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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 01:33 PM Original message |
"Colored folks all work on de Mississippi, Colored folks all work while de White folks play." |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
1. Uggh. Freepers are LOSING it |
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Rebubula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 01:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. OK... |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 07:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
63. The song was written by a former Vice President of the NAACP |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
2. "Old Man River" is racist? |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:02 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. Put yourself in that student's shoes nt |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #2 |
31. Remember when it was written; at a time when such |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
49. "Show Boat", the musical from which Old Man River" is taken is about racism |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 12:01 PM Response to Reply #2 |
68. Wait...You're Actually Paying Attention To What the Song Is SAYING? We Don't DO That On DU! |
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CBGLuthier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
3. Paul Robeson laughs at all of you |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 01:51 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. It's Bowdlerizing, and it is a heinous act against art. |
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Wilber_Stool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
13. I just watched "Show Boat" on TCM.........n/t |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:58 PM Response to Reply #3 |
56. i doubt that -- since he himself changed the lyrics in his own performances, and wouldn't perform |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
4. After the controversy, did they switch to the Paul Robeson version of the lyrics? |
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theophilus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Well, they're great alright. He does say he would like to be Ol' |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
26. Or the Stan Freberg version |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #26 |
101. love stan freberg. apparently forgotten. |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
5. Show Boat was on TCM last week. |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
8. We've got to get our acts together, |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:35 PM Response to Reply #8 |
21. "niggers work on de Mississippi; niggers work while de white folks play." |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. Oh, you've heard that in some production, |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
9. "Old Man River" is a classic |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:21 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Exactly, Warpy, and we've got to acknowledge |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:22 PM Response to Reply #9 |
53. All you'd have to do is play the video from the 1936 version of Show Boat |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
11. Clearly they're oversensitive reverse racists. And it's just a few bad apples, too. |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. "niggers work on de Mississippi; niggers work while de white folks play." |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Obviously you hate white folks. |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #20 |
33. and neither did Paul Robeson. |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #11 |
45. Racism is racism. How can there be a reverse of it? |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:54 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. I'm very sorry your snarkometer is broken. |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
15. When that song was written, "colored" was the polite term. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. It seems that it still is in certain references. Actress Halle Berry used the |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 06:04 PM Response to Reply #15 |
57. when that song was written, "colored" wasn't the term that was used |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
16. I noticed they rewrote one of the songs in "Westside Story" too. |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 02:12 PM Response to Reply #16 |
70. Many Musicals Are Changed For the Movies. |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
17. According to this source, the original lyrics were assigned: |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. "niggers work on de Mississippi; niggers work while de white folks play." |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:36 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. That word was used all through the miniseries "Roots". |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. So a music teacher feels it's ok to have a student sing it? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:39 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. He probably doesn't now. n/t |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:39 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. would you feel comfortable if you were the only female student in a class |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. If it were an old classic? Yes. I would consider it of historical curiosity. |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:44 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. I guess your comment proves that racism is worse |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. My comment only proves that literature and song through the ages |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. I just hope you're not a teacher |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. I'm just an old woman who is not a teacher, but I am a minority myself. |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 12:06 PM Response to Reply #38 |
69. I Just Hope That YOU Are Never In a Position to Teach Anyone Anything |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. good analogy |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #24 |
35. That's not a good analogy, because "c*nt" has never been used |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 07:43 PM Response to Reply #35 |
62. And you really shouldn't put it in the title of your post either |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
34. Another commentator's take : |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:11 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. So what? You don't tell a student to sing a song littered with the word "n*gger" |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Thinking it over, why would a soprano, contralto or alto be |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:38 PM Response to Reply #42 |
54. Search for "Old Man River" on YouTube - there are versions by women |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Unless it's rap..... |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:38 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Well, it should be someone's personal choice |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:49 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Here's the problem. Much of musical theater is becoming "Classical Music" now |
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burning rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
36. No sense in worrying about someone dumb enough to think this wouldn't cause problems. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #36 |
48. Actually, there's a lot of reason to worry: this wasn't a "dumb" mistake but an uninformed one |
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burning rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:34 AM Response to Reply #48 |
65. I don't see any reason to doubt Lebherz understood the original context & "slant" of the song. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
41. I wondered about Stephen Foster songs |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
47. The song in the OP was written by a former Vice President of the NAACP |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
50. The words in the OP title are not usually sung with Old Man River (they are in the backup chorus) |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:12 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Let's try this again. Imagine if Rush Limbaugh was a professor and assigned |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 06:40 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. None of us here knows whether or not the professor explained |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 07:39 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. But if the song was a solo, we DO know that the words in the OP were not used |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 07:36 PM Response to Reply #51 |
59. Let's try this again, ecstatic: And this time, listen. Really. Listen. |
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The Green Manalishi (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:52 AM Response to Reply #59 |
67. I think you are arguing with one of the densest people I've EVER |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 08:26 AM Response to Reply #67 |
71. One last time for the people living in their own worlds |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
52. Guess we should print a sanitized edition of... |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 07:41 PM Response to Reply #52 |
61. There's a difference between novels and performances. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 09:52 AM Response to Reply #61 |
74. as does the default context of any work of art.... |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
64. It's not a very good song |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
66. Context Be Damned! Words Are All! |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 08:27 AM Response to Reply #66 |
72. see post 71 |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 09:59 AM Response to Reply #72 |
76. See Post 75 |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 09:39 AM Response to Reply #66 |
73. Where exactly did you get the impression that this was a performance for |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 09:58 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Where Exactly Did You Get the Impression That That Makes the Slightest Bit of Fucking Difference? |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #75 |
82. When exactly did you get the idea that having your head up your ass made you an expert |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:51 PM Response to Reply #82 |
89. What You Think Is Too Much To Ask Is, Thankfully, Not Relevant. |
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political_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
77. Isn't it sad that there are people who won't even "see" the racism involved? |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:03 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Not As Sad As the People Crying "Racism" Who Aren't Even the Slightest Bit Familiar With the Song |
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political_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:13 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. "Crying Racism" is an accusation from a racist who won't come to grips with his animus. |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Yeah, You're Right. Everyone Who Disagrees With You Is Racist. |
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political_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. I'll remember that the next time, "BIGOT" gets shouted out. Thank you. |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:39 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. You Do That. I'll Be Happy To Instruct You As To Whether It Is Or Isn't Appropriate. |
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political_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #85 |
92. That would be the most boring and self-centered lesson I'd ever get. |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Suit Yourself. Some People Prefer To Remain Ignorant. |
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political_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:20 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. Fine. Au Revoir. I've got other topics to deal with. |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. Really? Did Someone Try to Teach Huckleberry Finn In a School Somewhere? |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. Not everyone. But you? Hell yeah. n/t |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:39 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Yeah, You Know Me So Well. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. I don't need to know you well at all. But I damn sure know an asshole |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:56 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. I Never Once Told the Student To Suck It Up. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Brighter? Hardly but then I don't feel the need to prove my intelligence to |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #91 |
95. You Have an Extremely Unhealthy Obsession With Heads Up Asses |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #77 |
88. They just don't want to hear what people of color have to say if what they say dares to |
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political_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. We've got a live specimen in this thread. And it is a sight to behold. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:21 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. Yes I've seen it. I've relegated it to ignore. I really can't be bothered at this point. |
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political_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. I am too. Life is too short to be dealing with the assholes of the world. |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. What An Awesome Lovefest. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
84. Cultural mores change. If people are offended by it, pick a different song. |
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