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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 09:22 AM
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If There Is One Thing Rand Paul Knows It Is American History
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/rand-paul-mountain-top-removal-mining-enhances-the-land.php

Miles and Paul drive through Harlan County, Kentucky -- the front line for some of the nastiest labor battles in the history of American coal. The county was where many miners spent decades trying to win concessions from owners and help build coal mining into a middle class job. But when Miles asks about it, Paul can't seem to remember why the area is important to Kentucky:

Something about Harlan has lodged itself in my brain the way a shard of barbecue gets stuck in one's teeth, and I've asked Paul for help. "I don't know," he says in an elusive accent that's not quite southern and not quite not-southern. The town of Hazard is nearby, he notes: "It's famous for, like, The Dukes of Hazzard."


The rest of the article reads like a parody - sadly it is not
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 09:40 AM
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1. Anyone named after Ayn Rand isn't going to be an intellectual giant.
Although they will pretend to be...poorly.

Of this I can assure you.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 09:41 AM
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2. It's just a private property issue.
Edited on Tue Aug-03-10 09:41 AM by Jim__
If you own land with a river running through it, you should be able to dam up the river on your land and then sell the water to your downstream neighbors. Private property - the solution to all of our problems.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 10:28 AM
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3. Check out my backyard...


The neighbors hate it
but, fuck 'em - it MAKES ME MONEY
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 11:29 AM
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4. Ooh,
:rofl:
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 11:31 AM
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6. Bookmarking because you've made this point better than anyone I've ever known.
:applause:
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 11:29 AM
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5. You're kidding, right?
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 11:41 AM
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8. Yes.
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 01:00 PM
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10. Oh good! I really wasn't sure!
This place get's a little nutty at times :-)
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 11:49 AM
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9. And that shows people ignorance of what is Private property.
In my home state of Pennsylvania if you own both sides of a river BUT the river gets water from any land you do NOT own, that river is a Highway and like any highway can NOT be blocked except by the State itself. Thus you may own both sides of the River, Creek, Stream or Run, the actual River, Creek, Stream or Run is a public highway UNLESS it starts on your land (i.e. the spring that starts the actual River, Creek, Stream is on your land). Pennsylvania has NEVER sold those rights of ways to individuals and as such it is a public highway NOT Private Property.

Private Property (as defined by the US Supreme Court) is a "bundle of sticks" that the State gave someone. This was how the US Supreme Court accepted the fact that the State defines what is not only private but what is property. The State can "Redefine" such property any way it wants UNLESS the action takes away to many of the "Sticks" that make up the rights of "Private Property". Private Property, as defined by the US Supreme Court, is a group of rights much like a "bundle of sticks". Taking one or two sticks or rights in the form of regulation is NOT a taking for the private property owner still holds most of the Sticks (i.e. most of the rights related to that property). It is only a taking when most of the Rights (Most of the Sticks) are taken by the Government.

In the cases of Rivers, Creeks, Streams, and Runs, Pennsylvania has NEVER gave those away as Private Property even when deeds clearly show such Rivers, Creeks, Streams, and Runs, within someone's property for the same reason the State never sold a highway when it conveyed both sides of a Highway to one person. This is the law in most states.

Now, Pennsylvania technically puts a restrictions on such water highways if the River, Creek, Stream, or Run, is NOT "Navigable", then does NOT define what is meant by "Navigable". In my opinion that means any stream you can pull a canoe on (Going back to Colonial days) but some local courts have ruled otherwise (But was reversed by the State Supreme Court that ruled if a Water source HAD in the past been used for navigation it was "Navigable" even if it was NOT used for such today or on the last 100 years, in that decision what was the limit of what was "Navigable" was NOT decided, all that was decided was that a river that had at one time, but has not been for decades, been used for transportation was a "Navigable" body of water).

"Run" is a Pennsylvania (And some other states) term for a small stream. It is believe to come from a Similar German term for such small water flows.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 11:35 AM
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7. Maybe this will help him a bit.
He doesn't even have to read, he can watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCiVMngILEI
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 11:05 PM
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11. .
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