"Evil will always win over Good, because Good is dumb" - Spaceballs, The Movie

[PCIntern]

Pisses me off no end...

A critical election is coming, so all of a sudden, ethics charges are flying all over the place and we don't have one single shred on these high-ranking Republicans? Are you fucking kidding me?

We squandered these two years from a public-relations standpoint: the Dems should have united and used a "Give 'em Hell" approach which would have worked...for crying out loud, it certainly worked before and that election in 1948 was HOPELESS. Dewey had already been crowned the winner. But noooooo...why would we want to go after the lies and hypocrisy FULL BORE? It just wouldn't be 'the stand-up thing to do...after all, we CRUSHED them PERMANENTLY in 2008...Yeah...well I heard the same thing in 1964. Two years and four years later...BAM!

When is it going to occur to these Democratic Party leaders that the movement from the other side has metamorphosed from 'loyal opposition' to 'malignant tumor'? You have to assume that these far right 'folks' - who are not too 'folksy' - are like the Anopheles mosquito and ERADICATE them politically, allowing the Rockefeller/Javits/Crist types to re-emerge as a true opponent, rather than having to deal with Goebbels and Goering on a daily basis.

We as a Party should have been out there SCREAMING from day one that this obstructionist, do-nothing opposition was trying to destroy the very fabric of America's move into the 21st Century, and all those years of pure Republican "Leadership" destroyed the hopes and dreams of millions of Americans and ruined our foreign policy, made us less safe, and damaged the economy to the point where we were on the brink of failure and disgrace.

But noooo...what they did was go out there and say "We're looking to the Future." Well, damn it, the Future is going to be filled with right-wing movers and shakers once again if they don't get off their asses and hit HARD...starting today...not after Labor Day, TODAY.

I'm waiting and have a strange feeling that I'll continue to wait...right thru Election Day.

[geckosfeet]

1. may the schwartz be with you

[Fumesucker]

2. You imagine that the two parties are diametrically opposed to one another..

In reality the politicians on both sides of the aisle have far more in common with those on the other side of the aisle than they do with the common man out on the street, much of what we see them do is a giant and ponderous Kabuki theater put on for the benefit of the electorate in order to further the illusion of conflict between the members of the political class.

[PCIntern]

4. Yes but...

the problem is, that the actors on the other side of the aisle are going to destroy their counterparts if they get a chance. It's like playing war games where one side has paintballs and the other side has 50 caliber machine guns. To them it's not theater, it's crushing death and destruction...make no mistake...they would outlaw elections if they could, since removal of their particular political species is 'traitorous' and 'seditious'. Only thoughtful Dems see it as 'theater'...the other side's playing for keeps.

[Fumesucker]

6. I think both sides need the other..

You can get away with far more when you have an enemy to oppose, even if the enemy is largely made up from whole cloth.

The other explanation is that the national level Democratic politicians are universally dumber than a bag of drowned mice, I don't think people get to that level in politics by being utterly naive.

[PCIntern]

7. I'm not sure about that...

I know someone here who's very influential in our Party, who is intuitively dumber than a box fo rocks.

Soemtme, I'll tell that story, but not while he's alive...

[Statistical]

22. No they won't.

Republicans in Congress need Democrats in Congress as much as the reverse.

Both sides are playing for keep and both sides use political theater.

Imagine a scale 0 to 100. 0 being completely corporate interests and 100 being complete interest of the people.

The republicans are a 4.8
and the Democrats are a 5.2

When you zoom in on the scale and only show the range of 4 to 6 it looks like 5 is the middle and you had this fierce battle back and both between parties.
Then you zoom out and see both parties are ~95% (maybe the Democrats are slightly less) for the corporations.

Both sides are playing for keep = securing and maintaining interests of the rich/power/corporations
Both sides are playing for political theater = dividing the people, scoring points, and making themselves look different.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

3. Democrats have been too nice to the Republicans

a stake should have been put throught the heart of the GOP on day 1 after the elections. The Republicans around here are highly energized they have enormous billboards, signs, people going door to door. They are everywhere and have a lot of money!

[tularetom]

5. Great post. Bad movie reference.

Every point you make is something I have thought for months. I couldn't agree more.

But why did you have to bring up the worst. movie. ever.

John Candy as a wookie?

[PCIntern]

8. Really?

I would agree in some respects, but there were moments...the teleportation sequence was pretty funny: "Why didn't anyone tell me my ass was this big?"

A couple others...the bush/quayle bumpersticker on the very long spaceship in the beginning...

but you're right...pretty bad...

[tularetom]

14. I sure as hell couldn't have done any better

but ya know, I expected more from Mel Brooks.

I think that's most of my disappointment with this movie.

[PCIntern]

15. I know what you mean..

It sure wasn't Blazing Saddles, the first half of which was one of the funniest movies I'd ever seen. Did you ever see The Groove Tube back in the early 70's?

[tularetom]

16. Who could forget the Uranus Corporation?

[PCIntern]

17. "where things come out a little differently..."

The opening sequence, for its day, was remarkable...the hitchiker !

Adn the VD lecture...with the inverted body parts...

[tularetom]

18. Aw shit, I had a lot of stuff I needed to get done today

Now I'm gonna waste the whole day trying to find the groove tube somewhere online.

It had really slipped my mind how funny that was.

Or were we all just humor deprived after all the bullshit of the late 60's?

Hopefully I'll find out.

[PCIntern]

19. Portions of it are on Youtube...

including the opening sequence!!!

[PCIntern]

20. Problem is...

I saw it a couple of years ago...it WAS funny in context, but TeeVee is wholly different how, and almost all the references are obscured by time...young kids have no patience with it...someone told me that a prof tried to have her students watch it, and they were very disappointed. too bad, it'll be consigned to the dustbin in a few years...

[hobbit709]

9. Bad yes, but it didn't take itself seriously.

Plenty of bad movies had pretensions of being a serious film.

[necso]

10. Good isn't dumb; but it can gravitate to the overidealistic. /nt

[Dogmudgeon]

11. The irony about Tom Dewey

He was actually pretty liberal.

Similar story to Hoover -- progress-minded, and fought for the little guy more than not. He certainly had feet of clay by classic Democratic standards, but by today's standards, Tom was a pretty good deal.

The Republican Party would have already expelled ThomasDewey2010 for being a "RINO".

--d!

[hobbit709]

12. The GOP of today would have expelled Barry Goldwater.

[txlibdem]

13. Obstructionists

With overwhelming majorities in the House and Senate, there should have been NO talk about obstructionists. I get so pissed off every time I see a Dem on TV whining that they want to do this or that "but the Republicans won't let us." Who in hell elected a Republican majority? If any one thing can be pointed to to say "this is what cost the Democrats their majority" this is it. Fking limp noodle doormats cowering in the corner instead of getting right up in the faces of the Thugs and their lies. You'd think that they emptied their brains on January 20, 2009, that they had no memory of what the Thugs did over the past 10 years!

When the 'Thugs had the majority they didn't wait for Dems to agree with their fking insane legislation. They rammed shit through.

This is what I expected the Dems to do and I've been waiting and waiting, getting more and more frustrated by the day. They must have realized that the Republicons tried to destroy the country. They had almost a decade to watch them do it. So why did they come in like scolded puppies with their goddamn tails between their legs!

I can't say how many letters I've sent to Obama telling him to get the fire in his eyes. He's now showing tentative signs that he finally got it. Now we need each and every member of congress to grow a spine and get their acts together.

[treestar]

21. Not sure I agree, because the overall party personality is different

We're trying to govern; they want power for its own sake.

We are tolerant and mistakes and foibles of individuals; they go after any perceived error even if they are guilty of it themselves.

It's because they are horrible and evil people. You're advocating becoming like them because evil wins? I doubt that.

[PCIntern]

23. Sorry, but Gandhi-like behavior isn't gong to work

here...

The only thing they understand is 'brute force'. We win the occasional battle, but are ever-increasingly losing the war. IMO, of course.

[treestar]

24. I wouldn't say they are Gandhi like

But they are trying to govern, while the Rs have nothing to do but play games. their abuse of the filibuster - Ds ought to campaign on that and show that chart where it was hardly used before and is now always used.

I don't think we are losing the war on that. Right after 911 they used that and brute force appealed to the masses. Ordinarily, that makes Republicans look like they just want power for its own sake - and the way they used 911 showed that to be true.

[PCIntern]

25. We'll talk after Election Day...

I hope you're right...working hard for us and crossing my fingers, I remain sincerely yours,

PC

:hi:

[hfojvt]

26. I cannot really start today

First of all, it is the Sabbath, so there are not any events going on. Secondly, the primary is on Tuesday. What happens on that day sorta determines whether I get to keep swinging, or if I can sorta take the next three months off.

[bananas]

27. Maxwell Smart said something like, "Good always wins, because good is better than bad"

[PCIntern]

28. Great casting...

holds up medium-well with time....Barbara Feldon's still a knockout! Had the biggest crush on her...

[CoffeeCat]

29. I feel like we're traveling at ludicrious speed...

...toward some very dark times.

Are we stopped yet? Smoke em if ya got em!