This Is GOOD NEWS!!! Can You Handle It?

[Beetwasher]

State aid, teacher funding cloture vote passes

With the votes of Snowe, Collins, and Ben Nelson, the Senate finally managed to get cloture on an education jobs and state Medicaid payments bill, clearing the way for final passage with a 61-38 vote. The aid won't actually be off to states yet as House will have to vote on it as well, but the major hurdle has been overcome to provide the critical assistance to states to prevent layoffs of hundreds of thousands of teachers and state workers. Reid's office provided this statement about the bill prior to this morning's vote.

"The CBO has concluded that our amendment to save 140,000 teachers’ jobs and tens of thousands of first responders’ jobs does more than just keep these selfless Americans from being laid off: it also will reduce the budget deficit by $1.4 billion over the next decade. Our plan to keep teachers in the classroom, police officers on the beat and firefighters on call is not only fully paid-for, but it also saves taxpayers money.

"This amendment meets every test Republicans claim to be concerned about. They have no more excuses, and tomorrow, they will have a choice: lay off teachers weeks before the new school year starts and fire the first responders who keep us safe, or help these workers keep their jobs and help our economy recover."

--snip--

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/8/4/890191/-State-aid,-teacher-funding-cloture-vote-passes

This will help. Alot.

The bad news is they had to agree to cuts to the food stamp program to get over the 60 vote hurdle, however those cuts wouldn't go into effect unitl 2014 so there will be plenty of time to restore that funding, which I do believe WILL happen.

[abelenkpe]

1. nice. :) nt

[Newest Reality]

2. Good news,

but why a food stamp cut, (regardless of how that pans out) as a compromise when we have, (last time I checked) around one in eight Americans using them?

People are hoping that less people will need food assistance in 2014 to ease the conscience, but I think they will become a more vital part of what is left of this economy, if anything is left then. Well, there is local gardening and food co-oping which will eventually kick in for survival after-the-fact.

Again, taxing the rich is out of the question, so far. That's not good news.

[hfojvt]

3. well that's a nice mess

my head just exploded


I should have known I could not handle it.

[Edweird]

4. Cutting food stamps is good news? They are robbing Peter to pay Paul.

[ericinne]

6. I guess it depends on what they mean by cut.

I'm not saying people abuse food stamps, but I do see some families who get more allocated food benefits then what my own personal food budget permits.

As an example, here in Nebraska, a family of 4 is allocated $668.00 a month in food stamps, or $167 a week.

My own personal food budget, for myself, my wife, and my 2 kids, counting eating out on occasion, is about $125 a week, or $500 a month. And we all eat decent... even cooking some nice steaks tonight.

Both my wife and I work, how is it someone who is not working can be allocated more money then what an average family is spending?

I'd favor some cuts in food stamps, but understand the guidelines and allotments are different from state to state. It's not the who qualify's part I have issue with, but the allotment amount.

[Edweird]

15. $167/wk for groceries is nothing. I eat around $100/wk by myself.

For a family of 4 that has to be nearly impossible. Spare me your welfare queen garbage.

[ericinne]

23. Welfare queen?

Where did I say ANYBODY was a welfare queen? Maybe YOU don't get that the allotment amount varies by state to state because of food prices. So, yes, I can absolutely see you personally spending $100 a week on yourself. I just feel if regular family's who work factory jobs like my wife and myself, have to live on a budget and get by, then others getting subsidized food should have a similar budget.

I never said anything what so ever about anybody abusing the system.

[Edweird]

28. You are complaining about how much people on food stamps get.

Spare me.

[Brickbat]

18. Gosh, maybe you should go on food stamps!

[ericinne]

84. I grew up on food stamps

I grew up on food stamps.

Back in the 80's it was just my mom and the 6 of us kids. Her food stamp allotment at that time was a measly $307 a month for a family of 7. We did alot of dumpster diving back in those days because it wasn't enough to last all month. Fast forward 25 years into the future, the allotments have changed to a point where people receiving them now get too much help. No, not EVERYBODY, but then that depends on your state. I just feel this needs to be re-examined.

[Spheric]

85. $167 a week for food for a family of four?

Those bastards are living the high life on my nickle. Damn them.

You have got to be kidding. Right?

[ericinne]

93. If my own personal budget is lower

If my own personal budget is lower & I can afford to eat well, then I'd say, to some degree, yes.

Why give a free pass on wasteful budgeting just because one qualifys for food stamps?

[ericinne]

94. $668 a month

$668 a month for food?

I ONLY WISH my food budget was that high.

[dogday]

87. How do you measure the hunger of an entire family?

Growing kids eat more food than the law allows. I know my 15 year old eats us out of house and home.


I don't think it is near enough. :thumbsdown:

[Brickbat]

132. As I say, go back on food stamps.

Sounds like it's a helluva deal you're passing up.

I fail to see why there's a problem that Family X gets more to spend on food than you do. I really, really don't see a problem. Walk me through it.

[bvar22]

37. Oh, that is sooo true,

AND, some of them drive Cadillacs!

[dogday]

76. And even own flatscreens!

Oh the horror of it all :thumbsdown:

[Beetwasher]

7. As I Said, Won't Go Into Effect Until 2014 And I Expect It Will Actually Never Go Into Effect

n/t

[Edweird]

16. Mmmhmm. BTW how's that loophole legislation coming?

[Beetwasher]

17. 2014 Is A Ways Off, The State Aid Is Need Now

It's intriguing that you have a problem with keeping teachers and firemen employed right now.

[Edweird]

20. Teachers and firefighters are essential - but the poor shouldn't foot the bill.

There are plenty of wealthy people dodging all sorts of taxes that could easily pay for this.

[Beetwasher]

22. They Won't Foot The Bill, The Cuts Won't Happen

I'd bet on it. You think they will happen, I think they won't. Anything else?

[Edweird]

24. They've already happened. It's in your post.

[Beetwasher]

25. Umm, No, They Didn't, They Are Not Scheduled To Go Into Effect Until 2014

Where does it say they have already happened? Cuts are scheduled, it doesn't mean they've been applied. You do know the difference, don't you?

[Edweird]

26. Dupe.

[Edweird]

27. That's right 2014. Why does that make it ok to take from the most vulnerable and neediest?

[Beetwasher]

29. Where Did I Say Or Even Imply That It's OK?

I did no such thing. That it happens in 2014 means it can (and IMO will) be restored. That doesn't mean I think it's ok to cut foodstamps. And just in case you are still confused as to the difference I will tell you flatly, it is not ok to cut food stamps, IMO.

[Edweird]

30. So you think they are passing a law they intend to counteract with another law.

Seriously?

Paying for one group of essential services on the backs of the poor is disgusting - especially considering how many tax breaks the wealthy get.

[Beetwasher]

31. Happens All The Time, Things Get Cut Then Get Restored Later

Before cuts go into effect.

In fact, the Alternative Minimum Tax legislation gets amended every year so the Middle Class doesn't get wholloped with it.

[Edweird]

33. Mmhmm.

[Beetwasher]

34. I Hear Billy Bob Thornton From "Sling Blade" When I See That Posted

Just sayin'.

Posts by Edweird! Now 100% content free!

[Edweird]

35. I do like those french fried 'taters.

I've gone Paleo/atkins so no 'taters for me.

The way this bill is being paid for is reprehensible.

[Beetwasher]

36. I Think It Was Clever Since It Has No Immediate Effect And The Funding Will (IMO) Be Restored

Before the cuts go into effect.

Man, I don't think I could live without 'taters.

[Spheric]

91. I don't think it's clever at all to fund this on the backs of the poor.

And I think you will find that many will not take kindly to the notion of screwing over the poor now with a promise (which, by the way, I have not seen made by anyone but you) that they'll be taken care of in the future.

But hey, don't stop trying.

[Beetwasher]

92. So Many People Unhappy That Firemen And Teachers Get To Keep Their Jobs

Amazing.

[Spheric]

Bullshit. Why do the poor have to pay for it ...

instead of those who can afford it and don't pay their fair share to begin with? Why is it exactly that you think the poor should pay for this?

[Beetwasher]

100. Why Do You Want Teachers And Firemen To Lose Their Jobs?

n/t

[Spheric]

105. Thanks. I get it now. The poor get fucked or teachers and firemen lose their jobs.

Can't touch that.

[Beetwasher]

108. Or Neither When The Funding Is Restored

Win win.

[Spheric]

115. Yes, I already understand your "we're fucking you now...

but we promise to make it better later" argument. But, judging by some of the other posts in this thread, forgive me for not believing you.

Ignore what I'm doing to you now. I promise. Yeh, right. I'm not some battered spouse.

The thing that is really irksome is that you are trying to get away with this without even having anyone in power actually make the promise. It's like candidate Obama on health care reform concerning mandates and the public option. He never really "promised" anything.

[Beetwasher]

116. Who's Getting Fucked Now?

The program is scheduled to be cut in four years. Won't happen then and no one is getting fucked now.

But please, go ahead and continue with your spewing! Get the poison out! Maybe it'll make you feel better.

[bvar22]

38. Oh Yes!

And Republicans will have more seats in Congress by 2014,
maybe even the White House,
and everybody knows they won't let the poor suffer.

Don't worry.
Be happy.
Trust us.
:party:

[Beetwasher]

39. The Funding Will Be Restored Before Then, Bank On It

And the cuts have absolutely ZERO negative effect right now and positively get money to the states NOW, when it's crucially needed.

But please do continue with your obnoxious, contentless sniping!

[bvar22]

41. "We'll fix it later!"

Excuse me, but I'm running low on TRUST for the "We'll fix it later" crowd,
especially when Republicans WILL have MORE power in 2014 than they have now.

A lot is going to be happening in 2014.
Isn't that when the Health Insurance Corporations will take delivery on 40 Million mandated customers?

[Beetwasher]

42. You're Entitled To Spew Your Obnoxious Opinion

Spew away!

"especially when Republicans WILL have MORE power in 2014 than they have now."

You state that as if it's a fact. Thank you Nostradamus for the gift of your foreknowledge! Although, I must say, my crystal ball says yours is wrong. What now?

[bvar22]

43. Do you really expect the Democrats to GAIN seats?

You should get out more often,
and some personal advice,
stay away from the Real Estate and Bridge Markets.

I LOVE this one.
You said:
"Thank you Nostradamus for the gift of your foreknowledge! Although, I must say, my crystal ball says yours is wrong. What now?"

Well, NOW we go to the Political Experts, the Polls, History, and every member of the Democratic Party that has spoken in public about the coming elections. They ALL agree there will be losses. They only disagree on how BAD those losses will be.

If the Democratic Party can't Fix It Now,
they WILL be less able to Fix It Later.

"Trust Us.
We'll fix it later."
LOL

[Beetwasher]

45. I'm Pretty Sure The Funding Will Be Restored

You don't think so. Got it. Now what? Now, you will continue to hurl your obnoxious doom and gloom negativity and I will start to mock you mercilessly. Carry on.

[backscatter712]

5. OMG! GOOD NEWS!!! PEOPLE'S HEADS ARE GONNA EXPLODE!!! n/t

[LWolf]

8. Lay-offs have already happened.

States, and school districts, have budgets to submit based on projected revenues for the coming fiscal year, which began July 1st. That required districts to budget based on known revenues well before now. When the new numbers filter down, they will begin to call some of those laid-off employees back. Doing so just a few weeks before the year begins will be a circus. Better a circus than a drought, of course.

My district didn't lay anyone off this year. We did that LAST year, and many of those are still swelling the ranks of substitutes, waiting to be rehired. This year, we drastically cut everyone's pay, and cut work and school days AGAIN. As new money comes in, it will be used first to restore school and work days, and then, if there's any left, to partially restore some of the pay cuts.

We have no idea what our first paycheck for this fiscal year will look like; we get it on October 1st. It depends on the rate of pay and the number of days worked. I'm hoping for as much restoration as possible, since my mortgage is on the line. My personal budget was cut to the bone with pay and day cuts in the spring of '09. This round of cuts could prove to be the last financial straw.

[Beetwasher]

10. That's Unfortunate, But This Is Still Good News And Will Help The Situation

States can now plan their budgets with confidence that the funding will be there.

[LWolf]

11. It is great news, and it will help.

It's just a misconception to think that states and districts haven't already planned their budgets and taken action.

Personally, I'm thrilled. Every job saved is important, to the worker and to the districts, schools, and students.

[Beetwasher]

12. Nothing Could Be Planned Properly Until This Is Finalized

Many state budget processes have been in dissarray because of this uncertainty.

[LWolf]

19. Yes.

Budgets still had to be submitted, even when we hoped they were not complete. My association voted for all those days cut, and the salary cuts, which are two different kinds of paycuts, grimly hoping some extra funding would come from somewhere over the summer, because we didn't want to see anyone else RIF'd after the 50 we lost last year.

Now we get to re-do everything at the last minute. Disarray is right.

A few weeks before school starts is better than after, though. I'm grateful.

[Beetwasher]

21. Yup, I'm With You, It's A Pain In The Ass, But A Sort Of Welcome One!

In my view anyway!

[maryf]

133. My district went into their fund balance along with lay offs

and the district said, at the time of the budget proposal, that any funds they receive will go to restore the fund balance, not the lost positions...

[rucky]

9. After all the school levies that failed in Ohio yesterday.

This is much needed.

[UTUSN]

13. Sad that NELSON has to be categorized as "helping" instead of being a sure thing n/t

[grantcart]

32. Sad that following "NELSON" that the word 'sad' is almost always to be found in the same sentence.

[Scurrilous]

14. K & R

:thumbsup:

[LatteLibertine]

40. Good news

and it always amuses me how we can put endless wars on the US credit card and not food stamps or unemployment benefits.

Take the money you're wasting on imperialism and war profiteering and use that elsewhere. Besides what I've already named we could use some god damn infrastructure repair.

BTW food stamps directly stimulate the economy you Washington knuckleheads!

[bvar22]

44. Don't Worry!

They will "Fix it Later!"

[Beetwasher]

46. See Everyone! Bvar22 Thinks Funding Is NEVER Restored EVER!! These Thing NEVER EVER EVER Happen!!

Nope. Not ever. Because Bvar22 says so!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/obama-restores-funding

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/23/obama.abortion/index.html

http://cbs2chicago.com/politics/preschool.funding.cuts.2.1103502.html?detectflash=false

http://green.autoblog.com/2009/10/16/congress-restores-hydrogen-funding-with-187-million-in-appropri/

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Congress+restores+Medicare+funding-a070389814

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/congress_restores_d.c._abortion_funding/

[bvar22]

47. You really aren't helping yourself or your argument.

Please provide links to support your statement:

DU member Beetwasher has stated:

"Bvar22 Thinks Funding Is NEVER Restored EVER!! These Thing NEVER EVER EVER Happen!!
Nope. Not ever. Because Bvar22 says so!"

If you can't provide the links, it is a public admission that you are engaging in distortion and personal attacks.

[Beetwasher]

48. LOL! I See You Didn't Read All The Links In My Post!!!

:rofl:

[bvar22]

49. Thanks for posting a good example of "The Strawman Fallacy"

I NEVER stated that "Funding Is NEVER Restored".

Please provide links to support your statement:

DU member Beetwasher has stated:

"Bvar22 Thinks Funding Is NEVER Restored EVER!! These Thing NEVER EVER EVER Happen!!
Nope. Not ever. Because Bvar22 says so!"

If you can't provide the links, it is a public admission that you are engaging in distortion and personal attacks.

[Beetwasher]

50. Well, If You Don't Believe Funding Is Never Restored, Then You Admit It's Possible It Will Be

So you admit that it can in fact be "fixed later". Cool! Got it! So you weren't actually being facetious. You were seriously saying "Don't worry! We will fix it later". Good to know that you do in fact have faith in our Democratic Congress and our Democratic President. Carry on!

[bvar22]

51. Links Please:

Please provide links to support your statement:

DU member Beetwasher has stated:

"Bvar22 Thinks Funding Is NEVER Restored EVER!! These Thing NEVER EVER EVER Happen!!
Nope. Not ever. Because Bvar22 says so!"

If you can't provide the links, it is a public admission that you are engaging in distortion and personal attacks.

[Beetwasher]

54. No Need, I Now Realize That You Agree With Me!

And I misread your comment as facetious when you were actually serious!

Don't Worry!
They will "Fix it Later!"

Glad to know you have faith in our Democratic Congress and President to restore this funding! Carry on!

[bvar22]

56. Links Please:

Please provide links to support your statement:

DU member Beetwasher has stated:

"Bvar22 Thinks Funding Is NEVER Restored EVER!! These Thing NEVER EVER EVER Happen!!
Nope. Not ever. Because Bvar22 says so!"

If you can't provide the links, it is a public admission that you are engaging in distortion and personal attacks.

[Beetwasher]

57. You're So Polite

I like that about you. You always say please. :hug:

And I like your support and faith in our Democratic President and Congress. It's so nice and refreshing.

[bvar22]

86. You should try it.

It is more effective than serial Logical Fallacies, willful distortions, name calling, personal attacks, and hyperbolic invective.
.
.
.
I mean, who are you really trying to convince?

[Beetwasher]

89. Without Those, Your Posts Would Be Empty

So apparently you think they serve some purpose.

[bvar22]

104. I know you are, but what am I.....

How Cute!
The child's version of the Tu Quoque Logical Fallacy.

[Beetwasher]

109. Really? You Think I'm Cute?

I'm flattered. Thanks! :hug:

[Spheric]

96. I see you are backing down.

Now, it's we are fucking you today, but we might just help you out tomorrow. It's at least possible.

Hard sell, but have at it. I'm not buying it.

[Beetwasher]

99. Backed Down? I Admitted Misreading His Support For The Dem Congress As Facetiousness

No one is asking you to buy anything, but at least you admit it's possible. That's progress.

I'll take the trade off of jobs for teachers and firmen today vs. possible program cuts in 4 years that will probably never happen.

You? You can bask in the warm comfort of your cynicism.

[RainDog]

52. One reason we have taxes is to pay for those who keep our nation functioning

If Repubicans don't care about this - why in the fuck are they in politics?

[EFerrari]

53. I thought those food stamp cuts were a false rumor. Oops. n/t

[Beetwasher]

58. Some People Can't Handle Good News

Sad really.

Did I say they were a false rumor? Not sure of your point except to be obnoxious, but you're entitled. Carry on!

[saracat]

59. Many did. They said David obey was lying or misinformed. Guess he wasn't.

[Beetwasher]

61. "Many" Apparently Can't Handle This Good News

And would prefer to change the subject.

Me? I'm happy the states are going to get the funding they need and teachers and firemen will now be able to keep their jobs.

[saracat]

64. I don't trust ANY education funding being distrubuted by Arne Duncan

That F***er has already earmarked it for his f***ing charter schools. Sorry , less than enthusiastic about this. I am happy about the fire and police but it won't happen till 2014.

[Beetwasher]

66. Umm, Fire, Police And Teachers Keep Their Jobs Today Because Of This, That's A Fact

Yes, yes, we are all aware of your cynical defeatism. Please, regale us some more about the evil incarnate that is Arne Duncan. I wait with baited breath for your vapid, cynical off-topic spew.

[saracat]

67. Please check the journals of some of our better informed folks on this issue,

The fact is , few teachers approve of anything Arne Duncan is doing. His destruction of the Chicago school system is legendary. Educate yourself.

[Beetwasher]

69. No. Anything Of Value To Add That's On Topic?

But thank you for saying "please" :hug:

[saracat]

73. Yeah, I do. Here is a link to what is really going on with this. Add to it that rather than

touch his "discretionary funds" which are slated for charter schools and such, Duncan instigated the money be taken for elsewhere. Food Stamps was suggested. Nice. Hungry children always learn so well!:sarcasm:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/6481

[Beetwasher]

74. A Link To A Cynical DU'ers Journal Is Not A Link To "What's Really Going On"

What's really going on is this funding was passed, firemen and teachers get to keep their jobs and for some reason that sticks in your craw. :rofl:

[saracat]

77. That" cynical DUer," is a Teacher. Enuf said.

[Beetwasher]

79. Well, Then They MUST Have The TWOOF!

Because as we all know, no teachers are ever wrong about anything. Or cynical. There all magically wonderful people who know everything. :rofl:

[saracat]

80. No that appellation actually is more appropriate to certain others

who actually believe in politicians.

[Beetwasher]

82. I Believe In Love, Baby

I support (some) politicians.

[Forkboy]

88. It's only a change of subject to those not on them.

[Beetwasher]

90. Another Person With Nothing Except Obnxious Cynicism

Who'd have figured there's be so many.

[Forkboy]

97. That you consider that obnoxious says more about you than my comment did about me.

I care about those who go hungry. You don't. Who'd have figured there would be so many?

[Beetwasher]

101. You Don't Care About Teachers And Firemen?

My my.

[Forkboy]

103. How hungry are they?

We know that if they're starving that you wouldn't care.

My my.

I got all night, dude, how long you up for this game? :hi:

[Beetwasher]

106. If Your House Is On Fire I'm Sure You'll Care About Firemen's Jobs

:hug:

[Forkboy]

107. And if you're starving I'm sure you'd care about food stamps.

Again, I got all night.

Thanks for the hug.

[Beetwasher]

110. I'm Starving For Your Love, Baby

Got "love stamps"? I'm now accepting. *growl*

[Forkboy]

111. Sorry, they were cut. Can't afford you anymore.

[Beetwasher]

112. For You, I Would Barter

You've got me all worked up now! Our love cannot be denied. :loveya:

[Forkboy]

117. For me you'd have to.

[Beetwasher]

119. Honey YOU Waned the "All Nighter"

Those aint cheap. Tell you what, You Shave yr back and well consider my svcs an in kind distribution.

[Name removed]

122. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Beetwasher]

125. Kinky! Awesome!

[Forkboy]

129. You actually alerted on that?

my my.

:rofl:

[Beetwasher]

130. Not Me, I Love It!

[EFerrari]

98. madfloridian was kicked around two different forums with that charge.

But I expect the people who did that to apologize to her directly.

And I can handle good news just fine, thanks. :)

[Beetwasher]

102. I Don't Know Who That Is And I Don't Really Care

Glad you like this good news!

[DCBob]

55. Nelson even!!! Holy crap!! Is that a first? First vote with the Dems this year?

He probably made a mistake... pushed the wrong button.

[Marr]

60. They're cutting food stamps to pay for it, and you call that good news.

Before you give me that line about it not going into effect until 2014, and everything be magically fixed before then, consider:

Just the other day you made a very similar post, where you were extolling the virtues of HCR based not on what has been written into law, but on what you *expect to be* written into law.

Now you're saying food stamp cuts, which have already been decided on, are no big deal because you're sure they don't actually mean it.

Can you see how bizarre this is?

[Beetwasher]

62. This Type Of Funding Cut Is Reversed All The Time, Nothing Bizzarre About That

And 2014 is a long way away. There is no immediate negative effects and I'm pretty sure there never will be as it will be restored.

The fact that firemen and teachers will keep their jobs is good news despite your obnoxious opinion otherwise.

You think it won't be restored. I think it will. Now what?

[Marr]

63. Again, here is the difference.

I am talking about reality as of today, right now. You are talking about what you imagine will happen someday.

This is reality vs. imagination-- not two equally valid, differing opinions.

[Beetwasher]

65. Umm, No You're Not, You're Talking About 2014 When The Cuts Would Go Into Effect

Reality TODAY is firemen and teachers keep their jobs. Those cuts will be restored before 2014, IMO. Your despondent cynicims impels you to believe they won't.

[saracat]

68. You expect us to "trust" with no reason for it.

[Beetwasher]

70. I Don't Expect Anything From You, I Don't Know You, Nor Do I Care To

I'm merely posting good news which some people feel the need to piss on. That's cool! Piss away!

[saracat]

71. Am I supposed to be offended? I'm not. I would be more offended if the

teachers unions dissed me.But I am on their side. And I really don't think celebrating the cutting of food stamps at any time ,for any reason, is appropriate behavior for a liberal or a democrat. Apparently David Obey also had a problem with this. And if Ben Nelson supports this , you KNOW it likely isn't really good. Just saying.

[Beetwasher]

72. If You're On The Side Of Teachers Unions, You Should Be Celebrating Saving Teachers Jobs

And working to make sure the food stamp cuts never actually happen. Funny, I see no one "celebrating" the food stamp cuts. You do? Where?

Spewing cynicism is no substitute for working to elect more and better Democrats so these types of deals never have to be made in the first place.

[saracat]

75. Better democrats I can agree with . merely electing "more" hasn't done a damn thing to help.

BTW, why on earth should I have to "work " to make sure democratic legislation "isn't" enforced? doesn't that even bother you a tad? This was a cut that NEVER should have taken place. And who really know where this money will actually go, unless you beleive this kind of money actually is applied the way it is stated? You apparently think it is only "cuts" we don't have to believe. But appropriations aren't to be "trusted" either. One thing is true. Ducan's money was untouched.

[Beetwasher]

78. As I Expected, Some People Just Can't Handle Good News

Your cynicism is quite frankly, predictably boring. But carry on, I suppose it serves some comfortable purpose for you. So go ahead, spew and continue to get the poison out. Maybe it'll make you feel better.

[saracat]

81. Not so I am celebrating the overturn of Prop 8 Now that is "Good News!"

:fistbump: :applause: :applause: :woohoo: :toast: :party:

[Beetwasher]

83. We Can Certainly Agree On That

:toast:

[DFW]

95. Ben Nelson voted for something GOOD??

What happened? Did he trip over the "D-" listed by his name, and get a sudden memory jog?

[girl gone mad]

113. So it looks like Obey was telling the truth after all.

K&R

I think some apologies are owed.

[Beetwasher]

114. You're Right, I Accept Your Apology!

That's big of you!

[Forkboy]

118. You deserve something, but it isn't an apology.

[Beetwasher]

121. Oh Yeah! Luv That Dirty Talk, Sugar Plum!

purrr

[Forkboy]

123. I bet you do.

BTW, the faux friendliness is always a sign that you're getting your rhetorical ass kicked.

Just thought you should now, as you're doing it all over this thread.

You can thank me later for the tip.

[Beetwasher]

124. I'm Never Satisfied With Just The Tip

[Forkboy]

126. So the story goes.

[Beetwasher]

127. Stop Teasing With Story Talk And Start Gettin Down Big Boy

growl

[Forkboy]

128. See post # 123.

:freak:

[Beetwasher]

131. Keep It Up, Sugar!

You're a kinky boy! Love it!

[EFerrari]

120. Yep. From a lot of people. nt