AZ Sheriff Seeks Donations For Guns To Fight Drug Cartel

[kpete]

Sheriff Seeks Donations For Guns To Fight Drug Cartel

POSTED: 10:48 am MST August 2, 2010
UPDATED: 4:13 pm MST August 2, 2010

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Sheriff Paul Babeu said, “My deputies are outgunned and we are outmanned. We need help to raise money to buy Arizona made semi-automatic rifles to fight this threat against our citizens.”

The Pinal County Sheriff’s Office is asking you to donate what you can to help protect deputies, their families and communities. Donations can be made through the Pinal County Justice Foundation website www.pinalcountyfoundation.org or send check or money order payable to:

Pinal County Justice Foundation Inc, Attn: Rifles for Deputies 6832 South Kings Ranch Rd # 2-16 Gold Canyon, AZ 85118

Donations are tax-deductible. For questions, call 520-866-5133.

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[Whoa_Nelly]

1. This is batshit crazy

[Initech]

29. I wish I were a movie director. This would make for a kick-ass thriller.

[Bobbieo]

2. If he really wants to hit the cartels, he should go for the legalization and taxing of pot in AZ.

[Jackpine Radical]

4. That would not be good

for the symbiotic relationship between the cops & the cartels.

[Bobbieo]

7. You sure have hit a nerve - right there, JR. Money-money-money!!!!

[cherokeeprogressive]

3. Are you trying to help him?

I mean, you posted links and phone numbers along with the info that any donations are tax-deductible. I'm sitting here wondering how much you'd like for me to donate.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. Sadly I can see it

Having been there, done that... and I said a few years ago that the war would move north.

Well assuming the Sheriff is right... the solution, again having been there, done that... is legalization and regulation.

Yes, the cartels are known to use things like Cuervos de Chivo, aka AK-47s, AR-15s, Barrett 50s, and a few other toys. Sheriff should also consider dragon skin though... current issue body armor will not do a damn to even slow down these rounds. Yes, I took off my armor a few times, ok.

That said, this particular sheriff has a few issues. But if he is serious the war on drugs will not move North at a point in the future, but it is already here.

Oh and boys... duck, cover... trust me on that one.

[MajorChode]

12. The Sheriff is completely and utterly full of shit

If you think this sheriff (who along with his buddy dead-eye Joe has a long history of self-promoting stunts) has a leg to stand on, consider the CBP. All the CBP does is secure the border. They don't write parking tickets, they don't get cats out of trees, they don't harass kids fucking in back seats. Furthermore the manpower of the CBP outnumbers this sheriff's manpower by at least 100 to 1, and probably closer to 1000 to 1. So how many on-duty deaths has the CBP had in the last few years? You can count them on one hand, and that includes traffic accidents and heart attacks. The war ain't moving north. Not today, and probably not ever. There's simply no need for it. The cartels are moving product at will across the border even with legions of CBP officers trying to stop them. The CBP estimates that they are stopping less than 10%. The drug interdictions that do happen cost the cartels next to nothing. So why in the hell would they want to move the war to el norte when the very best they could ever hope for would be to move 5-10% more product? They can do that now by simply hiring more mules (which there is no shortage). Anyone who thinks we are 'winning' the drug war at the border is probably using too much of the product in question.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. It is going to move North, like it or not

that is part of the conflict, and the nature of the conflict. This sheriff might be full of it, but the war will move north. To think otherwise is to have head in soil, hiding from reality.

It is not that they want to fight the cops by the way... but I am sure you knew that.

[MajorChode]

20. You must have a very good crystal ball

If the "conflict" were going to move north, it would have already done so. As yet there is simply absolutely no basis to believe it has or it will. As I've already pointed out, it would be counterproductive and needless for them to do so. This isn't Miami in the 1980's, as much as the RW propaganda machine would like you to believe it is. Buying into that myth simply perpetuates their lies and misinformation.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. Well that crystal ball is based

on having been in the midst of it, which you have not.

Also knowing that the conflict is about corridors of distribution. That is what most of the conflict has been. You think that this will not move North sooner or later? I mean it is not like it didn't move from oh Colombia to Mexico for the same reason.

[MajorChode]

30. Here's where you run into trouble pretending to know things you can't possibly know

I have been in the midst of it, and still am. The company I work for does business with CBP and I make several trips to the border each year which include patrols right on the border itself sitting next to a CBP agent in the air, on the ground, and in the water. I've done so many of these I can describe every nook and cranny of the Rio Grande in and around places like Del Rio, El Paso, McAllen, Laredo, Brownsville, and most of the areas in between. I'm on a first name basis with more agents (including intelligence agents) and senior CBP management than I care to count, and I'm directly involved in the technology they and the military are deploying throughout the whole Texas coast.

You obviously don't have the least clue about the "corridors of distribution". If you did, you would know that there simply is no such thing along the border. The cartels have effectively a limitless stretch of land and sea in which to move their product. When law enforcement focuses on any one particular area, they simply move somewhere else. Anything remotely resembling "corridors of distribution" changes on a monthly basis, and sometimes on a weekly or daily basis. It moved from Columbia to Mexico because there was nothing stopping it from doing so and precisely because they would no longer have to worry about "corridors of distribution". That's why this phase of the so-called 'drug war' is like nothing like we have ever seen before. There simply is no comparison. Pretending differently is simply revealing your ignorance.

The hazard you run into going around assuming you are the only one with inside knowledge is occasionally you run into someone who has been in the "midst of it" and suddenly you find yourself exposed as nothing more than a braggart with very little to offer in the way of insight.

So much for your crystal ball, eh?

Cheers!

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. So you think I imagined the shootings

okie dokie...

Or for that matter the corridors? Yep, I am sure we all imagined them.

Whatever,

Cheers to you too...

It will move north, if not already moving north... like it or not. And the only solution, which I am sure you are against, bad for bidness after all, is LEGALIZATION... PERIOD!

[MajorChode]

32. Once again you pretend to know me and step on your dick

Any "shootings" imagined or otherwise are greatly exaggerated and intended for the consumption of the ignorant. Every CBP agent I know (which is quite a few) has zero worries about violence exporting across the border, and if they aren't worried about it, there sure as hell isn't any cause for the sheriff of some goat rope county to be worried about it. It's nothing more than a play to try and channel some of the millions of tax dollars that are flowing towards border security his way so he can increase his power base.

The business my company does with CBP represents a very small segment of our overall operation and I could care less if we lost all of it tomorrow. I've seen enough of the Rio Grande to last a lifetime and then some. Anyone who actually does know me, knows I'm all for legalization and I posted as much just yesterday and on numerous other occasions. On that we can agree.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8868500&mesg_id=8868611

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. Yep I definitely imagined the shootings

thank you very much for informing of those imaginary shootings.

Now I will be able to sleep much better, knowing the nightmares are based on my very fertile imagination and not, well very real events...

:sarcasm:

If you needed it.

Dick, you are the one stepping on it, and the way you are posting tells me more about you than I want to know.

[MajorChode]

34. Oh please

Now you're simply trying to play the victim after you've been exposed as a braggart pretending to know shit you don't.

I have no idea what "shootings" you are talking about, nor do I really give a day old dog shit. If you're talking about the various shootings along the border, then those sure as hell have been greatly exaggerated whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. If you are talking about something that happened to you personally, your information is nothing more than anecdotal, biased, and meaningless in the bigger scope of things, so please spare me. All you are doing is repeating the same garbage I've heard countless times from the RW, which tells me more about you than I really care to know.

This is my final reply on the matter. Feel free to continue the discussion on your own.

Have a nice day.

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. Exposed? Victim? What the fuck are you talking about?

Have a nice life... Jesus age, some people are idiots....

And yes, I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN A FEW IMAGINARY, according to you that is. VERY REAL SHOOTINGS... involving a few Cartels.

But that is ok. I guess that you being a private contractor know that others have not been there, done that, and ONLY YOUR FUCKING EXPERIENCE COUNTS?

There are a few others who do have a clue and KNOW WHAT THE FUCK THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT, CONTRARY TO YOUR OPINION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Some folks here are just amazing... just unfriging amazing.

[benEzra]

13. Dragon Skin...

is NIJ Level III rated and stops the same things that other NIJ III vests stop (small- and intermediate-caliber rifle rounds). The claimed advantage of Dragon Skin is that it's a little lighter than traditional hard armor for a given threat rating, and it's somewhat flexible (ordinary NIJ III or IV is rigid). Good stuff, but not hugely different.

Agree with you on legalization and regulation, and the sooner we do that, the more we mitigate the long-term consequences of our current course.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. I believe it can also stop some rifle rounds

not all.

I mean a Barrett 50 forget it. But it was supposed to be able to stop low speed AK rounds.

And I might very well be wrong... and if it is just L-III boys... duck.

Oh and for the record it has gotten progressively thinner over the years...

And a little less hot too.

[benEzra]

24. Yes, definitely. NIJ III is rated to stop .308 Winchester/7.62mm NATO...

so it will stop AK-47 rounds and most M16/AR-15 rounds easily.

I do like the concept of the overlapping scales, as it lets you have some flexibility instead of being so rigid.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. Good to know my memory ain't failing me

I used II-B back in the dark days when it was HEAVY and HOT.

As to the overlapping scales, in the UK they have been experimenting with chain mail as one of the layers for knives. I wonder if the overlapping might help too. I doubt it, due to the nature of it, but still.

[EFerrari]

6. LOL. Let's have a fundraiser and buy this man a fig leaf.

[pinboy3niner]

8. Is he getting P.R. advice from his buddy and ally, Sheriff Joe Arpaio?

Babeu's politics make me skeptical about why he's going public with this now.

[Monique1]

9. Yesterday I heard someone refer to Sheriff Babeu

as Joe Arpio Jr. This is so true.

[pinboy3niner]

36. That's a good one

I hadn't heard it before. I may have an even better one, now that you've got me thinking about it.

How about "Little Joe"? :)

[blondeatlast]

37. I like.

:thumbsup:

[blondeatlast]

10. It is to laugh--imagine if he'd asked Pinal Countians to shell out a 1/2 cent more for sales tax.

But charity? That's just swell with the poor, downtrodden sheriff.

[Blue_Tires]

11. just for shock value, i'd love to see an interview with a person who actually donates

it's a shakedown for suckers, nothing more...Sheriff peobably needs a new car this year, and he gets to ramp up the fear quotient at the same time...

in the 2-3 years after 9/11, i remember it being Christmastime for State/County/City LEOs as Homeland Security dropped more funding, guns, and high-tech toys in their laps than they could ever use...Even the Andy Griffith one-stop-light towns cashed in like crazy...

[derby378]

14. Probably just wants to scare a few Mexicans with his new thundersticks

If he's anything like Arpaio, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised.

[blondeatlast]

15. He's EVERYTHING like Arpaio with a tad more overt racism as a kicker. nt

[pinboy3niner]

18. Or scare Americans and stoke anti-Mexican sentiment...

...with publicity like this. And it comes out on the same day that news comes from Arpaio's office about an alleged cartel "hit" on him. Two stories, same day, both about the dire threat to Americans from across the border, both from political allies in the push for anti-immigrant legislation in Arizona. And both are invested in promoting the perception that the border is growing more violent and dangerous and we cannot act on comprehensive immigration reform until we secure the border FIRST.

[derby378]

19. Is this related to that fake new story about the Zetas invading ranches in Laredo?

Arpaio's life has been threatened. Los Zetas are in the cattle business. No evidence for either story. I see a pattern emerging.

[pinboy3niner]

22. I see a pattern, too--and we'll probably see more of this

It's hard not to suspect coordination between Arpaio and Babeu. Ths story on the non-existent Los Zetas 'invasion' started with a Minuteman activist in CA who may have acted on his own, but the anti-immigrant activists all know what kinds of scary headlines serve their agenda. (And it is interesting that a former Breitbart colleague also had a role in promoting the Zetas story.)

My suspicion is that, the more attention is given to comprehensive immigration reform, the more scary stories like this we'll see.

[MajorChode]

28. "A lie told often enough becomes the truth."

-- Vladimir Lenin

One rancher gets shot in Arizona and from watching fucksticks like Hannity, you would think that Mexico had signed a declaration of war against the US. A few people of middle eastern descent get caught at the border and they tell you that Al-Qaeda is flooding into the US from Mexico. The really pathetic part is people are actually buying this mindless horseshit.

Border Patrol sectors used to be tiny field offices with individual agents assigned hundreds of miles of territory. Now you can just about walk from California to Texas on the rooftops of CBP trucks without ever touching the ground and drugs are more available today than they ever have been.

[pinboy3niner]

38. Sounds like the RNC's motto

And that of a certain news network also known as "the lupus of news".

I appreciate all the information you contribute here about the Border Patrol--especially when even some of our own here seem to have bought into the RW distortions and spin. We are aware of the statistics showing that border crime and violence are down (NOT up), but it is very helpful to see those "on the ground" stories from those who are on the front lines. :thumbsup:

[kctim]

21. Who cares about

the Sheriff or his politics. The questions should be are they outmanned and outgunned? If so, why?

[SargeUNN]

23. I have met this freak

He impressed me as being a skinhead. He is a politician turned sheriff and plays up to Jeff Flake and McCain. He is a liar and has no low he won't sink to. I call him sheriff Baboon.

[pinboy3niner]

25. He recently did a an interview on a white power radio show

He claimed he was unaware of the station's background. But a host at the station said he's lying--they spoke to him in advance and explained who they are and what they do, and even informed him about how the Southern Poverty Law Center classified the station as a white power organ.

No wonder you picked up a 'skinhead' vibe, Sarge.

(P.S.: Good to see you back and posting again!) :hi: