Why is that Islamic Center called the Cordoba House ?

[JI7]

<The $100 million Cordoba House takes its name from the medieval Spanish city where Muslims, Jews and Christians lived in peace for 800 years. The developers promise to act in that spirit by bringing people together in peace, healing and collaboration at a center that would include a 500-seat auditorium, art exhibition space, a swimming pool and retail space. It would also include a mosque. This sparked vocal opposition not only in New York but throughout the country. >


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/03/AR2010080305390.html

wouldn't it be more accurate to refer to it as the Cordoba House rather than Mosque ? they showed some morans on tv saying how it's going to bring shariah and some other stupid shit. since when does SHariah Law allow for swimming pools ?

also most people who oppose this are the ones who tend to support things that shariah supports like denying women and gay rights. they may not call it shariah but still supporting the same things.

[WillParkinson]

1. You talk funny!

Everyone knows that the Muslims are secretly using this base to filter Al-Queda through the US. It's a travesty dammit, a travesty!

:sarcasm:

(Kick & Rec!)

[SoCalDem]

7. and to indoctrinate the mooslim islamist babies to be in sleeper cells in 20 years

That's why they are trained to sleep in cribs..:rofl:

[Hugabear]

9. One DUer did say that Bin Laden would be happy to see this

Amazing aint it?

[pinboy3niner]

2. Good point

"also most people who oppose this are the ones who tend to support things that shariah supports like denying women and gay rights. they may not call it shariah but still supporting the same things."

Sounds like Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich would be very comfortable with some aspects of sharia law.

Because the Cordoba House will include a prayer hall, it's not entirely off-base to refer to a mosque. But that's not the issue. The entire building could be planned as a major mosque--with minarets, even--and its leaders would still have the right to build it.

Whether or not it's a mosque, the issue is one of religious freedom that is protected by the Constitution, and discrimination, which is not protected.

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[Traveling_Home]

4. Cultural Sensitivity is to come FROM New Yorkers, not to be FOR New Yorkers nt

[Hugabear]

5. Once again, how far away does it have to be for it to be acceptable to you?

Obviously, two blocks is too close. How about three blocks? Ten blocks? A mile?

You keep bringing up the fact that the business that used to be there was destroyed during 9-11. So does that mean that NOBODY can build on that land? Or just not Muslims?

[dkf]

11. The building was unusable for business because it got hit in the attack.

Bin Laden caused it's availability. Like I said, turning Bin Laden's destruction into a mosque is his life's goal.

[mmonk]

20. Are New York Muslims New Yorkers?

Did they want their city attacked? Don't let hate blind you towards your neighbor.

[Hugabear]

21. You using Bin Laden as justification for opposing the Cordoba House says volumes about you

And once again, it is NOT a mosque. But thanks for insisting on repeating the right-wing talking points.

[Arctic Dave]

6. Waaaaaaaaaaa!

Are you really a new yorker? I didn't realize 911 left the entire city a gaggle of quivering weenies.

Hahahahaha. Sissies.

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[Vickers]

8. Because of the Corinthian leather. n/t

[flying rabbit]

12. Rich, Corinthian leather.

Beat me to it.

[CTyankee]

16. "Lee Iacocco's dream..."

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

22. Yes.

:thumbsup:

[dipsydoodle]

13. Sounds quite appropriate

Why on earth anyone persists in refering to the building as a Mosque, just because it includes one , completely defeats me. As far as I'm aware the White House has its own chapel - does that make it a Church ?

[babylonsister]

14. more info...

and fyi, a winger said this...


This seems like such an obvious point, but it is apparently not obvious to the many people who oppose the Cordoba Initiative's planned mosque in lower Manhattan, so let me state it as clearly as possible: The Cordoba Initiative, which is headed by an imam named Feisal Abdul Rauf, is an enemy of al Qaeda, no less than Rudolph Giuliani and the Anti-Defamation League are enemies of al Qaeda. Bin Laden would sooner dispatch a truck bomb to destroy the Cordoba Initiative's proposed community center than he would attack the ADL, for the simple reason that Osama's most dire enemies are Muslims. This is quantitatively true, of course -- al Qaeda and its ideological affiliates have murdered thousands of Muslims -- but it is ideologically true as well: al Qaeda's goal is the purification of Islam (that is to say, its extreme understanding of Islam) and apostates pose more of a threat to Bin Laden's understanding of Islam than do infidels.

I know Feisal Abdul Rauf; I've spoken with him at a public discussion at the 96th street mosque in New York about interfaith cooperation. He represents what Bin Laden fears most: a Muslim who believes that it is possible to remain true to the values of Islam and, at the same time, to be a loyal citizen of a Western, non-Muslim country. Bin Laden wants a clash of civilizations; the opponents of this mosque project are giving him what he wants.

more...

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_08/025023.php

[hootinholler]

15. Thanks for that article.

I wonder how many YMCAs have a chapel?

-Hoot

[Tommy_Carcetti]

19. I lifeguarded at a YMCA, and they had churches come and do their baptisms in the pool.

Which I thought was kind of cool.

[uppityperson]

17. On the other hand, educating people what a mosque is or what that term means is good.

I have learned a lot this last week about what a Mosque is and isn't. It isn't a building with a minaret, though it can be. It isn't "just" a place of worship, though it can be. I would like to find out more so as to be able to educate others about that "scary word mosque".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8858865&mesg_id=8861643
Igel

In English, the word mosque has traditionally been used for any Muslim place of public worship. It really just requires some consistency and four walls. Or at least 3. Not sure about the roof.

"Mosque" is the English equivalent of a variety of things that Muslims call by different names. You can call something a masgid (or masjid) or a musallah or a husseyniyyah or a imambargah (the last two the same, IIRC). Or you can call them all "mosques," as long as the distinction is of no relevance.

"Mosque" is not an Arabic word. The imam where I used to live routinely called his "prayer hall" a mosque. The English word covered both "prayer hall" and "masjid" perfectly fine. If the distinction was important, he'd make the distinction. Otherwise, he was more interested in communication, both being understood and understanding. This is not a trivial point. In fact, it's the crux of the claim.

This particular quibble is being used to merely shut people up, to stifle debate and denigrate those who might say something that injures the ever so delicate sensibilities of others.

If you feel better, think of the use of "mosque" in this debate as a form of metonymy. The Islamic Center will contain a mosque so we can call it a mosque. If not, still consider this: In building the Islamic Center they want to build a mosque. This particular mosque won't meet all the requirements for any of the Sunni 4 fiqhs, therefore this mosque will be a musallah. But it will still be built, or at least built out.

Unless, of course, the claim is that the Islamic Center will not contain anything that is called a "mosque" in standard English (not a particular jargon of English)

Purple is WTC complex, mosque site red square.


Masjid Manhattan has been in the area already (20 Warren St, Ny, NY), looks like about one block away http://www.masjidmanhattan.com/Default.aspx

[spanone]

18. newt gingrich knows it's called the cordoba house, but mosque is so much scarier.

[Toucano]

23. It's Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf they object to most.

From 60 minutes interview:

BRADLEY: Are — are — are you in any way suggesting that we in the United States deserved what happened?

Imam ABDUL RAUF: I wouldn’t say that the United States deserved what happened, but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.

BRADLEY: OK. You say that we’re an accessory?

Imam ABDUL RAUF: Yes.

BRADLEY: How?

Imam ABDUL RAUF: Because we have been an accessory to a lot of — of innocent lives dying in the world. In fact, it — in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA.

The truth hurts and makes 9/11 fireman heroes cry.