Patrick Fitzgerald Official Website Updated: January 30th Materials

[CorpGovActivist]

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/

FYI...

Best to all,

- Dave

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. Thanks for the link! n/t

[CorpGovActivist]

50. You Bet!

I wonder what Fitzgerald is holding in reserve for when Cheney takes the stand?

*grin*

- Dave

[cynatnite]

2. Who wrote this?

[Uben]

3. I'm prety sure

it was Huckleberry Finn

[eShirl]

4. hmmm

makes me think of Bush's note asking Condi if he has to have a bathroom break.

[halobeam]

15. We DEFINETELY need a handwriting comparison....

on that note and this....

know anyone who has a snap shot of that note?

[Scout1071]

24. Immediately my first thought.

[halobeam]

5. good question!

I went back to firedoglake. I remembered Addington: part four.... he was being asked about the bottom half of that page, re: Cheney noting.. "has to happen today, etc..."

What I saw, I read as that "J" stated that Libby wrote the top part... which really doesn't make sense... what am I missing?

SNIP-----
Fitz notes that they're going to introduce the original later.

Addington reading the note on the screen.

Fitz is putting up the original.

W You recall reviewing this in evidence.

A I produced it to the govt.

W You personally reviewed it. It's your recollection that you may have had conversations about the document.

A I showed it to him, may have talked about it.

W You called Terry O'Donnell, counsel to VP. You told him you thought this was a very important document.

W Top half of document in Libby's handwriting.

A The word classified there looks like his handwriting.

W Bottom half in Cheney's handwriting. Writes;

Has to happen today. Call out to key press saying same thing about Scooter as Karl. Not going to protect one staffer and sacrifice the guy.

END SNIP----

http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/30/libby-live-david-addington-three/#more-6915

[CorpGovActivist]

7. Helps Having the A/V Materials, Huh?

I really commend Fitzgerald's staff for making these so readily available.

- Dave

[fooj]

8. You rock...thanks for bringing this to our attention.

:thumbsup:

[halobeam]

16. it does help, but I want to know now. It's driving me crazy.....

[CorpGovActivist]

20. Poor Fitzgerald; The Whole Nation Is Kicking the Driver's Seat, Screaming...

..."ARE WE THERE YET?!?"

:rofl:

- Dave

[hootinholler]

39. And the trip doesn't really start until we drop off Libby n/t

[Sydnie]

21. Could it have been Cathy Martin?

Wasn't she handling the Scooter protection from the OVP? The ink Color and note taking style) looks similar to that used in the docs that were posted yesterday that she wrote. :shrug:

[Tin Man]

25. I don't think so. This note I can read. Martin's note I couldn't decipher to save my life.

[Spazito]

35. Isn't it interesting that the top half, written by Libby, according

to Wells, is written in third person, rather odd, imo.

Edited to add the blog testimony re this:


W Top half of document in Libby's handwriting.

A The word classified there looks like his handwriting.

[Tin Man]

44. Something doesn't add up. The other handwritten doc, posted at Fitz website, is ID'd as Libby's

but the handwriting is entirely different. Of course, I'm assuming that when the DOJ uses a hyperlink titled "Libby notes June 12, 2003" that leads to a pdf image of a handwritten notes - that this means the notes were penned by Libby on June 12, 2003. See DOJ webpage linked in OP.

The writing in question here, with diffenent penmanship, and written in 3rd person - can't possibly be Libby's - unless his has multiple personalities.

Edit: My bad. I'm an idiot. The DOJ website also identifies (via the hyperlink title) the note in question as "Libby/Cheney notes". The diffence in handwriting style (1st vs. 2nd notes) I mentioned above must have been due to Libby's haste to record the discussions (looks like it was written during a mtg).

Now I feel silly.

[fooj]

6. Under the line in a different ink color...

Wasn't that a note from Dick? That's what I thought. I don't know who wrote the above...they can't spell ridiculous. Makes me think it's Little Lord Pissypants...lol

[cynatnite]

9. Kind of what I was wondering...the misspelled word got me wondering n/t

[fooj]

12. Well...

it isn't Dick because the writing isn't the same. Can't be Libby...

Could very well be the treasonous, rat bastard himself. IMO, that's who Fitz is going after...he's just building his case. We'll see.

[fooj]

14. Judy Miller on her note taking techniques...

Asked by Patrick Fitzgerald what she does if an interviewee changes topics, Miller replied: "I draw a line."

Hmmmmm...

[tinfoilinfor2005]

10. Probably our distinguished pResident,

given most of the words are misspelled.

[yodermon]

22. hmmm Bush Handwriting comparison sample.

on edit: another

[sabra]

36. Isn't it what Libby wrote for Scotty to "say" at the Press Gaggle?

[Spazito]

40. That makes sense, given the testimony today that...

the top half was in Libby's handwriting yet is written in third-person.

[Tin Man]

45. Thanks guys - that's exactly what it is. Libby's handwritten instructions for Ari

Bottom half is Cheney's orders for Libby ("must happen today")

Top half is Libby's orders for how Ari should address the press corps (thus Libby's use of the third person when referring to himself)

[Spazito]

49. It IS interesting that, in Ari's testimony, there was no discussion

whether Ari had asked Libby whether he was involved in the outing yet Libby wrote instructions to Ari consisting of:

"I've talked to Libby.

I said it was rediculous (sic) about Karl and it is rediculous (sic) about Libby.

Libby was not the source of the Novak story.

And he did not leak classified information."


It would be interesting to find what Ari actually said to the White House Press re Libby after this note, how close Ari was to quoting what Libby had written in this note.

[CorpGovActivist]

11. "The Vice President Has Seen" Stamp...

... could make for a neat bumper sticker regarding personal privacy.

Take someone's phone records, and stamp them, "The Vice President Has Seen".

Ditto for credit reports, medical records, etc.

; )

- Dave

[fooj]

13. Let's get this on GREATEST so DUers can "do their thing"...

:kick:

[halobeam]

17. working on the rec's ..... 2 more to go!

[BeHereNow]

18. Recommended! Americans need to know the TRUTH!

The TRUTH about these treasonous rat bastards.
Thanks for all you do DAVE!!!!!!!!
BHN:toast: :bounce: :thumbsup: :hi: :loveya:

[CorpGovActivist]

19. Gov Docs Research...

... if a degree in Government from Harvard isn't good for anything else, it's good for Gov Docs research.

:rofl:

; )

You're welcome; my pleasure.

- Dave

[Laurab]

23. K & R - there's got to be a * handwriting sample somewhere

It's probably not Judy Miller, the line drawn is in a different color ink - the same color used to label the memo on the left. I can't imagine who, at that level, would be unable to spell ridiculous except for our king.

[cynatnite]

26. Here is the entire note...

[Tin Man]

27. Bottom half definitely Darth Cheney's work - nt

[Tin Man]

28. curious that Darth writes "Tenet Wilson memo" in the margin at right

We all know Cheney was the man behind the curtain of PlameGate. Made it all happen. But from where did Cheney learn of Plame's identity? Obviously, somebody at CIA told him. Had to be Tenet, right?

Cheney's handwriting in margin - "Tenet Wilson memo"

Hmmm, does this confirm that it was Tenet who originally ratted-out Wilson (and/or Plame), in memo form ???

[Laurab]

30. I was thinking the margin note was to label the top memo

could it be Tenet's writing on the top part?

[Tin Man]

31. I'm thinking top half is Press Secretary's. The "theme" of both halves seems to be about

...both halves seem to focus upon WH response to press questions regarding the source of the Plame leak (Rove v. Libby).

[Laurab]

37. You might be right, at that

makes sense to me, anyway. I just can't get over someone that high up not being able to spell "ridiculous". But then, I remember, the only real qualification for jobs in this administration is loyalty.

[Tin Man]

48. sabra correctly points out in #36, top half is DIRECTIONS for Ari written by Libby

props to sabra

[Tatiana]

42. My guess is top half Libby, bottom half Cheney. n/t

[Spazito]

43. The crossed out two words in the bottom half, written by

Cheney, are interesting, imo. Are they "this Pres."? Was Cheney about to write, " Not going to protect one staffer + sacrifice this guy (this Pres.) asked to stick his neck in the meat grinder because of the incompetence of others."

The word "this" isn't in question in my mind because it is written exactly as it was in "this guy", it is the second word that is harder to descern but, when you magnify the PDF, it sure looks like Pres. to me.

Edited to add: This comes from the blog testimony from Addington:

snip

W Bottom half in Cheney's handwriting. Writes;

Has to happen today. Call out to key press saying same thing about Scooter as Karl. Not going to protect one staffer and sacrifice the guy.

W Can you make out what's crossed out?

A I can't tell.

Walton reminds people to talk to each other, maintain proper decorum.

A Now that it's been expanded I can read it. Pres is scratched through. I read that as two words This Pres.

W This Pres was crossed out by VP and note goes on to read.


that was asked to stick his neck in the meat grinder because of the incompetence of others.



End of snip

[Tin Man]

46. I agee - it really looks like "this Pres"

but it doesn't make alot of sense in the context, and the physical arrangement, of the remainder of the sentence.

It might also be the 2nd word was incomplete at the time Cheney crossed out. Dunno, but very intriguing...

[Spazito]

47. Sorry, Tin Man, I didn't see this post before I edited my post

to include the blog testimony from Addington which is where I first became intrigued. If it is, indeed, "this Pres." it certainly leads me to think that the "Pres" was ACTIVELY involved in the Plame outing as evidenced by the note with the cross-out.

[Tin Man]

51. Hey, check this out. I had an epiphany...

Still bugging me. Chronologically, Cheney wrote

"this guy this Pres"

then went back and crossed out "this Pres"

Hey, I got an idea. Notice "that was asked to stick his head in the meatgrinder" is a passive voice construction. OK... *Who* asked? "this Pres" perhaps?

Did Cheney originally intend to write something like
"Not going to protect one staffer + sacrifice this guy this Pres. asked to stick his head in the meatgrinder" - using an active voice that identifies Bush as the source of the request for folks to stick heads into meatgrinders?

Did Cheney suddenly have second thoughts about explicitly naming the Pres as the source of the request, and change the construction of the sentence to passive voice to avoid the issue?

[Spazito]

52. That was where my thoughts went as well...

When you take the crossed-out "this Pres." within the context of what Cheney wanted to say in protection of Libby, I have little doubt that Cheney realised mid-phrase that identifying the "Pres" as an active participant was not wise, crossed it out and then continued on to complete the sentence in the passive so as not to identify who "asked (this guy) to stick his head in the meatgrinder.

Interesting, no?

[Tin Man]

53. So, we have evidence "the Pres" *was* involved.

...Cheney's note isn't "smoking gun quality" type evidence of W's involvement, but it's *awfully* close.

[Spazito]

54. I think it is one more "brick" in the case for sure

Whether it, legally, will ever reach that far wrt bush I am, to be frank, doubtful but I still have hopes, having followed Fitzgerald's pursuit of justice in Illinois and how he went about building his case, Cheney may well face justice, whether it be through Congress or through the courts.

[Tin Man]

55. Would you like to start another thread on this? I promise to K&R it !

I haven't seen this discussed elsewhere. I think it's pretty newsworthy and merits its own thread.

[Spazito]

56. It might be better to try and start a thread on this tomorrow

morning rather than doing it this late at night. I can start one tomorrow morning with a header like "Did Cheney Out Bush's involvement in the Plame Outing? What do you think? I have NO problem, btw, if you start a thread on this instead of me, I have no ownership on this, I have merely added commentary on other people's posts.

[Tin Man]

57. Your proposed title is excellent.

Tomorrow morning is good for me too - the sandman is chasing me...

[Tin Man]

29. Interesting that in first pdf, dated 6/12, Libby writes "CP - his wife works in that div."

Counter Proliferation. Libby knows that Plame is CP on June 12 - 4 weeks before Wilson's July 8 NYT Op-Ed.

Obviously the OVP was keeping tabs on Wilson BEFORE he went public with the his challenge to the 16 words. Very Interesting...

[Lugnut]

32. K&R

:kick: Thanks Dave. :)

[Supersedeas]

33. The Libby notes had been marked Top Secret....what!?!

[Sydnie]

38. Their used toilet paper is marked Top Secret

No paper trail will completely be revealed until they are all dead.

[Tin Man]

41. Odd ain't it? And it's driving me nuts trying to make sense of Libby's notes...

6/12/03 (?)(?) re "Uranium & A" Kristol NYT article
Took place at our behest - functional office
definitely took place here
& (?) mtg in region
CP - his wife works in that div.

4) OVP Defense & State - expressed strong interest in (?)
1) didn't (?) (?) mission
2) didn't get report back
3) didn't (?) (?) indication of (?)(?)(?) for IAEA


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Certain keywords/phrases jump out at me:

Kristol
NYT article
CP - his wife works for that div.
OVP Defense & State - expressed strong interest in (?)
IAEA

Can anyone make sense of all this? Appears to me these notes were written very hastily - perhaps during a mtg (w/ Cheney?)

[Laurier]

34. That's great, Dave.

Thank you for the link!

[CorpGovActivist]

58. Sure!

I wonder what Fitzgerald plans to confront Cheney with?

- Dave

[orleans]

59. "this Pres." !! bush is so busted. kicked & recommended (link)

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/exhibits/0130/GX53201.PDF