"Ancient Aliens" on History Channel now -- 8-10pm . . . repeats at 12pm . . .

[defendandprotect]

for any interested --- !!!

:tinfoilhat:

[Blue-Jay]

1. What? Like Xenu?

[defendandprotect]

2. It says . . .

"Ancient Aliens"

Ancient relics and legendary tales from the Dogon, Hopi, Zuni and Han civilizations

provide evidence claiming extraterrestrials visited and interacted with

human beings and possibly altered the course of history on Earth.

[Cleita]

3. Sounds interesting, but tonight I have other shows I'd like to watch.

They do repeat stuff so I will keep an eye out for them.

[Blue-Jay]

8. 'V' is on in a few minutes, so I'll opt for the better science fiction.

[John1956PA]

4. This borrows from Eric von Däniken's "In Search of Ancient Astronauts" from 1973.

In fact, Erich von Däniken is featured prominently in "Ancient Aliens." I recall being impressed with "In Search of Ancient Astronauts" when it first aired, and I am glad the subject is being revisited - as is the earth, too?

[defendandprotect]

5. Yes . . . I missed the first 2/3rd of this -- but also a lot of new stuff, I think?

Haven't been able to pay as much attention as I would like -

I'll catch it at 12pm...


Just covering interesting concept of "DNA genetic junk = 95% of our DNA" ...

which they are speculating could be examined to show our past evolution -- and

perhaps alien intervention?

[John1956PA]

6. Yes. There is new material, and the production holds the viewer's interest.

The technology used to place the grooves in the stones at Pumapunku (Puma Punka) can not be explained. Neither can the evenly spaced, perfectly drilled holes which appear in the grooves.


http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_6.htm

[defendandprotect]

7. Yes -- thank you -- and I don't think that is the only example of

of workmanship which cannot be accounted for -- ????

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

39. You're right, no human being would stack books like that.

[Maine-ah]

51. lofl!!

:rofl:

[John1956PA]

70. The picture in my post is not of a book. It is of a stone with grooves and holes of unknown origin.

This is a very hard stone, and it would be difficult for even modern technology to mill it and to bore holes in it.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

76. Modern technology could reduce that stone to dust in seconds.

Ancient people would have taken a few weeks to carve it with stone tools.

[John1956PA]

86. The stone is made of diorite. Therefore, stone tools would not be hard enough to shape it.

Although, depending upon the particular composition of the diorite which forms the stone, it may have been amenable to shaping by quartz tools.

[Posteritatis]

87. It's diorite, not mithril. (nt)

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

90. It's around 5-7 on the Mohs scale.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diorite#Historic_use

Or is that an ancient alien pot that the Egyptians had?

[snooper2]

72. You really do believe anything you see or hear

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Oh, FYI, There is NO way that the pyramids were constructed by humans, look it up D&P- there's some great material on it out there on the Internets

[SemiCharmedQuark]

79. So thousands of scientists talking about the science of landing on the moon is farce

but one nutjob entertainment show about mating with aliens is all good?

Really?

[Warren DeMontague]

9. How did they survive the Van Allen Radiation Belts that you claim wouldve killed apollo astrounatus?

:shrug:

[htuttle]

11. "People get so hung up on specifics, they miss out on seeing the whole thing."

"Take South America for example. Every year in South America thousands of people turn up missing. Nobody knows where they go. They just disappear. But if you think for a minute, realize something: there had to be a time when there was no people right? Well, where did all these people come from? I'll tell you where: the future. Where did all these people disappear to: the past. How did they get there? Flying saucers, which are really, yeah, you got it: time machines."

[MUAD_DIB]

13. I loved that movie.

[Warren DeMontague]

32. "I do my best thinking on the bus. That's how come I don't drive, see."

"The more you drive... the less intelligent you are"






...between that and your DU name, you obviously have excellent taste in movies. :thumbsup:

[Archae]

10. Total...BULLSHIT!

:grr:

One of their primary "sources" is convicted embezzler and perjurer Eric Von Daniken.

The whole premise, that ancient humans were too dumb to tie their shoes until "aliens taught them," is 100% total bullshit. Nothing more, nothing less.

[ZeitgeistObserver]

12. Von Daniken filched the idea from others.

Not just plagiarized, pinched it wholesale.

[Archae]

14. Oh yes.

He also simply MADE UP all of his book, "Gold Of The Gods."

[ZeitgeistObserver]

18. Started a whole new line of inquiry though.

It's well known now, and often accepted.

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. Accepted by WHO?

Granted I read Chariots when I was 13 and found it engaging. And this is well done, like the this Exodus story is real and here is proof.

No main stream historian will give these guys the time of day. Now us sci fi writers watch these things and MINE THEM for ideas...

[ZeitgeistObserver]

26. A great many people these days.

On digs, on TV, in popular culture. The idea filtered through long ago.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. Yep popular culture mined it

for what it is, a great piece of FICTION that leads to rich ideas... Galactica anyone?

This does not mean that this is accepted as valid. This is why we call it FICTION... and as that it is wonderful.

[ZeitgeistObserver]

30. Of course it did, and the idea spread.

And now a great many people regard it as valid.

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. Yes, but that does not make it true

Look there is life out there, even intelligent life, but this theory has WAY TOO MANY HOLES.

So this is a new age religion, to be honest.

As I like to ask people who believe this... WHY...

And yes, there is this troublesome aspect of evolution. We are firmly set on this world and it's own history of life.

[ZeitgeistObserver]

34. Why are you arguing with me?

The topic here is a book and a TV show. That's all.

Your personal beliefs don't come into it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. Yes they do, but it appears taht this bothers you

by the way I have used this theory extensively in Fiction I have authored. Ba'al, so the theory goes, was not human but an Alien, a Gray... if you will. And finally humans and Tal come into conflict, a war of extermination.

So yes I have mined it myself, extensively. But that does not mean that there is actual evidence out there that this is actually for real. Like you know in the real history books and archeological record or genetic record. If the TV does show it, don't mean is true... and the program is well done... but like other UFO programs it would not run in a REAL history channel.

Now you are free to ignore me, if this challenges this new age religion. By the way, this is a strange iteration of a real religion, called the Cargo Cult.

[ZeitgeistObserver]

36. I don't appreciate conversion attempts.

either at my door, or online. The rest of us are discussing a book and TV show, not your religion.

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. My religion? buddy this started with me asking you for

ANY REAL EXPERTS? LIKE OH HISTORIANS.

I see I stepped on really nasty bits. YOU BELIEVE THIS IS REAL. Well then, my apologies... I will never try to convert anybody who have a religious conviction on ANYTHING.

[ZeitgeistObserver]

40. It started out with me mentioning Von Daniken

filched his ideas from others. Nothing more.

From there you've worked this into MY belief in aliens somehow, and decided to convert me!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

41. How is it anybody else's fault...

if you purposefully choose to believe stupid shit that isn't true?

[ZeitgeistObserver]

43. Because I said nothing about believing in it.

You lot just made that up, and merrily bopped down the wrong road with it.

Stop jumping all over people for simple comments.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

44. So you're saying that aliens really didn't visit human beings in the past?

Then why not just come out and say it?

[ZeitgeistObserver]

48. I haven't said ANYthing about the theory.

I said Von Daniken stole the idea, but that it has since become very popular, and widely accepted.

Much like the da Vinci code novel, whatever you think of the novel, has become a popular and widely accepted idea.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

50. so... then you do think aliens visited ancient humans...

make up your mind.

[ZeitgeistObserver]

52. So you believe in ghosts eh?

You must do, because someone is whispering strange things in your ear.

Take my word for it, that's just you talking to yourself. It's not real.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

53. No. I do not believe in ghosts.

See how I did that? I just came out and said what I did or didn't believe.

I did go around saying "well, a lot of people believe in ghosts. Doctor Venkman has a very interesting video on ghosts and lots of people believe the videos. OMG, stop judging me! I didn't say I believe in ghosts!"

[ZeitgeistObserver]

54. That's good, because yours don't speak English.

Either that or you don't understand English, I'm not sure which.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

55. I'm actually speaking Zendorian IV.

You know Zendorian IV, we uplinked the language into your brain through your anus back when we probed you in 1979.

[ZeitgeistObserver]

56. That wouldn't surprise me.

I hope you do better with that than you do with simple English.

[csziggy]

82. No, Charles Fort did it long before and with much more humor

Look him up.

[Posteritatis]

83. Often accepted by idiots. (nt)

[Johonny]

88. hardly accepted as the version of the show with experts shows

There are two versions of this show I've seen on History. By far the better of them, is the one with the experts that get like 2 % of the show to show the problems with the "theory". Lucky the theory is so laugh out loud funny and poorly thought out their 2 % of the show was all they needed.

[comrade snarky]

21. I love this bit

These are ancient models of airplanes. See wings! Tails! They must be airplanes!



Not fish... fish would be crazy. Why would they make a model of a fish that doesn't look like a realistic fish? After all no other pre-columbian depiction of an animal is stylized in any way.

Like this completely naturalistic cat.

[Johonny]

74. Of course but totally entertaining

His book is horrible on the other hand. One of the worst written piece of insanity ever put together. It has no flow, no actual theory or tangible evidence. Just a bunch of what if sentences that run over 100 pages. While totally ignoring the real evidence that is counter to every what if he makes. Yawn. This special however will get anyone giggling on the floor that also enjoys Monster Quest or UFO hunters for their pure insane entertainment value. While the camera's only caught a few squirrels today...

[nemo137]

15. I've always found ancient astronaut theories to be a little racist

in the same kind of way that lost civilization myths are racist. "These brown people could not have done this! Therefore, aliens/wandering lemurians/the lost white christian kingdom of Prester John did this."

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. A little?

They're often the same people.

[ZeitgeistObserver]

19. Didn't involve just 'brown people'.

And the color of the aliens isn't known.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

20. The color of the aliens?

ZO, the color of the aliens is whatever you imagine, because the aliens are imaginary.

[ZeitgeistObserver]

25. No, it was never mentioned.

We're discussing a TV show here and a book. Color wasn't mentioned in either.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

29. "The color of the aliens isn't known"

LOL

[Archae]

38. I find it to be a LOT racist.

Von Daniken never gives "alien astronaut" explanations for any of Europe's ancient structures or fanciful art.

Only Central and South American, and Africans were such big dummies in Von Daniken's view that they need alien help to be able to put one rock on top of another.

[nemo137]

57. Yeah, there's really no getting around it.

It's been a while since I've seen the show (or a very similar one, I'm not sure), but I don't recall any mention of stonehenge in it.

[ZeitgeistObserver]

58. Stonehenge, Avebury, henges throughout Europe

are all involved. Even remote stone buildings north of Scotland.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

59. Aliens built Skara Brae too, did they?

[ZeitgeistObserver]

61. Did they? How do you know that?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

62. You're claiming it.

Or was it some other stone ruins in northern Scotland that you were discussing in the defense of this woo woo?

[ZeitgeistObserver]

63. No, I said they were part of the theory.

You appear to have corn syrup stuck in your ears.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

64. Yes, the theory that you're defending.

And appear to know an awful lot about.

[ZeitgeistObserver]

65. I can also knowledgeably discuss the Bible, Mein Kampf,

Greek mythology, classic Chinese poetry, Shakespeare and even Japanese space movies.

You need to get out more.

[lumberjack_jeff]

75. If aliens are responsible for bronze age european culture....

... then they were pretty lackluster aliens.

If you're going to attribute the development of ancient cultures on aliens, you have to at least pick a non-barbarian culture.

If aliens are responsible for stonehenge, then whoever built Giza, Chichen itza and Machu Pichu obviously kicked their asses and sent them home.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

16. Is that before or after Hitler's Haunted UFOs?

[comrade snarky]

23. That's on Thursday

This is after the Nostradamus Hour of Power.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

24. Oh, the Nostradamus Hour of Power

With the same narrator of Why Martin Luther King Shot the Great Republican Hero JFK.

[comrade snarky]

28. Dude you are so out of touch

It wasn't Martin Luther King, he was too busy helping plan the fake moon landing!

It was the alien lizard Queen what did in that secret republican.

[Elwood P Dowd]

33. Here is proof from China of a 2008 Alien visit.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/2528045/Bush-plays-volleyball.html?image=1

[ThoughtCriminal]

42. Despite the crap

Stargate was a pretty good movie and the SG-1 series was worthy.

OK, maybe not a cool as Wormhole X-Treme!

[ZeitgeistObserver]

45. i'm watching a Stargate show now.

One with Dr Nick Rush. I've seen him in previous BBC shows.

Interesting, also irritating show.

[nadinbrzezinski]

47. This has been a great place for creatives to mine

:-)

galactica... both the cheeky version and the recent version...

And there are many others.

[MkapX]

46. Aliens and Ghost

You know what my favorite show on TV is...Ghost Hunters. It's a bunch of dudes sitting around in a so called haunted area and saying stuff like "what was that?" "Did you see that?" "Over there!" and it always just happens OFF CAMERA as if the so called ghost are camera shy. Then they have this audio tape they play at the "reveal" which is obivously someone whsipering stuff into a mic.

[immoderate]

80. And the spin-offs...

Animal Planet now has animal ghost hunters, animals are so much sensitive to spirit presence, dontha know?

--imm

[csziggy]

85. Watch the British one "Most Haunted" - it makes Ghost Hunters seem like Einstein

What I love is they are out there looking for ghosts and at the slightest noise they freak out, scream and run. Or they all stand around asking each other "Did you hear that? What was that?" If any ghost were trying to contact them they would be totally frustrated. YouTube has some out takes that are hilarious.

[quickesst]

49. If you didn't want....

...the ridicule, snarkiness, and insults, why in the hell did you state your opinion on the subject with such a long diatribe requesting that everyone respond with their own opinion on this TEEVEE show?:sarcasm: Oh, wait, you didn't do any of that. Although I missed it on the first go-round, I hope to dvr it and watch it later. Thanks for the basic information that in no way invited opinion, argument, nor insult, although apparently, many cannot help themselves.
quickesst

[billh58]

60. If you see Gort

please tell him, Klaatu barada nikto. Otherwise we will all need to move to Arizona, and show our papers to the Republican Greys.

[Duer 157099]

66. That was entertaining. No real new info though

I'm inclined towards Francis Crick's view about directed panspermia.

Here's the thing though. If you look at it like some alien race came here and somehow did some genetic experiments that resulted in the human race, you still have to wonder about the conservation of genes from other species.

Unless when they arrived, they came aboard a Noah's Ark sort of thing where they brought *most* of the advanced life forms with them.

Or, they made multiple trips with multiple purposes.

But that's just the "ancient astronaut" angle, which seems to have lots of support in ancient mythologies.

The most intriguing thing they mentioned was something I had put on my "think about this" list several years ago and then forgot about: the notion that all the "junk" DNA actually encodes some sort of "record" of the species, an appendix of sorts (not *that* kind of appendix).

The big problem though with that is that DNA is so prone to random mutation, and without some sort of selective pressure, that "appendix" or whatever it is would very soon be corrupted beyond all recognition. Unless there is selective pressure of a sort we don't yet recognize, which very well may be true.

[Warren DeMontague]

67. No. Seriously. You deny the moon landings happened, but you believe this shit?

What is your standard for empirical evidence?

[Puzzler]

68. Speaking of Von Daniken, he was a racist...

... and most (if not all) of his ancient astronauts crap was motivated by his desire to belittle relatively advanced non-European cultures. Yes, Eric, there were smart "dark-skinned" people too who could built stuff!

[entanglement]

69. He's also a fraud n/t

[bhcodem]

71. Repeat?

I believe it also repeats Saturday evening for those of us with no social life.

[MilesColtrane]

73. .

[Joanne98]

77. I love that show

[Blue_Tires]

78. old news...

No one was paying attention nine years ago??

[Posteritatis]

81. WTF is mendacious bullshit like that on the *History* Channel anyway? (nt)

[edhopper]

84. I saw Bigfoot once!

1951! It made a sound that I would not want to hear twice in my life.

[brooklynite]

89. Why are they wasting time on foolishness like this....

....when there's Noah's Ark to be reported on?