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Dover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 08:37 AM Original message |
"Once in a generation" solar storms... and living without electricity. |
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daggahead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 08:40 AM Response to Original message |
1. There seems to be a correlation between X flares and earthquakes. n/t |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 08:52 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. According to whom?...nt |
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montanto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 09:18 AM Response to Reply #1 |
14. and yet correlation is still not causation. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 10:12 AM Response to Reply #14 |
25. and yet correlation can still be significant regardless of causation. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
2. Yes Solar panels can be damaged by solar storms. |
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Dover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 08:55 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Thanks for that info. What is the danger for panels NOT connected to the grid? |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 09:05 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. PV systems still have wiring. |
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Dover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 10:07 AM Response to Reply #12 |
24. thanks for the explanation! n/t |
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conscious evolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 11:06 AM Response to Reply #12 |
31. In line surge suppressors will also help |
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FSogol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
3. Why hasn't the WH fixed the Sun yet? |
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RedCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 08:55 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. They are waiting for the free market to take care of it! |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 09:35 PM Response to Reply #7 |
51. LOL... |
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Rebubula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 08:57 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Good Question |
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FSogol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 09:04 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. We should send some experts to the sun to take a look. I propose chief-know-it-all: James Carville |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 10:07 AM Response to Reply #11 |
23. As long as they go at night |
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FSogol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 10:20 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Right, Palin would be another good expert to send. She can see the sun from her house. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #28 |
45. *snort* |
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Jawja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 07:11 AM Response to Reply #9 |
65. Yes, of course, |
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branders seine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 08:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
48. According to a White House statement, |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 06:46 AM Response to Reply #3 |
63. Obama had better create a "bullhorn moment," dammit. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
5. We were without electricity yesterday from 10:41 am to 2:47 pm |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 08:56 AM Response to Original message |
8. The first thing I think of are people and their medical supplies, |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 09:00 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. More importantly ..... water. |
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conscious evolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 11:07 AM Response to Reply #8 |
32. Frankly,they are fucked |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
13. A replay of the 1859 Carrington Event on the sun would destroy... |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 09:40 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Would destroy SOME electronics. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 09:46 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Except how many electronics will be disconnected in time? |
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FSogol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 10:18 AM Response to Reply #17 |
27. Plus, we can continue talking on DU via Morse Code: |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #17 |
34. One word: Satellites. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 12:16 PM Response to Reply #17 |
38. The problem with transformers... |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 07:35 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. And the manufacturer will have likely also lost electricity and can't make any transformers. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
15. Here is a device I recommend everyone invest in. |
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Dover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
16. Intense Solar Storm Spins Satellite Out of Control |
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SheilaT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
19. Why does this feel totally alarmist to me? |
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Dover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 09:58 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Nasa and scientists are sounding the alarm. This one is supposed to be 30-50% stronger |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 10:02 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. The sun operates on (poorly understood) cycles. |
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SheilaT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 11:47 AM Response to Reply #21 |
33. A couple of years before Katrina |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 12:06 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. So there were warnings before Katrina which were ignored leading to massive damage |
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Dover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. Well, the truth is |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 12:09 PM Response to Reply #19 |
37. Its not alarmist.. Here is an archive of the most severe solar storms |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 12:30 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Yup and the one in 1859 was roughly 3x the severity. |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. With a relatively mild sunspot cycle 22 I was able to communicate anywhere in the world from my car |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 12:26 PM Response to Reply #19 |
39. The problem is that two cycles are overlapping. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 06:43 AM Response to Reply #19 |
62. Because it is. n/t |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
22. Time to go back to land line phones? |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 10:23 AM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Phone network will be destroyed by the same GIC. |
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End Of The Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
26. Texas in the summer with no electricity?? NO WAY!! |
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Dover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 10:28 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Way! You can always drive down to the Gulf to cool off....oh wait... |
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qb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
35. And then the neutrinos transform into microwaves and cook the earth's core just in time for... |
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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
40. Better print out these suggestions. You won't be able to get back here if the power is out. |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
42. Scary. |
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Delphinus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 06:40 AM Response to Reply #42 |
60. I was just |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
47. Good question. |
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Dover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 02:11 AM Response to Reply #47 |
56. Yes, as someone mentioned above, I think water and heat would be a priority. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 08:51 AM Response to Reply #56 |
66. I have a wood cook stove. |
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Phoonzang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
49. If a massive solar flare destroys all of our electronics the majority of us will die |
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Old Troop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
50. Is this the next Y2K or H1N1? |
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Dover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 12:01 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Maybe.....maybe not. Solar flares aren't the only potential cause of elec. grid collapse. |
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AnnieBW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
52. I'd go through Rachel Maddow withdrawal |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
53. As a general science geek.. |
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Dover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-10 11:55 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. I'm very curious to know your thoughts on a solar flare's potential effects |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 06:13 AM Response to Reply #54 |
59. I have not done particular research on this.... |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #59 |
68. The danger to solar cells doesn't come from radiation. |
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AsahinaKimi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 03:47 AM Response to Original message |
57. Lived 3 days without Electricty during the 1989 SF Earthquake |
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AsahinaKimi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 03:48 AM Response to Original message |
58. dupe |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 06:42 AM Response to Original message |
61. Wouldn't want to be in an electronics-dependent airplane just then. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 12:36 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. That's really not much of a danger. We'll have plenty of warning before it hits. |
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kgnu_fan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-10 06:56 AM Response to Original message |
64. Thinking about people of Iraq - who lost electricity and water by US invasion |
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