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sixmile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 02:14 PM Original message |
Cancer cells slurp up fructose, US study finds |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
1. Wanna bet this gets little love? K&R. |
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sixmile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Posted to remind myself to stay away from HFCS |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
16. i know, huh? |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 06:38 PM Response to Reply #3 |
59. Eat raw sugar or stevia instead. The synthetic stuff is poison. nt |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 08:58 PM Response to Reply #59 |
87. I tried stevia.. ick. |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 10:25 PM Response to Reply #87 |
105. Use agave nectar |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 10:38 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. Thanks! |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 06:55 AM Response to Reply #105 |
158. Sorry. Agave nectar is high in fructose. That is why it's considered low glycemic. |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #105 |
184. Agave Nectar is the best, tastes better and is easier to use. |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 09:00 PM Response to Reply #184 |
242. Please tell me specifically where you can get this by the gallon |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-10 12:03 PM Response to Reply #105 |
258. Agave nectar (also called agave syrup) is a sweetener commercially produced in Mexico. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #258 |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 07:36 AM Response to Reply #87 |
163. There's some good tasting stevia and bad tasting stevia. All stevia tastes |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-10 09:31 AM Response to Reply #163 |
250. yup |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-10 12:43 PM Response to Reply #163 |
264. the "coke & pepsi stevia" pay a premium to coke/pepsi for that. |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 07:36 PM Response to Reply #87 |
239. try xylitol, it's low glycemic and good! n/t |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 11:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
114. Better stay away from fruit |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 11:28 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. the amount of sugar in fruit and veggies is not HFCS |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 11:34 PM Response to Reply #116 |
123. Pardon me... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 11:39 PM Response to Reply #123 |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 11:55 PM Response to Reply #132 |
134. you implied it by saying "better stay away from ..." and listing fruits and veggies, etc |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 12:06 AM Response to Reply #134 |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 12:17 AM Response to Reply #137 |
139. I'm not paranoid about much - in fact, where did I ever state my opinion about fructose? |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 12:29 AM Response to Reply #139 |
144. Do I have to draw you a picture? |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 12:36 AM Response to Reply #144 |
146. 2) You post, "Posted to remind myself to stay away from HFCS" |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 12:02 PM Response to Reply #144 |
191. So What? |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #191 |
194. Sure they are and I would never suggest otherwise |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #194 |
200. Nonetheless, Wouldn't You Agree |
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backtomn (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #200 |
206. Sucrose is nearly half FRUCTOSE |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #206 |
223. I'll Rephrase |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #206 |
224. There is a difference |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 03:13 PM Response to Reply #200 |
220. No, I think it would be an unwise idea |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 03:32 PM Response to Reply #220 |
226. Regarding the Princeton Study |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #226 |
230. There's several holes in both studies |
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backtomn (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #116 |
204. Fructose is generally referred to as "fruit sugar" |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 04:24 PM Response to Reply #204 |
231. I know that and have known it for years. |
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pansypoo53219 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 12:19 AM Response to Reply #114 |
140. my cousin is pre-diabetic and was having symptoms |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 12:42 AM Response to Reply #140 |
148. Legumes are excellent for everyone, but especially for diabetics and pre-type II folks. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Wholelottalove. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 02:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Yay! maybe I'm wrong. |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 07:58 PM Response to Reply #9 |
73. You usually are. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 03:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
26. Oh it will get some love, |
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xxqqqzme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 04:29 PM Response to Reply #26 |
39. If that was your garden last year, |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 06:39 PM Response to Reply #26 |
61. What a healthy looking garden. Do or have you had any trouble with |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 07:50 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. The humidity is very high here, |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 09:25 PM Response to Reply #69 |
100. Fabulous tips! Thank you! nt |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 10:27 PM Response to Reply #26 |
106. Food Like Substances! |
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InvisibleTouch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 10:04 AM Response to Reply #26 |
177. What a fantastic garden!! :) n/t |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
30. it's at +90 in less than two hours. |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 10:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
104. I came to the party too late to take your bet |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
2. What do you know? |
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Lifelong Protester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
4. Not surprised and doing all I can to rid my diet of HFCS |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Natural fruit contains fructose. |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. And other chemicals that are healthy for us. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. You do realize the pancreas doesn't care where the fructose came from. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. you obviously don't realize that fruit contains fiber and nutrients that buffer the influx of sugar |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 03:02 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. And yet the fructose still ends up in your body. |
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daleanime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. You know.... |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Being concerned about what you consume is a good thing. |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 11:30 PM Response to Reply #23 |
117. yet more falsehoods |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 12:03 AM Response to Reply #117 |
136. Duh |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 12:21 AM Response to Reply #136 |
142. eh, you're the one implying something |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 12:34 AM Response to Reply #142 |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 12:51 AM Response to Reply #147 |
149. Nothing like a personal attack when someone calls BS on you, eh? |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 07:10 AM Response to Reply #149 |
161. you have done nothing but attack me! |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 06:42 AM Response to Reply #117 |
157. What *exactly* was the "falsehood" in my posts? |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 07:11 AM Response to Reply #157 |
162. you're right - they still contain fructose |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 07:43 AM Response to Reply #162 |
165. Apology heartily accepted. |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 08:14 AM Response to Reply #165 |
167. it was not the chemistry I was questioning, nor am I damning HFCS per se |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 09:38 AM Response to Reply #167 |
172. Oh, sorry, didn't imply to mean you were. |
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backtomn (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
210. Can you explain he science of that??? |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-10 11:38 AM Response to Reply #210 |
254. Well Worn Hookum |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 03:54 PM Response to Reply #8 |
29. Yes they do |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. Oh of course. |
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ThomasQED (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 04:26 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Is it the same fructose? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 04:28 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Fructose is a molecule. |
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Alameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 09:03 PM Response to Reply #35 |
95. Fructose naturally occurring in a pear is NOT the same as |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 10:51 PM Response to Reply #95 |
110. Actually, it is exactly the same |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 11:32 PM Response to Reply #95 |
119. what is "artificial" fructose? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 06:33 AM Response to Reply #95 |
155. I'm sorry, but there is no such thing as "artificial" fructose. |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 08:42 AM Response to Reply #95 |
169. Yeah it is; its the same molecule. |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-10 11:46 AM Response to Reply #95 |
255. Without Agreeing |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 06:39 PM Response to Reply #8 |
60. It's mixed with glucose, too. It's not like the HFCS bomb we get in processed foods in Merka. nt |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 07:59 PM Response to Reply #60 |
75. HFCS is also fructose mixed with glucose. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 11:33 PM Response to Reply #60 |
121. hfcs contains glucose. what is "merka"? |
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Alameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 08:59 PM Response to Reply #8 |
90. I think the answer is in the word.."natural" |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 11:33 PM Response to Reply #90 |
122. like arsenic? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 06:39 AM Response to Reply #90 |
156. And the fructose in HFCS is equally natural. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #156 |
192. Except It's Gone Through A Refining Process |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 12:50 PM Response to Reply #192 |
196. Which does not dispute at all what I said. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #192 |
261. so have stevia, agave nectar, table sugar & all the other things touted as superior to hfcs. |
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obxhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 09:43 AM Response to Reply #8 |
174. Clearly eating an orange is exactly the same as slamming a Mt Dew. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 10:54 AM Response to Reply #174 |
182. Which is clearly what I said, right? |
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obxhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-10 01:50 AM Response to Reply #182 |
248. hang it up, you know that's exactly what you've been pushing |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-10 11:10 AM Response to Reply #248 |
253. No, because what you said was false. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #174 |
199. Except for that one Dew having as much fuctose as half a bushel of oranges. nt |
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obxhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-10 01:49 AM Response to Reply #199 |
247. yes, a dripping with sarcasm emoticon belonged there. nt |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #199 |
260. link? |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #4 |
18. it truly is |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 04:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
45. Fructose made you diabetic? Umm...okay. nt |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 08:55 PM Response to Reply #45 |
84. no, not fructose |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 07:14 PM Response to Reply #84 |
235. Foods are not to blame for our habits. We are. nt |
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shellgame26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 09:06 PM Response to Reply #18 |
98. I'm convinced it made my mom diabetic too |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 02:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
21. My only weakness is white bread. |
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xxqqqzme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #21 |
36. I have started making my own bread again. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 06:42 PM Response to Reply #21 |
64. Buy organic bread. It should have sugar instead of hfcs. nt |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 09:04 PM Response to Reply #21 |
96. Where do you shop? |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
5. Don't mind me, I'm just setting up a folding chair before |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 06:06 PM Response to Reply #5 |
54. No shit. Every time I eat something with HFCS my hypoglycemia goes nuts, I'm instantly |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #54 |
208. and you got your Medical Degree from WHERE? |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 07:43 PM Response to Reply #208 |
240. one does not need a medical degree |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 09:10 PM Response to Reply #240 |
244. That is the most important concept that every human needs to internalize |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 09:22 PM Response to Reply #244 |
245. I applaud you |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 10:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
109. and aren't we so sick of their nonsense? |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 11:31 PM Response to Reply #5 |
118. I'm sitting back and enjoying |
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Bozita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
6. This thread is sure slurping up the Recs! |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
10. Well, since sugar is one of the highest sources of fructose, we're screwed. |
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sixmile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 02:35 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. The study doesn't say it causes cancer |
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louis-t (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 05:06 PM Response to Reply #12 |
48. Problem is, once pancreatic cancer is diagnosed |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 11:26 PM Response to Reply #48 |
115. So you get 17 weeks of slow, lingering death instead of 16 |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. and how many people do you know that swig down a six pack of maple syrup a day? |
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Lifelong Protester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. I agree, it is not the naturally occuring fructose that is doing us in |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Do you understand that fructose is a specific molecule... |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 04:52 PM Response to Reply #25 |
44. Oh no you didn't! Don't be bringing that science and logic stuff around here! |
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Alameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 09:01 PM Response to Reply #20 |
93. processed and maybe also GMO?....hmmm...I wonder |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 03:03 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. A few points. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 04:57 PM Response to Reply #17 |
46. But that would be true if sodas, etc, were made with cane sugar, |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 03:42 PM Response to Reply #10 |
27. Eat onions instead! |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Onions are actually really high in sugars |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 05:21 PM Response to Reply #33 |
51. A mouthful of unhappiness? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 08:49 PM Response to Reply #51 |
82. Because of its sugar! |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #10 |
31. Sugar (sucrose) is actually a disaccharide of both fructose and glucose |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 11:32 PM Response to Reply #10 |
120. fail |
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freebrew (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #120 |
193. Fail? |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 07:09 PM Response to Reply #193 |
234. There is fructose in molasses |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
13. this article has no useful information. tumor cells metabolize glucose to "divide & proliferate" |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
15. two things you can do immediately |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 03:00 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. I just saw a story about diet soda the other day.. |
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lolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 10:42 PM Response to Reply #22 |
108. That's exactly what happened with me |
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ThomasQED (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 04:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
40. In my city |
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NYMdaveNYI (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 08:42 PM Response to Reply #40 |
80. shop at Whole Foods |nt| |
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ThomasQED (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 09:02 PM Response to Reply #80 |
94. I refuse... |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 09:00 PM Response to Reply #40 |
91. well, you either pay now or pay later |
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ThomasQED (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 09:00 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. I wasn't talking about me |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 11:51 PM Response to Reply #92 |
133. well |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 06:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
55. A lot of bakeries-including those in grocery stores, use regular sugar |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 08:58 PM Response to Reply #55 |
88. stevia is great |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 08:58 PM Response to Reply #55 |
89. stevia is great |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 06:40 PM Response to Reply #15 |
62. I buy organic bread. No HFCS and folate instead of the synthetic folic acid. nt |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 08:57 PM Response to Reply #62 |
86. yes |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 06:41 PM Response to Reply #15 |
63. where do I buy glucose with which to make my bread? eom |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 08:57 PM Response to Reply #63 |
85. whatttt? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 11:36 PM Response to Reply #85 |
124. sugar contains fructose. |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 11:50 PM Response to Reply #124 |
131. or honey, or... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 12:56 AM Response to Reply #131 |
150. you don't need any added sweetners to make bread rise, flour = starch. |
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haele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 11:26 AM Response to Reply #85 |
185. Use beer. That's what the ancient world used to help their bread rise. |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #185 |
215. I will have to try that. thanks. eom |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 07:34 PM Response to Reply #185 |
238. love beer bread! n/t |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
32. I hope they clarify soon whether it's any and ALL forms of fructose, or what? |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #32 |
47. The answer is clear--stay away from fruits, vegetables and honey! |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-10 11:55 AM Response to Reply #47 |
256. Better, Eat Nothing |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 06:47 PM Response to Reply #32 |
65. all forms of fructose are fructose. Fructose is a specific molecule whether its created in a fruit- |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 07:59 PM Response to Reply #65 |
74. Please see my link to article that discusses fructose... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 11:38 PM Response to Reply #32 |
125. what is "it"? that article contains no useful information whatsoever. |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
41. YUM YUM! GET YOUR CANCER SLURPIES AT 7/11 ! nt |
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NYMdaveNYI (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 08:40 PM Response to Reply #41 |
78. NOM NOM I WANT ME A CANCER SLURRPIEE |nt| |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
42. "Fructose - like alcohol without the buzz" |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
43. It is very hard to avoid sugar in America |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 05:25 PM Response to Reply #43 |
52. It's easy to avoid excessive fructose. |
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bergie321 (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 05:41 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Thank You |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 06:34 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. A quick rule of thumb is if it comes out of a bag, box, or window, it's might not be food. |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 09:04 AM Response to Reply #58 |
171. Farmer's markets sell only straw? |
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thereismore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
49. Abstract of the paper here: |
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thereismore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
50. Another paper shows breast cancer cells on fructose accelerate invasion: |
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Lithos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
56. To add |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
57. Avoid corporate processed HFCS mutant GM clone facsimile crapola |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
66. K&R(nt) |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
67. our food suppliers are killing their clients....us |
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InvisibleTouch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 10:00 AM Response to Reply #67 |
176. Those same corporate food suppliers also own Big Pharma, so... |
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TheDebbieDee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
68. You know, unless and until I become a Type I diabetic........ |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
70. Check out this article: "Agave Nectar Worse Than We Thought.. |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 07:56 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Very interesting |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 08:06 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Here's a snip from the article. Show it to your parents... |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 08:43 PM Response to Reply #70 |
81. I have read the article and have found critical errors that make me question its validity... |
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sixmile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 09:35 PM Response to Reply #81 |
101. Is the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism propaganda? |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 11:34 AM Response to Reply #101 |
187. The journal is not propaganda, but the presentation in this article appears to be... |
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Ratty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 02:55 AM Response to Reply #81 |
152. Heh, yeah. Search that site for "vaccine" |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 06:28 AM Response to Reply #81 |
154. Thanks. I didn't claim to have much expertise on the "chemistry" side of this...however, |
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ThomasQED (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 08:54 PM Response to Reply #70 |
83. Agave and stevia are not the same thing |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 10:59 PM Response to Reply #70 |
111. Just like with HFCS, it comes down to one thing... |
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patrick t. cakes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
71. k/r |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
77. dextrose is good to help build muscle, its in Smarties and you can buy it at a health food store, |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
79. Oh, dear. Fructose is the sugar in fruits and vegetables. |
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earcandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 12:23 AM Response to Reply #79 |
143. natural fructose in veggies and fruits is okay. its the concentrated packed synthetic shit |
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burrowowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
97. I'm not surprised |
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theophilus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
99. Hey, where's hifuctrosepornsyrup guy? He sould see this. n/t |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 06:58 AM Response to Reply #99 |
159. please. let sleeping dogs lie. |
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enki23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
102. yay. more bad science writing leading to stupid fucking conclusions. |
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sixmile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 09:44 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. Yes. BAD science at UCLA Comprehensive Cancer Center |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 11:02 PM Response to Reply #103 |
112. I think most people understand that HFCS is poison... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 11:43 PM Response to Reply #112 |
129. no, most people don't understand that. please point me to the studies showing that |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 09:51 AM Response to Reply #129 |
175. HFCS causes people... |
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sixmile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #175 |
217. And here comes another... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #217 |
222. right, anyone who challenges hfcs tinfoil is a shill for the corn syrup industry. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 03:17 PM Response to Reply #175 |
221. i'm a dietitian who's done nutrition research. "hfcs causes people to become fat" = a |
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sixmile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 03:27 PM Response to Reply #221 |
225. Can you cite studies that state HFCS is not fattening? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 05:38 PM Response to Reply #225 |
232. please tell me what claims are made in the op, & if you've actually read the research |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 11:30 AM Response to Reply #112 |
186. what studies? I don't think most people understand that, nor that it is even true... |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #186 |
201. HFCS is, by definition, over consumption. It is concentrated, it is present |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #201 |
211. HFCS actually has just about the same fructose content as cane sugar (sucrose). |
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sixmile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 02:39 PM Response to Reply #112 |
216. Here comes one now... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 11:42 PM Response to Reply #103 |
128. tell me, what does that article actually say? what were the findings of the researchers? |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #103 |
198. the poster isn't knocking the actual research |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 11:41 PM Response to Reply #102 |
127. +100. that article is amazing for the degree to which it seems to suggest something bad while |
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sixmile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 07:53 AM Response to Reply #127 |
166. I see what's happening here |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 11:38 AM Response to Reply #166 |
188. Oh please. |
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sixmile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 02:20 PM Response to Reply #188 |
212. your username as an example |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #212 |
214. not by science dummies but by dummy science. eom |
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sixmile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #214 |
219. Are there bad food-type items in the U.S. food supply? |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-10 12:41 PM Response to Reply #219 |
262. I haven't done an inventory on the U.S. food supply, so I can't make that call... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #166 |
213. what the study shows can't be determined from the article posted. |
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Tracer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 10:35 AM Response to Reply #127 |
181. How true! |
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MrMickeysMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
113. Maybe what this article calls for is continued interest in - |
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Sugarcoated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 12:38 PM Response to Reply #113 |
195. I remember reading this |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 11:43 PM Response to Original message |
130. Huge K & R! I kicked that crap to the curb this past year and am so glad I did! |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-03-10 11:56 PM Response to Original message |
135. So add cancer fighting chemicals to HFCS to trick the cells |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 12:12 AM Response to Original message |
138. There's was an interesting study on cancer in Germany long, long ago . .. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 03:37 PM Response to Reply #138 |
229. Just a PS on this message which is incomplete . . . |
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earcandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 12:20 AM Response to Original message |
141. Kinda like genocide through diet, huh? Easy pickings. Sick blokes aren't they? |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 06:59 AM Response to Reply #141 |
160. It's just thinning the herd. |
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era veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 01:50 AM Response to Original message |
151. Thanks, great post K & R |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 06:02 AM Response to Original message |
153. Buzzards gotta eat, same as the worms. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 07:41 AM Response to Original message |
164. The world was thinner before HFCS. nt |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 11:44 AM Response to Reply #164 |
189. the world was thinner before cell phones. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #189 |
202. You hate considering the fact that the world was thinner before HFCS. |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #202 |
205. I hate considering hfcs as much as I hate considering that the world was thinner before cell phones. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 03:37 PM Response to Reply #205 |
228. Scientists are the people who produce causal evidence for |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-10 09:58 AM Response to Reply #228 |
251. As yet, they have produced none |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #228 |
265. please post a link to the causal evidence...or even a reference, if not a link. |
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bergie321 (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #265 |
268. here |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 07:22 PM Response to Reply #189 |
236. LOL!! nt |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 09:04 PM Response to Reply #189 |
243. There was no type 2 diabetes 50 years ago... |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-10 10:36 AM Response to Reply #243 |
252. Yes, it's not the people's fault they are fat, it's Monsanto's |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-10 11:57 AM Response to Reply #243 |
257. of course there was, where did you get that idea? |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #243 |
266. If it is taken out of products it is because of market driven reasons... |
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bergie321 (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #189 |
267. How many of those things |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 08:30 AM Response to Original message |
168. Hunts has gone back to cane sugar in ketchup. |
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FailureToCommunicate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 08:48 AM Response to Original message |
170. My younger brother recently died of pancreatic cancer. We're still looking for answers, but |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
173. Net recommendation: +254 votes (Your vote: +1) Can Not Rec This One Enough !! |
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Sugarcoated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
178. Sugar is bad, bad bad |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 08:09 PM Response to Reply #178 |
241. I think it's important |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
179. So, cancer cells are like most humans...they like to eat sweets...n/t |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 10:34 AM Response to Reply #179 |
180. yes |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 11:02 AM Response to Reply #180 |
183. And our mothers tell us not to! |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #179 |
190. I'll make this guarantee right here and now. |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #190 |
209. So you are saying that by not eating, we are reducing our risk of dying of cancer enormously? eom |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 02:58 PM Response to Reply #209 |
218. Yes! |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #218 |
263. I'm trying the first one. I'm really getting hungry. Are you sure this is going to work??? eom |
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paparush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
197. DU - (def) A social website once dedicated to insightful political discourse |
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backtomn (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
203. A little science here...... |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 07:24 PM Response to Reply #203 |
237. Oh no! Not science! That stuff is scary!! |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
207. In the 70's everyone KNEW that saccharine was a carcinogen |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
227. This could get interesting |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 06:29 PM Response to Reply #227 |
233. cancer cells also "love" glucose. the body uses both to fuel normal metabolism. |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-04-10 09:54 PM Response to Reply #233 |
246. The problem is it's a newspaper article |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-10 02:57 AM Response to Reply #246 |
249. the article doesn't say cancer cells "prefer" fructose to glucose, though it implies it. |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-05-10 12:06 PM Response to Reply #233 |
259. Well, So the Article |
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