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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 10:56 AM Original message |
Poll question: Are politicians the team leaders or the only team players |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
1. We live in a representative democratic republic. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 11:14 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. "We tell them what we want, and they fetch it." |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #3 |
12. That is the theory under which it is supposed to work. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 11:54 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. I feel differently |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. Then I will offer a herd analogy as to the way politics seems to work in practice |
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Larry Ogg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
56. It is true that humans have natural alpha leaders, |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #56 |
65. The word psychopath has a real meaning |
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Larry Ogg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 06:31 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Politicizing the science of character disorders |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
28. We tell them what we want, and they fetch it. Priceless. |
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griffi94 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
2. I voted other |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 11:19 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Have you seen a nation or political system that works better? |
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griffi94 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 11:29 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. I dont really keep up with world politics that much. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 11:43 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. My feeling on the matter is that humans are and always will be flawed |
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griffi94 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 11:51 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Well flawed is to be expected |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 01:02 PM Response to Reply #13 |
45. At some point I took a comparative politics class |
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griffi94 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. I don't think ours has to be broken' |
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Larry Ogg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #45 |
61. As the conscience people of the world learn |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
4. 'Fan base.' Wow. Just wow. nt |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 11:52 AM Response to Reply #4 |
14. Didn't comment about it, but "Fan Base" is an incredibly apt description. n/t |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 12:25 PM Response to Reply #4 |
26. Intelligent! |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
6. It isn't about 'teams' at all. Politics is not a team sport. |
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griffi94 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 11:39 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. While I agree with you |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 11:41 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. So you are pretty much in the camp that believes that politicians are on their own |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 11:55 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. What exactly are you doing? |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 11:59 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. I work to dispel the myths and false talking points put out by the right |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 12:07 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Much the same. |
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griffi94 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. I'm not trying to be disagreeable |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. My team right or wrong will result in moves to the right. It is up to us |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. The net effect of having both Republicans and Democrats attacking Democrats, will, of course, be |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Sad but true |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. The net result of supporting conservatism in the Democratic Party is |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. We cured the disease but killed the patient |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Enjoy the new batch of Republicans |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 12:59 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Of cooooooourse Speaker Boner is a horrid prospect. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 01:02 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. So crapping all over Democrats and thus it's reported that "Liberals are in revolt" |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Elections are about choosing the agent that will best represent you. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. I disagree, the blame is evenly spread around the leadership and those in the coalition |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. No one owes their vote to anyone. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Your blind support framing is inaccurate and leads to erroneous conclusions |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. I stopped reading when you blame bush on liberals. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. In my view, NJMaverick asking for intellectual honesty |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Very well stated |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 12:59 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. That's always a point to remember. A conservative Democrat |
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griffi94 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #22 |
32. Again I'm with you in theory |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 12:18 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. As a matter of fact I do, the truth is more critical |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Many of us do that as well |
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griffi94 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 12:01 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. I agree that political speeches tend to be about teams |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Point of fact the Iraq war is winding down |
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griffi94 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 12:40 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. That's great |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
16. Unfortunately the game is fixed and the "team" leaders have thrown the game. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 12:49 PM Response to Reply #16 |
39. +1000! |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
31. Politicians are fucking crooks and liars. There is only one team, theirs. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. I disagree, there are many politicians who are not "fucking crooks and liars" |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 12:48 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. True, there are a FEW good ones. Far to few. |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 02:44 PM Response to Reply #38 |
63. Waxman lost some serious points recently |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 11:35 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. Yeah, I didn't want to even admit to that. Since you brought it up |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
34. I believe that you have understated the question. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. You raise some excellent points and issues |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
47. One more problem with the game analogy... |
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jp11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
52. Other. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. The fundraising by our current President had the majority of the money |
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jp11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. I said 'most' not all, anything further I don't feel I can answer on this board. |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #54 |
64. Well he seems to forget that. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. From what I have seen, the President has been putting the interests of the people first |
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tiny elvis (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
59. are we watching the black sox or the globetrotters? |
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Dr Morbius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
60. Other: it's not a game. It's government. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 02:30 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. It;s an analogy not a literal statement |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
68. How do *you* see it, Senator? |
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