Prop C is winning in MO...

[usregimechange]

Cities are not in but there is too big of a gap.

http://www.sos.mo.gov/enrmaps/20100803/ballot_Issue_map.asp?eid=283&oTypeID=20&Tuesday,%20August%2003,%202010

[cbdo2007]

1. No big shocker here. Not really a big deal either as far as Health Care Reform as a whole.

[proud2BlibKansan]

7. It's a big deal because a win is a victory for the teabaggers

They've worked hard to get it passed.

[MajorChode]

13. Proposition C and $3 will get you a cup of coffee

And it will also cost residents of the state of Missouri millions in tax dollars to fight a losing battle in court. Seems like a losing proposition to me, but I guess to a dipshit teabagger it might not. Like some of the dipshits in Texas, they don't seem to care if they are paying millions to lawyers to fight losing battles while they are laying off employees.

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. Well the dipshits won this one

I hate to see them win anything.

[MajorChode]

16. In their own minds maybe

You have to question the sanity of someone who is so intent on winning that they will vote for some token piece of shit legislation that will gain them absolutely nothing and ultimately cost them money.

The real reason things like this are put on the ballot is to stir up the morans and get them to the voting booth where they will vote for GOPhers (which is also against their best interests). So the reality is they are little more than useful idiots being manipulated, and they don't even realize it.

[court jester]

24. You have to question the sanity of someone who

"You have to question the sanity of someone who is so intent on winning that they will vote for some token piece of shit legislation that will gain them absolutely nothing and ultimately cost them money."

A Perfect description of the Health Insurance Ripoff and Enslavement act of 2010.

Denial is the New Mississippi.

[MajorChode]

25. Sez you

I suppose if you are only interested in what government can do for your own selfish interests, you might be able to come up with that conclusion. Regardless of what you think, it sure as hell does a lot more than absolutely nothing, so your obvious appeal to emotion is soundly rejected.

Here is what you're in denial:
http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/what-you-get-when-hcr-passes

Cheers!

[usregimechange]

30. Yeah it enslaves us to purchase insurance or face a fine the non payment of which results in nothing

That is about as authoritarian as the prohibition against murder.

[kctim]

17. EVERY Democrat I know

voted YES on this.

[proud2BlibKansan]

18. And every Democrat I know in MO voted no

My school will now likely lose a federal grant we have for health care.

And MO goes back to how it was before HCR. I don't like the mandates either but overall we're better off with HCR than without it.

[kctim]

21. My point is that the "dipshits"

you mention had help from us and it didn't have to be that way. HCR is needed and coming up with a plan that ALL Democrats can accept is crucial.

[cbdo2007]

27. MO doesn't go back to how it was before HCR - everything else about the bill

still stands. The only part MO opted out of, which will lose in a court battle anyways, are the Health Insurance Mandates to force people to buy health insurance.

[proud2BlibKansan]

28. And that's not how the teabaggers sold it at all

They won this one. And as much as I hate the mandates, I would have voted no merely because that was the opposite position of the teabaggers. They have a huge foothold in MO and need to be derailed.

[cbdo2007]

29. You're right that this is how they sold it - and Carnahan would be smart to

jump on this and sell it the way it really is - that Health Insurance Mandates are a republican formed issue supported by Kit Bond, that "Obamacare" is here to stay, and that they Blunt won't really even take on Health Care Reform, he is just using that issue to get them worked up and get elected, but he's proven time and again that he's sidestepping the Health Care Reform issue, just like Prop C does.

Really, Carnahan should be out spinning the crap out of this thing today and pinning it all on Blunt and Bond, and challenging them to recall other parts of the Health Care Bill - unfortunatly, Carnahan isn't much of a fighter and the people pulling her strings will let this go unnoticed.

[cbdo2007]

19. It was a funny poll question, because really it wasn't liked by most people.

Really, most Dems and Repubes didn't like the Health Care Mandate, so what the teabaggers did is they found one issue out of the Health Care Reform they knew would be hated by a large majority, and now they are using that as the headline that "Voters reject Obama Health Care Reform" when really they haven't rejected anything about Obama's Health Care Reform except for this small part which was a Republican idea to begin with.

The funny thing is that IT IS WORKING!!! REPUBES TODAY really think they scored a huge victory and overturned Obama's full health care bill!!!! ha ha ha hahahahahahahahaha ROFL!!! They're talking today like they practically voted him out of office!!! So really this is a big win for Obama and his real health care bill, because now they'll be forced to leave it alone because they already all voted against it.

[kctim]

22. The mandate is not a small part

it is the only part. Americans do not like mandates and this whole HCR fiasco could have been avoided if they would have made it completely voluntary.

[marmar]

2. What's Prop C?

nt

[usregimechange]

4. Tries to block hcr at the state level

[cbdo2007]

5. doesn't block hcr - only blocks the health insurance mandate part of it.

The rest of hcr isn't even touched by Prop C....so....um....really it's not that big of a deal.

[27inCali]

8. if all it's doing is blocking the mandate

Isn't that what most of us wanted here on DU in the first place? Or is it bad now because the teanutters want it?

[IndianaGreen]

12. Many of us opposed the mandate

and some of us even warned that it was legally iffy to have the federal government require that people purchase a product from a corporation.

Had we pushed for Medicare for all that wanted it, none of this would have happened, and it would have been constitutional.

[cbdo2007]

20. That is why they used this issue, is because they knew they would get an overwhelming

response to vote against it.

The good news, as I've posted a few times, is that now the Repubes today actually think they've overturned Obama's Health Care Bill completely and that this is a big win for them, when really it's a big win for obama because the other 95% of the health care bill will be ignored by them. They put all their eggs in this basket.

[27inCali]

31. you nailed it

They could have showed some guts and it would have paid off this year. So frustrating. Though a really believe this is about a handful of Senators who are really too conservative to be calling themselves Dems making the rest of the party look stupid (like they need much help).

[Hawkeye-X]

6. .

Better explanation of Prop C was said, and I agree with it.

[Historic NY]

3. Are they leaving the Union?

[The Northerner]

9. It appears that the yes votes will likely win by about 60 - 70-something per cent

[SoCalNative]

10. And I hope every last one of the "No" voters

winds up destitute as a result of medical bills.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

11. Ha, they could end up destitute even if they go along with the mandate

because of the high deductibles and copays allowed under HCR.

[Fumesucker]

23. Exactly..

It's really discouraging how many people don't get that, or refuse to admit that they do (which I think is more likely).

[kctim]

15. Just to clear it up

the "No" voters are the ones who want government mandating they purchase something and the "Yes" voters are the ones who do not want government mandating what they purchase.

[Dark Knight]

26. It would have been really bad for obama however

Republican lawmakers originally wanted to place the measure on Missouri's November ballot in the form of a state constitutional amendment. But to avoid a Democratic filibuster in the state Senate, they agreed to scale it back to a proposed law and place it on the primary ballot.

Democrats in the state legislature actually colluded to make sure it was on the ballot today so that they wouldn’t have to risk an even more embarrassing result in November.