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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 09:53 PM Original message |
We're in a deep depression and help isn't coming. Unemployment rate is the same as it was in 1934 |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 10:03 PM Response to Original message |
1. KR, and I ***LOVE*** Ted Rall. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 08:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
57. You'll have to fight me for him! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
2. Keep in mind that while capitalists are fleeing America to "harvest slave labor" around . . . |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 10:21 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. We can boycott what the elites sell us, to the maximum extent possible |
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pscot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 11:00 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. It has to start with a boycott of the politiciians |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 11:07 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Well, by "boycott," you mean voting for opponents, or not voting at all? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 12:56 AM Response to Reply #15 |
25. True . . . we are governed by hierarchies of power -- some of it invisible . . . |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 12:53 AM Response to Reply #5 |
24. We can be creative . . . |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 08:52 PM Response to Reply #5 |
67. Yes, and buying from employee owned companies. |
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pleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
3. K&R |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
4. Also agree that the nation is in a depression . . . purposefully put there by right wing -- |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 10:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. We have had positive GDP growth since the 3rd quarter |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 10:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. And if you have a growing GDP with mass unemployment, foreclosures, wage and benefit cuts, etc., |
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Hawkowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 10:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Recovery for the OWNERS |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 10:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Just like we did in the 2000's a jobless recovery. That really isn't |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 11:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
19. Sorry . . . but Obama himself called this a "Depression" about a month or so ago ... |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 11:16 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. I heard from my parents what it was like in the Great Depression |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 11:47 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Be patient. This country is headed toward a "Great Depression". |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 12:59 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. I think most of the public sees that if Obama doesn't get busy . . . |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 07:46 PM Response to Reply #20 |
52. Psssst.... |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 09:04 PM Response to Reply #20 |
71. This is not like that depression because there are still vestiges |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 08:37 PM Response to Reply #19 |
61. Did anybody get a screen capture? |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 01:37 AM Response to Reply #6 |
27. Great -- go down to your local labor board and tell that to people in line for benefits |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 09:11 AM Response to Reply #6 |
30. That only serves to highlight the flaws in how GDP is calculated. nt |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #30 |
46. unemployment is irrelevant to gdp. it's not a flaw. |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. Explain? I did not say that. I said the way GDP was calculated was flawed |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 08:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
59. High unemployment keeps the military filled with strong young men and women |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
7. Obama needs to make it easier to start your own business. |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 10:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. I remember a few months ago when Pelosi was talking about small business tax credits or something... |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 10:53 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. It's not the taxes that stop people. It's the minefield of regulations that you have no clue about. |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 10:59 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. The last three posts echo Boner, McConnell and Faux |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 11:16 AM Response to Reply #14 |
41. I'd be in favor of eliminating Bush tax cuts on individuals... |
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postulater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 11:09 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. I just was penalized $600 for a five day lapse in my work comp policy for my one employee. |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 11:17 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Pay your bills on time. So you want to get the government out |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 11:14 AM Response to Reply #21 |
40. Ideology wins again! |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 10:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. We could get into the apple selling business and make peanuts! |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 11:07 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. You do what you can. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 08:19 AM Response to Reply #17 |
29. Your brother is one of the luckier ones. Good for him. |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 01:39 AM Response to Reply #13 |
28. have you SEEN the price of apples these days? n/t |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 10:18 AM Response to Reply #13 |
33. Just make sure that you don't let your product designers overrule your engineers |
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Knight Hawk (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 08:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
65. Depression? |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
22. Increasing exports is not the answer. The solution is reducing imports. |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 08:35 PM Response to Reply #22 |
60. they also don't understand that a major cost in food "production" is |
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Knight Hawk (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 08:52 PM Response to Reply #22 |
68. The Answer |
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mikekohr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 09:21 AM Response to Original message |
31. It Took FDR 7 years to End "The Great Depression," Obama Ended "The Great Recession" in 18 Months |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 09:57 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. The recession is over, the recession is over! Happy days are here again! |
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mikekohr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-10 08:31 AM Response to Reply #32 |
85. Love that song |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 10:39 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. "Employment" may be growing, |
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mikekohr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-10 08:28 AM Response to Reply #35 |
84. Employment IS Growing |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #31 |
45. wrong. fdr elected 1932. gdp growth resumed the next year. |
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mikekohr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-10 08:16 AM Response to Reply #45 |
83. Most Economists State "The Great Depression" lasted until 1939 |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
34. What's the difference between 1934 and now? |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 11:23 AM Response to Reply #34 |
42. The big difference.... |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
36. No way. |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
37. Thank you for the post. |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
38. And yet more confirmation of what I (and others) have been saying here and |
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dem mba (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
39. ok, now this is actually socialism |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Yeah, as events in the Gulf have shown.... |
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dem mba (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 02:44 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. environmental regulation and state control over the means of production |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Why should there be a difference? |
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StreetKnowledge (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-10 12:16 AM Response to Reply #50 |
80. Because any nation that tries to control all of its economy from the top invariably fails at it. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 08:40 PM Response to Reply #44 |
64. No countries have had worst environmental records than the USSR and China under communism. |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 09:57 PM Response to Reply #64 |
76. LOL... as always never you never disappoint |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 10:20 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Yes, I always bring the facts and logic, don't I? |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 10:29 PM Response to Reply #64 |
78. When did they achieve "communism" and when did that system end in the USSR and China? |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-10 10:31 PM Response to Reply #78 |
90. You're right that real communism as theorized has yet to have a living example |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-10 10:03 AM Response to Reply #90 |
91. These "communist" officials didn't have any problem giving up power to capitalists! |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-10 10:30 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. And so....? |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Would you like to get back on topic? |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-10 01:34 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. It's true that China and Russia are no longer communist. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-10 07:50 AM Response to Reply #64 |
82. Dunno about that |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-10 05:53 PM Response to Reply #82 |
89. Chernobyl |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 08:39 PM Response to Reply #39 |
63. Yes, it's authoritarian state socialism. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-10 08:48 AM Response to Reply #63 |
86. So the current economic system is anti-authoritarian and democratic? |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-10 05:49 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. The failure of the current system |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
43. it's gonna take a long time to recover from 8 years of bu$hit |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
47. What are we going to |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
48. A depression is defined as a reduction in GDP not an increase |
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gauguin57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
53. I don't care how you figure it ... unemployment now is about 9.5 percent. In 1934, it was 21.7 % |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 08:16 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. How was the unemployment rate calculated in 1934? |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-10 04:22 AM Response to Reply #53 |
81. Technically speaking, if we look at U-6 unemployment, it shows a stunning 17%. |
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EmeraldCityGrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
55. Folks, start building your Transitional Communities NOW! |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 08:50 PM Response to Reply #55 |
66. aha! there is a group mulling it over |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
56. "Depression" is a technical term. Spinners will tell you we're not in one. But if it FEELS like one |
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LaPera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
58. We desperately need unemployment insurance extensions - Fucking republicans! |
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thereismore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
62. Ted Rall is not an economist and he has been a disappointment to me in the past. nt |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
69. K&R n/t |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
70. Obama needs to start a Works Progress Administration. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 09:43 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. Here's some of FDR's bold actions taken within a year of becoming President |
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Curtis (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
72. I agree |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 09:16 PM Response to Original message |
73. K & R |
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SILVER__FOX52 (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
74. PRECISELY CORRECT. |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
79. Unemployment was much worse during the GD.. in fact there is no comparison.. |
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mikekohr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-10 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
87. Unemployment was 21.7% in 1934, It is now 9.5% |
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