |
89. My point is the OP wants to punish the successful |
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NoSheep
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Wed Apr-21-10 03:43 PM Response to Reply #15 |
99. I do NOT think you have any reason to say the OP thinks ALL wealthy people are bad. |
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kenfrequed
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Thu Apr-22-10 09:00 AM Response to Reply #15 |
133. Actually you don't get it |
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Naturyl
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:15 AM Response to Reply #13 |
24. Good for her. If she has "merit," I'd say it's for this |
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Bluenorthwest
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:16 AM Response to Reply #8 |
25. You need to read Ms Rowling's recent piece in the Guardian |
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mainer
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:18 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. My point is that the OP can't distinguish who is being punished |
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Naturyl
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:29 AM Response to Reply #29 |
44. You're not getting it. I don't care. |
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Bluenorthwest
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:30 AM Response to Reply #29 |
46. The OP does not say what you insist it says. |
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mainer
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Wed Apr-21-10 03:02 PM Response to Reply #46 |
93. Then it should say "stop calling crime stories success stories." |
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miscsoc
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Wed Apr-21-10 01:45 PM Response to Reply #25 |
76. it was in the times, actually |
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Oregone
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:03 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Social mobility in America is dead |
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mainer
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:06 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Everyone gets the benefits of schools, roads, and police. |
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Oregone
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:12 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. LOL |
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mainer
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:13 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Um ... me for example? |
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druidity33
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:16 AM Response to Reply #18 |
26. good for you! nt. |
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Oregone
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:17 AM Response to Reply #18 |
28. So you are a rabid exception who has formed an ancedotal rule |
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mainer
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:20 AM Response to Reply #28 |
33. I as asked to give an example because apparently, it just doesn't happen. |
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Oregone
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:24 AM Response to Reply #33 |
39. Of course it happens. We can name plenty of famous people. Afterall, they are famous |
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iris27
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Wed Apr-21-10 12:49 PM Response to Reply #33 |
67. You weren't asked for an example, you were asked for a percentage. |
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mainer
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Wed Apr-21-10 01:36 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Are there statistics on this? Or are you asking the unanswerable? |
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laughingliberal
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Wed Apr-21-10 02:36 PM Response to Reply #72 |
85. I don't know the statistics but I do know studies have shown what a person's father does for a |
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Oregone
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Wed Apr-21-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #85 |
98. Here are some stats: |
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Oregone
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Wed Apr-21-10 03:30 PM Response to Reply #72 |
97. Your statistic is meaningless without defining what wealthy is |
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kenfrequed
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Thu Apr-22-10 09:22 AM Response to Reply #33 |
138. Uhm |
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mainer
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Wed Apr-21-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #28 |
73. If I weren't the exception, then everyone would be millionaires |
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Oregone
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Wed Apr-21-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #73 |
95. dupe |
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Jim Sagle
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Thu Apr-22-10 09:10 AM Response to Reply #95 |
136. No, you're the dupe for engaging with such a blatant corporatist troll. |
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Oregone
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Wed Apr-21-10 03:27 PM Response to Reply #73 |
96. Define non-wealthy. |
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Naturyl
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:19 AM Response to Reply #18 |
31. Oh, we already knew you were wealthy. |
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mainer
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:21 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. I'm a rich socialist. That's what I am. |
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Naturyl
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:23 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. You're a rich socialist? |
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mainer
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:25 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Socialism does not equal "seizing wealth" |
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Oregone
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:29 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. What do you think it means? |
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Hannah Bell
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Wed Apr-21-10 01:56 PM Response to Reply #43 |
77. he thinks socialism = having a dole. |
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NoSheep
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Wed Apr-21-10 03:46 PM Response to Reply #34 |
101. Your thinking is the only Black or White thinking I'm seeing here. |
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treestar
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Wed Apr-21-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #18 |
82. Do you complain about taxes? |
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mainer
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Wed Apr-21-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #82 |
91. No, I don't. I've repeatedly called for taxes of 50% |
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treestar
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Wed Apr-21-10 07:26 PM Response to Reply #91 |
111. I agree that goes overboard in DU at times |
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Thu Apr-22-10 09:01 AM Response to Reply #91 |
135. HELLOOOO!!! That's the point! |
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druidity33
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:15 AM Response to Reply #16 |
23. +100. nt. |
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InkAddict
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:23 AM Response to Reply #11 |
37. Not hard to do at all...just live rent-free w/Mommy and Daddy |
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Hello_Kitty
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Wed Apr-21-10 03:15 PM Response to Reply #11 |
94. If I had a rich dad who died and left me $5 million yesterday. |
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Common Sense Party
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:04 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Yes, because EVERY rich person is a trust fund baby who never |
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mainer
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:10 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. And they all twist their black mustaches and cackle evilly |
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Common Sense Party
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:16 AM Response to Reply #14 |
27. Don't forget the monocle and top hat. |
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blindpig
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:39 AM Response to Reply #14 |
48. It ain't about 'people' |
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treestar
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Wed Apr-21-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #9 |
83. What difference does it make? |
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daleanime
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:18 AM Response to Reply #4 |
30. Because those folks... |
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Zipp
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Wed Apr-21-10 11:42 AM Response to Reply #4 |
57. The Obama's made over $5 million last year |
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iris27
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Wed Apr-21-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #4 |
66. The former welfare mom you speak of considers paying her high UK taxes to be patriotic. |
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Hannah Bell
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Wed Apr-21-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
75. lol. well-traveled, college-educated "welfare mother" formerly married to a TV newsman. |
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laughingliberal
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Wed Apr-21-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #4 |
84. Ah, yes! Horatio Alger. The story that keeps Americans voting against themselves. nt |
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Hello_Kitty
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Wed Apr-21-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
86. And raising their marginal tax rate from 35% to 39% is a horrible injustice because, why? eom |
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mainer
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Wed Apr-21-10 03:00 PM Response to Reply #86 |
92. Where did I call it a horrible injustice? WHERE? You can't answer that, can you? |
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iris27
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Wed Apr-21-10 09:47 PM Response to Reply #92 |
114. You've been told several times on this thread that the reference to "punish" is |
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Wed Apr-21-10 04:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
107. there's no problem with that as long as they |
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AngryOldDem
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Thu Apr-22-10 07:33 AM Response to Reply #4 |
120. That's cool. My hat's off to 'em. |
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Thu Apr-22-10 08:59 AM Response to Reply #4 |
132. then perhaps they don't fit any of the conditionals listed in the OP |
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unpossibles
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Thu Apr-22-10 11:04 AM Response to Reply #4 |
146. yes, a successful person who used to live on welfare owes absolutely nothing back to the system |
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BolivarianHero
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
17. Luxury to me... |
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mrcheerful
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Wed Apr-21-10 11:43 AM Response to Reply #17 |
58. Sure the hell beats my luxury, $20 for a meal once a month at a OCB |
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BolivarianHero
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Thu Apr-22-10 08:26 AM Response to Reply #58 |
124. Ah... |
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eShirl
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
22. It would be nice if we all as a society moved to a different concept of what success means. |
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
32. How about if we first stop rewarding it in excess? |
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Burma Jones
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:27 AM Response to Reply #32 |
41. Ding Ding Ding |
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
35. Yes, if "punish" means reasonable, progressive taxation based on income, |
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mainer
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:28 AM Response to Reply #35 |
42. I doubt that's what the OP considers punishment |
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:42 AM Response to Reply #42 |
50. Certainly Congress, Obama, and all Republicans consider it punishment. It |
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Oregone
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:47 AM Response to Reply #42 |
51. You don't do tongue-in-cheek much? |
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
45. I think (correct me if I'm wrong) the OP was more aiming at the RW phrase "punish success" |
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GoCubsGo
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Wed Apr-21-10 12:59 PM Response to Reply #45 |
69. That's how I read it, too. |
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Ozymanithrax
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Wed Apr-21-10 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
47. Why not move to a third world country and feed a family of 9 on $1.00 a day...n/t |
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dmallind
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Wed Apr-21-10 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
52. OK - gimme details |
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Cresent City Kid
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Wed Apr-21-10 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
53. No one gets rich in a vacuum |
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On the Road
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Wed Apr-21-10 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
54. Successful People, |
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Zipp
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Wed Apr-21-10 09:46 PM Response to Reply #54 |
113. Right! Get an education and work hard... |
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SocialistLez
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Wed Apr-21-10 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
55. Tax wealth, not work |
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Orsino
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Wed Apr-21-10 11:43 AM Response to Reply #55 |
59. I've got no problem with taxing both... |
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SocialistLez
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Wed Apr-21-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. I see what you're saying and I agree. NT |
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mainer
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Wed Apr-21-10 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
62. I sometimes wonder if these "eat the rich" threads are by GOP trolls |
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ZeitgeistObserver
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Wed Apr-21-10 12:01 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. It plays to everything in 'Atlas Shrugged' by Rand, |
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blindpig
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Wed Apr-21-10 12:30 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. What a fucking laugh |
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laughingliberal
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Wed Apr-21-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #62 |
87. I don't think they are. I think we are Democrats who never bought into Reagan's crap |
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NoSheep
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Wed Apr-21-10 03:47 PM Response to Reply #62 |
103. I thought it was more of an "Eat the STINKING Rich" kind of thread-LOL |
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Wed Apr-21-10 03:57 PM Response to Reply #62 |
105. I am Glad Someone Has The Courage To Stand Up for the Rich (TM) |
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Lilith Velkor
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Thu Apr-22-10 01:07 AM Response to Reply #105 |
117. LOL |
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Naturyl
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Wed Apr-21-10 05:16 PM Response to Reply #62 |
108. Again you equate wealth to "success" |
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sui generis
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Thu Apr-22-10 12:16 PM Response to Reply #62 |
150. I've got your back on that |
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jotsy
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Wed Apr-21-10 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
64. Success should not be punished. Benefiting from a lack of fairness is not success. |
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av8rdave
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Wed Apr-21-10 01:31 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. Is taxing wealth punishing success? |
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jotsy
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Thu Apr-22-10 01:28 AM Response to Reply #71 |
118. I measure by merit, not means. |
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TwilightGardener
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Wed Apr-21-10 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
68. From those to whom much is given, much is expected in return. |
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ZeitgeistObserver
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Wed Apr-21-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Luke 12:48 |
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B Calm
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Wed Apr-21-10 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
88. Hell I got more taxes back this year than I ever did under Bush! |
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Odin2005
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Wed Apr-21-10 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
102. A-FUCKING-MEN!!! |
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Spike89
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Wed Apr-21-10 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
109. reinvest the investments that made it possible |
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Kitty Herder
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Wed Apr-21-10 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
110. Hell yes! |
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Wednesdays
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Wed Apr-21-10 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
115. I'm just amazed at how many on this thread actually defend fat cats |
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AngryOldDem
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Thu Apr-22-10 07:38 AM Response to Reply #115 |
121. I'm not. Not at all. |
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Thu Apr-22-10 08:19 AM Response to Reply #121 |
123. yes, and many people who have those resources do. |
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Thu Apr-22-10 08:50 AM Response to Reply #123 |
126. True enough, but... |
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Thu Apr-22-10 09:15 AM Response to Reply #126 |
137. I'll agree with that for sure. |
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Thu Apr-22-10 11:09 AM Response to Reply #137 |
147. I agree wholeheartedly with your last paragraph. |
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Thu Apr-22-10 08:55 AM Response to Reply #123 |
129. Nice strawman! |
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Thu Apr-22-10 09:00 AM Response to Reply #129 |
134. it always amazes me |
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Thu Apr-22-10 09:31 AM Response to Reply #134 |
139. Err... |
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Thu Apr-22-10 09:51 AM Response to Reply #139 |
141. what in hell are you babbling about? |
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Thu Apr-22-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #141 |
144. Deleted message |
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Thu Apr-22-10 11:04 AM Response to Reply #144 |
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Thu Apr-22-10 11:18 AM Response to Reply #144 |
148. self delete |
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Thu Apr-22-10 08:54 AM Response to Reply #115 |
128. I think they're greedy and selfish themselves... |
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Thu Apr-22-10 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
122. I have to piss in your wheaties, and I'm not sorry. |
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Thu Apr-22-10 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
140. For those of you trying to dispute the OP with examples of self made millionaires. |
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Fri Apr-23-10 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
152. I would rec if I could |
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