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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 12:06 PM
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RW Propaganda
A coworker listens to this shit all day long. I listened for a few minutes. They are really quite good. They make it sound like you are intelligent for listening.

It's Charlie Tuna and Good Taste. He thinks he has good taste, but in reality he tastes good.

The RW wants you to think you're smart while they turn your brain to pus.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 12:12 PM
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1. THAT is called "framing the debate" or "framing the Issue'.
Edited on Tue Aug-03-10 12:16 PM by BrklynLiberal
The repukes have people like Frank Luntz showing them EXACTLY how to do that. They issue talking points EVERY day and all the rwingnut talking heads vomit them out hour after hour.

That is how the repukes get voters to vote against their own best interests!!!!

If the Dems would spend just a little bit of energy putting into practice what Geroge Lakoff has been talking about for years..they might be able to combat some of this disgusting vitriol that has been spewing from the media for decades.

GEORGE LAKOFF GEORGE LAKOFF GEORGE LAKOFF


As you can see, this article is from 2003!!!!!!!!

http://berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/10/27_lakoff.shtml
Framing the issues: UC Berkeley professor George Lakoff tells how conservatives use language to dominate politics

http://markmaynard.com/?p=7501

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The best part of the article is the contribution by Thomas Frank, the author of What’s the Matter with Kansas?: How Conservatives Won the Heart of America. Here’s a highlight:

….Right-wing politics has become a vehicle for channelling this popular anger against intellectual snobs. The result is that many of America’s poorest citizens have a deep emotional attachment to a party that serves the interests of its richest.

Thomas Frank says that whatever disadvantaged Americans think they are voting for, they get something quite different:

“You vote to strike a blow against elitism and you receive a social order in which wealth is more concentrated than ever before in our life times, workers have been stripped of power, and CEOs are rewarded in a manner that is beyond imagining… It’s like a French Revolution in reverse in which the workers come pouring down the street screaming more power to the aristocracy.”

As Mr Frank sees it, authenticity has replaced economics as the driving force of modern politics. The authentic politicians are the ones who sound like they are speaking from the gut, not the cerebral cortex. Of course, they might be faking it, but it is no joke to say that in contemporary politics, if you can fake sincerity, you have got it made.


And here, according to the author of the article, is the big takeaway message from all of this… “If people vote against their own interests, it is not because they do not understand what is in their interest or have not yet had it properly explained to them. They do it because they resent having their interests decided for them by politicians who think they know best. There is nothing voters hate more than having things explained to them as though they were idiots. As the saying goes, in politics, when you are explaining, you are losing. And that makes anything as complex or as messy as healthcare reform a very hard sell.”
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 04:17 PM
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4. An Englishman once told me
that the staunchest Royalists are the ones that get shot first in war, the lower classes.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 08:02 PM
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5. Humans are a strange breed......
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cybildisobedience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 12:18 PM
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2. they also allow you to describe yourself as proud, patriotic, moral, etc.
Edited on Tue Aug-03-10 12:19 PM by cybildisobedience
instead of ignorant, cowardly or bigoted and judgmental.

If you don't want same-sex marriage, you don't describe yourself as small-minded and judgmental -- you say you "embrace traditional values."

If you want war but don't want to fight, you don't call yourself a hypocritical, yellow-bellied coward -- you say you are a patriot, who defends freedom and democracy and who wants to export it across the globe.

You can be a racist, you can be ill-informed, you can be a hypocrite -- and the right still finds a way to make their followers feel superior.

Conversely, you can be a progressive, who genuinely embraces concepts like fairness, concern for others, empathy, generosity -- and be made to feel like you're morally inferior. They made "liberal" a bad word, and too many people of the left have aided and abbetted them.

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 12:38 PM
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3. Charlie Tuna? As in original Los Angeles Boss Jock Charlie Tuna?
Please, say it ain't so!

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