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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 05:23 PM
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Dog shot to death at dog park by Federal Officer before owner could leash
Edited on Wed Aug-04-10 05:43 PM by RamboLiberal
Bear-Bear, a brown and white Husky that's about three years old, was playing in the Quail Run dog park at about 6:30 p.m., running off leash inside the fenced-in area, when the officer and his wife arrived with a German Shepherd, who was kept on a leash. When the dogs began to play roughly — the federal officer asked Bear-Bear's guardian, his owner's brother, to call off the dog. But before he could do anything, the officer pulled out a gun and shot Bear-Bear.

Bear-Bear, who belongs to Rachel Rettaliala, died of his injuries a few hours later.

"I've been bawling my eyes out since 7 p.m. last night," Retalliala said. "It's grief mixed with anger. We're so angry this guy was able to take our animal for what we feel was no reason at all.

"We still don't believe that he's gone. We just want so badly to be diligent about this. (The officer) has to pay some sort of consequence for his foolishness."

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/pawprintpost/post/2010/08/dog-shot-to-death-at-dog-park/1#uslPageReturn

"He fired... and the impact sound and everything, I asked him later cause I went closer to to Bear Bear. I asked if that was a Taser. I looked back at him, "Was that a Taser?" He said, "No. That's 9 millimeter. I hit him in the rear. I don't see any blood. I think he's going to be okay," and just calm about it," said Stephen Kurinij, who was watching the dog for his sister and brother-in-law.

Later, Bear Bear’s owners, Ryan and Rachel Reitaliata, would learn the pistol-packing owner was a Department of Defense employee out of Fort Myer in Virginia.

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"At this time we are not aware of any other witnesses," said Anne Arundel County Police Chief James Teare, Sr.

But within five minutes of arriving at the dog park, we had found one.

"All I heard was like dogs going like, "Rrrrrrrrrr". When I turned around, I guess the dog owner, the cop, he didn't try to stop the dog. He just said, "Stop!" one time and then "Pow!"---shot the dog," said Steffon Nelson of Severn.

http://www.abc2news.com/dpp/news/region/anne_arundel_county_/32-year-old-federal-police-officer-shoots-and-kills-police-dog

Bear-Bear's person/dad, Ryan Rettaliata, sent Unleashed a note that he wanted all of the people speaking about his dog to see. Ryan and Rachel Rettaliata's Siberian Husky, Bear-Bear, pictured above, was shot Monday evening in a dog park near their house by a federal officer who had brought his own dog to the park, which sits in the middle of a Severn neighborhood. Bear-Bear died later that night.

My wife and I are greatful for everyones kind words. We will make the best attempts to make this right in our eyes. Bear Bear deservied the best.

As for the person involved he has not come forward and apologized at all. Not that i am sure that would help. However we do have his name and we are going to post it in the neighborhood on flyers so people know who to be on the look out for.

Animal control informed us there wasn't a scratch on the shepherd. So where was the threat? Why is our dog dead? Why can we not press charges? What type of officer is he and who does he work for. My wife and I have been getting stonewalled all day with his details.

He will pay for this.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/features/mutts/blog/2010/08/bearbears_dad_speaks_out_on_ki.html

Bear-Bear was a regular at the dog park in Quail Run, a community of townhomes. Neighbors say the park is generally an easygoing place where well-mannered dogs play with one another.

“I’ve never personally seen him be aggressive toward any dog or human or anything, for that matter,” Tarnna Hernandez, who lives two doors down from the Rettaliatas, told the Sun.

“I have not seen that dog hurt anyone. Or snarl. He’s never even barked,” she said. “His only way was to get out a gun out and shoot him? Uh-uh. It’s completely unbelievable.”

http://www.ohmidog.com/2010/08/04/family-demands-justice-for-bear-bear/

Anne Arundel County Executive John R. Leopold is calling on the county police department to investigate the shooting death of a Siberian Husky at a community dog park by a federal police officer, the Baltimore Sun reports..

Like many other citizens in our County, I have great concern regarding the shooting incident last night at the Quail Run dog park. It is concerning whenever a firearm is discharged at a public facility, let alone a facility that close to homes and children playing. All aspects of this incident merit a thorough and complete investigation.

We have wonderful resources for dog owners in Anne Arundel County. I want to ensure our citizens that these facilities are a safe and enjoyable place to let your dog exercise.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/local-breaking-news/maryland/aa-county-exec-investigate-dog.html

Tiffany Greco, who fostered the young Bear-Bear and placed him with the Rettaliala family, said the Husky had led a hard-knock life, starved and neglected, with mats in his long fur the size of softballs. But even though he was mistreated, she said he never became aggressive around people or dogs.

“He was a very lovey-dovey happy go lucky guy,” Greco said, adding that Bear-Bear at least had a little taste of a good life with the Rettaliatas. “All this dog wanted to do was curl up on top of you.”

She said that Huskies have a rough way of playing that, to people who don’t know them, can seem intimidating.

“They have a much different play style than other dogs,” she said. “They’re a rough and tumble breed. They’re mouthy. Often people interpret that as being aggressive when it’s really them just playing.”

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/features/mutts/blog/2010/08/cop_kills_bearbear_at_arundel.html





Give me a break that a German Shepherd couldn't hold his own against a Husky till Bear-Bear was leashed.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 05:31 PM
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1. It's not even hold his own -- dogs will play roughly
And it's still play.

If you're not prepared to be a dog owner
Then don't be one.

This guy was looking for a situation.

And now bear bear is dead for being a dog.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 06:00 PM
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6. And even if it is a fight unless your dog is getting injured seriously
or the dog turns on a human you try to break them up first before resorting to a weapon.

Dogs will be dogs and they can take an instant dislike to one another and start scrapping. If you're going to a dog park you better be ready to break up a fight. Sounds like this guy didn't give the owner's brother a chance to intervene before he pulled his 9mm.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 02:27 AM
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71. If there is any silver lining to be had here.. poor bear bear got shot before Officer Moron had
the opportunity to shoot a human being with his gun. Hopefully he will be fired and charged with something over this. I'm sure he will probably get off on a "self defense" argument but hopefully he will at least lose his job over it.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 05:32 PM
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2. Poor puppeh and his family. :^(
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 05:42 PM
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3. Dumb fucking pig.
If the only tool you have is a hammer, you will see every problem as a nail. ...
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 07:32 PM
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24. This is one of the few times in a 'cops gone amuck' thread that I completely
agree with your subject line - "Dumb fucking pig."
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mrs_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 05:53 PM
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4. truly, unfuckin believable
Edited on Wed Aug-04-10 05:56 PM by mrs_p
it's a dog park for christ's sake. a dog park! where dogs will be dogs. what the hell gives this "officer" the right. i truly can't believe this.

edit - if this happened to my dog, there is no telling what i would resort to, and i am not even a violent person. my dog is one of my kids and this officer basically got away with murder
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 05:57 PM
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5. 2 Radio interviews with Bear-Bear's Owners at bottom of this link
MORE: Baltimore radio station WBAL interviews Rachel Rettaliata, the owner of the dog, here and here. According to Rettaliata local animal control officials said neither animal had any scratch or bite marks.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/federal-cop-shoots-dog-at-a-d-c-dog-park

http://www.wbal.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/56017-Rettaliata1.mp3

http://www.wbal.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/56017-Rettaliata2.mp3
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 01:15 PM
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78. The officer was obviously a totally unstable egocentric psychopath
He should serve time and be stripped of his right to carry AND his job!
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 06:01 PM
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7. If I had been there, I have little doubt that ass would have shot me...
even though the dog was not mine, I would have gone after that ass like a swarm of hornets. I can only pray that this SOB is brought to justice and never is allowed to hold any kind of law enforcement office again. GUNS SHOULD NEVER BE BROUGHT TO A DOG PARK--NEVER.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 06:51 PM
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15. Not a gun issue. The man was LEO
and if he was not in uniform and not sounding off he would have drawn fire from a person fearing for their life. Very very stupid and dangerous act.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 07:22 PM
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17. I repeat...
GUNS HAVE NO PLACE IN A DOG PARK. Irrational people, stupid, scared people, abusive people are all too quick to turn to a gun.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 07:26 PM
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19. So you expect the police to disarm?
guns are there deal with it. Address the problem. This person, a federal officer, endangered others for no reason and probably broke the law. They also created a situation that could have ended their life of the life of another person.

repeat all you want but think in between the cycles.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 07:31 PM
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22. I addressed the police officer previously..
reading comprehension, my dear Pavulon--even if you disagree, it is important.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 07:36 PM
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26. So the part about the police being disarmed? you missed that part
care to address it. Again guns are done as a political topic. So the issue is what charges this officer should be subject to.

I dont give a fuck how a person earns a check. If they are not in uniform or acting in a police capacity and doing something stupid and lethal with a gun I reserve the right to stamp their ticket if the situation warrants.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 07:49 PM
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29. The officer was off duty... he should not have had a gun.
Edited on Wed Aug-04-10 07:49 PM by hlthe2b
Guns have NO place in a dog park. That's my opinion. I respect intelligent and ethical gun owners, but unfortunately, they are not the ones likely to come to a dog park and insanely pull a gun and shoot. And, yes, this low life LEO had no business having a law enforcement job, much less being authorized to carry a gun.

Dog owners at off leash parks are fully capable of policing their own. Sadly, that can not always be said for gun owners.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 07:54 PM
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32. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:04 PM
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46. That is absolutely unacceptable to compare my views to racist
DESPICABLE. Pavulon I can NOT believe you would do that. I am absolutely appalled at you. Just because we disagree on some aspects of legal gun ownership does not give you the right to suggest I would be racist. Are you proud of this? Really?!
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:11 PM
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50. Social issue. RIGHT. Upheld by 2 court cases.
so brown vs board reset rules, the supreme court has upheld firearm ownership as a right. You dont get to determine where and when. Now you can make this a gun control thread and get it banished. That would be dumb.

You could compare banning jews from your country club. Thats not a race, just a CHOICE. right?.

Once the supreme court upholds the right for gays to marry and have equal access you could parallel discrimination there.

Gun ownership is done, no political party will touch it.

Care to get back on topic of the stupid and illegal activity by a federal officer.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:34 PM
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57. I have debated civilly with you.
Edited on Wed Aug-04-10 08:36 PM by hlthe2b
That you did not is affirmed by the deletion of your previous post. Care to get back to debating in a socially acceptable way? Otherwise it will be you who gets this thread locked.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:42 PM
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60. Lets return to reality. Police officers carry off duty. They are subject
to the same laws as you and me. They are allowed to carry places us proles are not. With greater freedom to carry and act should come responsibility and accountability.

This persons behavior greatly increased their own risk of being shot by another police officer or by an armed citizen by escalating to deadly force when it was not warranted.

I would consider any further debate on firearm ownership on par with a debate on brown vs board or dred scot. Its settled law and moving in the correct direction.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:44 PM
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61. This Federal "officer" needs to be held responsible... and face
the most severe outcome possible for his blatantly illegal and immoral act. On that, I think you and I agree.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:47 PM
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63. 100 percent. He should be convicted of Felony animal cruelty
which would render him unemployable in any police role ever again. He should pay restitution and be civilly liable for the flagrantly stupid thing he did.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 07:59 PM
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38. I used to date a communication PR guy from a local PD
Because he was the "face" of the department, he carried a weapon 24/7 lest he was in (example) a convenience store buying a hot dog, it was robbed and he was recognized.

Conceal carry is common for PD.

IMO - Firing on a fucking DOG in a DOG RUN is lack of judgment to the extreme and reason for unemployment along with a revoke of a weapons license.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 06:14 AM
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75. Many LEOs are required to carry when off duty
in essence they are never "off duty".
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 07:48 PM
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28. It IS a gun issue
If someone has so little self control that he can't handle dogs romping/fighting in a fenced in DOG PARK that he resorts to SHOOTING one for NO FUCKING REASON then he has NO right in carrying a CCL loaded weapon.

Period.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 07:52 PM
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31. i agree totally.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 07:56 PM
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34. Police carry off duty. Nothing to do with concealed carry. However rules apply
those rules make drawing and firing a weapon around others in a dangerous and stupid manner a risk to your life.
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Kurska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:02 PM
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43. I am a huge supporter of guns rights and I agree, this man should not be carrying a gun
Edited on Wed Aug-04-10 08:02 PM by Kurska
or be a officer of the law. How long until he shoots a "wild" human because he mildly resisted.
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:04 PM
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47. +1,000,000,000
no words. Poor Bear-bear. What a fucking moron. The dogs were just being dogs. My 2 dogs are best friends. They rough and tumble play together. There is a distinct difference between play growl and real growl. Any dog-person knows the difference. And even with real-growl -- you separate the dogs. You don't kill them.

I hope he spends eternity frying in hell. :cry: :cry: :cry: And I hope the german shephard is taken away from him and given to a dog lover, not left in the hands of a dog killer.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 06:03 PM
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8. Arundel police open investigation into dog park shooting
On the heels of Anne Arundel County Executive John R. Leopold calling for an investigation into the death of Bear-Bear, county police issued a statement minutes ago saying that they were. Here is the statement from the department:

On August 2, 2010, at approximately 6:23 p.m., officers from the Western District responded to the Quail Run Community Dog Park located at the corner of Severn Tree Boulevard and New Disney Road in Severn for an animal complaint.

Upon arrival, officers observed a light-colored Husky dog (Bear) wounded on the ground. Officers spoke with a 32-year-old off-duty federal police officer, who advised that he and his wife were at the dog park with their leashed German Shepherd dog (Asia) when Bear approached and jumped on his dog.

The off-duty federal officer advised that he yelled for the male subject with Bear to come get his dog. According to the officer, Bear began to bite his dog. The off-duty federal officer stated he attempted to get Husky off his dog, but the Husky turned and attempted to bite him before biting his dog a second time. The off-duty officer stated that he feared for the safety of himself, his wife and their dog and subsequently shot the Huskie with a handgun he had in his possession.

Officers then spoke with the male subject who had the Husky at the park. He stated that Bear and the off-duty federal officer’s dog appeared to be playing with each other at the time and that his dog was friendly and never had any problems before at the park.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/features/mutts/blog/2010/08/arundel_police_open_investigat.html
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 06:31 PM
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12. Of course the pig will claim he feared for his safety and his wife's safety.
Pigs know how to lie in a report.

I've broken up several dog fights at the park and seen several dog fights broken up at the park. I've never seen a dog go after a human intervening.
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:15 PM
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52. They will
Any dog intent on fighting another dog will likely turn on anyone trying to intervene including their owner. That doesn't mean they will stop fighting the other dog and turn the attack on the intervening person, but it does mean they will likely bite at the intervening person while still attacking (or defending themself from) the other dog. This is normal dog behavior, so it is important to know how to break up a dog fight without getting hurt yourself... and you still might. The larger and stronger the dog the more difficult in physically taking them out of the fight. With both dogs being large breeds it's likely it would take two people to break up the fight.

I do believe that the dogs were fighting and not playing roughly. Strange dogs don't play roughly at first meeting. And playing roughly can instantly turn into a fight if one of the dogs decides the play is too rough. I can understand the off duty cop being upset that his leashed dog was set upon in such a way that it was either a fight or rough play that gave every appearance of a fight and wanting the owner of the aggressor dog to remove the dog from his own, but his manner in doing so was completely uncalled for and outrageous. Discharging a firearm in these conditions with other people and other dogs around is inexcusabley, and the one person who would know that absolutely is a cop.


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LibertyLover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:49 PM
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64. Siberian Huskies have a unique form of play.
They are what are called "primitive dogs" and on first meeting will push other dogs' buttons, so to speak. My husky to this day still tries to boss our greyhound bitch around in spite of 8 solid years of having his ears pinned back by her and our late greyhound male. He still thinks it's fun to poke her rear end. She fails to find amusement in it and rounds on him with a snarl. He then backs off. The first day he was in our house, he did that, had his tail handed to him by two unamused greyhounds and continued to push buttons every day. They are wonderful dogs and ours adores our 8 year old daughter with all his heart, and every other child who passes through. I honestly believe that Bear Bear and Asia were not fighting, nor did Animal Control find any marks on either dog to indicate they were. You are so correct that the officer in question handled the whole situation poorly. Hopefully the investigations that have been set in motion will give Bear Bear some justice.
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 01:32 AM
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68. no they don't
I have an Akita who wants to play the same way and had to be taught not to because such rough play can be dangerous to people and other dogs especially children. The larger the dog the more their rough playing can unintentionally hurt someone. Rough playing can also turn into a fight when one of the dogs decides the play is too rough. As dogs mature, these mock battles become more serious to establish their hiearchy in the pack. Though there is only one pack leader, the other dogs arrange themselves into a heirarchy of who is dominant over who and may always continue to test the other dogs in the pack to move his/her position higher in the heiracrchy.

All dogs may engage in rough play but some dogs are more likely to do it than others and that has little to do with their breed... depends on which dogs are naturally more submissive. More submissive dogs will allow themselves to be immediately dominated and therefore won't engage in the rough playing. The only time a normally submissive dog will engage in this aggressive behavior is with a dog that is not in their pack and they are therefore wary and more inclined to defend themselves. This is what makes me believe strongly that the two dogs in this story were not rough playing... they were strangers to each other.

Dogs have a natural way of greeting strange dogs and don't engage in rough play until the interloper is accepted into the pack. This is why proper socialization with other dogs is necessary... so that dogs learn from their human what they would normally be taught by their pack of dogs they grow up in how to properly meet and greet, whether or not to accept a strange dog and if there is acceptance how to encourage the new dog to engage in playing. In first time playing, the dog who really really wants to play with the new dog will not exhibit physical touching behavior but will bound off a few feet and come back to the new dog in a tail wagging playful manner, drop their chest to the ground in front of the new dog with their butt in the air tail wagging, run about in a tight circle coming back to the new dog, etc., etc.... all this is to show their excitement and desire to play with the new dog without being threatening to the new dog by any more physical contact than maybe a quick touching of noses.

Aggressively friendly behavior in meeting a strange dog is considered improper and threatening to the other dog who knows how to greet a stranger and accept them properly. Unfortunately, many people don't teach their dogs how to meet and greet in a non-threatening manner, and if the husky in this story rushed right up to this stranger dog and immediately and physically tried to engage the stranger dog in rough play this is improper and threatening behavior to the stranger dog, and the stranger dog will either try to get away from it or stand their ground and defend themselves. Proper greeting starts with a lot of mutual sniffing in which the dogs assess each other... if one or both of the dogs exhibits dominant behavior there will probably be a problem. And dominant behavior can be as small a jesture as one of the dogs raising their head above the level of the other dog while they remain still and watching each other. One dog putting their head overtop of the other is definite dominant behavior, and when that happens and the other dog doesn't immediately submit a fight is a split second away.

Huskies and Akitas along with other dog breeds are very similar in how they like to engage in rough play, are very mouthy, jumping, pushing, tumbling about... it's not unique to any specific breed but some breeds may be more inclined to engage in that type of play, and these type of large working dog breeds do tend to want to engage in that sort of play more than others. Not engaging in such rough play is probably the hardest thing I've had to teach my dog. He and I weigh the same, he has far more energy, he's far more quick than I, plus has teeth and claws and is far stonger than I am pound for pound. He's unintentionally hurt me many times in rough playing whether it's because one of his claws rakes my leg or he topples me over or his giant solid skull whips around and cracks into my elbow or whatever. Now all it takes is a glare from me to let him know he's starting to get too rough in his playing and he is immediately contrite and plays more calmly... or if he just can't contain his energy, runs about in circles frantically, chases his tail or wiggles around on his back kicking his legs in the air until he drains off enough energy to come back and play with me more calmly.

The bottom line is that no one nor their dog should have to submit to another dog's rough playing, and any dog that likes to engage in rough play immediately upon meeting a strange dog needs to be taught not to do it, and the owner needs to take whatever physical restraining steps necessary to keep them from doing it. It may very well be that the husky in this story was only attempting to play roughly with a strange dog, but that behavior is not acceptable, and any dog will see that behavior as threatening and likely so will the stranger dog's owner. It's immaterial whether or not the husky's intention was to play roughly with the strange dog or whether it attacked the strange dog... both behaviors are unacceptable and both will likely quickly turn into a fight since the stranger dog was restrained and couldn't run away. It's the manner that the owner of the stranger dog dealt with the situation that's absolutely ghastly and uncalled for. He had a right to be upset or angry that his dog was set upon either in rough play or fighting and wanting it stopped, but it's the way he went about it that is inexcusable and completely unnecessary. I get it that he didn't want his dog subjected to the bad behavior of the husky whatever that dog's intention was or what he thought the husky's intention was, but he had no business killing the dog and endangering everyone else and their dogs by discharging a firearm in a very public place. A cop willing to shoot in such a public setting for any reason has a serious screw loose regardless of what was occurring, and most certainly what was occurring in no way justified the shooting of a gun whether he killed the husky or just wounded it or missed entirely.

I was astounded that there was no immediate investigation for the simple fact that this cop (of ALL people to know better!) discharged his firearm in such a public area and did so without any legitimate reason (and I'm having a very hard time figuring out just what sort of legitimate reason there would be to do something so terribly dangerous). Thankfully, the backlash about the story prompted the investigation, but it's absurd that one wasn't set in motion as a matter of course.

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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 10:53 PM
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66. Oh I don't doubt that they COULD bite.
Believe me, I had that in mind when I broke up a fight between my Shar-Pei mix and a Shepherd a couple months ago at the dog park. I pulled the Shepherd off and grabbed my girl by the collar - Her break-away collar broke and sent me flying. I managed to get a hold of my girl with my left hand and keep the shepherd off with my right.

All this and I was sure I was going to get bitten but I managed to get out with my skin intact. I thought for sure I dislocated my shoulder in the fall. I must have been quite a sight - several people, including the shepherd owner, came running asking if I was alright. I said "she's fine" and they were like "NO! are YOU alright!!" I couldn't move my left arm at that point so I asked some people to pick up my phone and the dog's leash. My friend hooked her up and away we went. My girl now has a dueling scar over her right eye and my friend got to see me go to the mat for my pup. She used to tease me about how my dog is a "pampered north-side dog" but after she witnessed that fight she has a new found respect for my dog's ability to hold her own. My friend says she is amazed at how I put myself at risk and how much I must love that dog.

All that and I would never think to harm the other dog. Shit just happens. I had a bad feeling about the park that day and I was right. When we walked up I saw there was only a handful of larger dogs and they were playing pretty rough. I wouldn't have entered the gate but my friend was bugging me to go and guilting me to take my girl for a walk. As soon as we entered the shepherd was on her and it was on. I was a little pissed off because I keep my pup away from the gate until the new dogs gets acclimated. The gate seems to ne where fights often happen. I honestly can't say which dog started it if any. My girl doesn't usually snarl or bite but she doesn't back down - I guess that's the Shar-Pei in her. Some owners are just oblivious. I like to stay on my feet and within 20-30 feet tops so I can stop shit before it happens. I didn't have a chance this time.

I hope the other dog owners ostracize the cop who shot that dog. Plaster his mug over every dog park as a warning to other owners.
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 05:18 AM
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72. hooo boy, been there done that
I think just about anyone who really loves and wants to protect their dog will plunge into a dog fight without thinking not caring what may happen to them. I've had to do this myself a few times. Every time it was some dufus owner with their dog off leash that either decided it wanted to kill my dog or hadn't been trained how to properly meet and greet a strange dog and came barrelling at us with every intention of playing, but naturally my dog (and I) saw this behavior as a hostile act.

Generally, I'm more concerned what my dog will do to the aggressor since he's an Akita... big, fearless and fiercely protective of me and himself. He'd think nothing of attacking a bear, but it's cats and other little animals that scare the crap out of him and have him scurrying behind me wanting my protection. Still, even though he would likely have the upper hand in a fight, he's got vulnerable places like eyes, ears, nose, etc. and I'll be damned if I'm going to allow some other dog to cause him physical damage that might scar him or more seriously damage him.

This is why I don't take my dog to dog parks. There are just too many stupid owners unwilling to control their dogs and unwilling to plunge in and stop their dog leaving it to ME to stop their dog and protect mine. I'm lucky that me and my dog have lots of places to roam about and get lots of exercise without having to risk so much running into a stupid owner unable or unwilling to control their dog.

Ok, tell the truth... have you ever started at her head pulling back the loose skin till you get to the end with a furry skin blanket to wrap around yourself? LOL! Any time I see a Shar-Pei I have an irresistable urge to want to do that... all those glorious furry wrinkles!


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LibertyLover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:30 PM
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56. Uh huh, and so that's why Anne Arundel County Animal Control
couldn't find bite marks on either Bear Bear or Asia. I'm a local and owned by a husky. I posted an earlier thread on this story, but thank you for posting this update. I got busy at the office and couldn't follow up. This is truly a disturbing situation.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 06:04 PM
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9. If he did this to a dog playing, imagine what he could do to a person.
I hope they get everything he has. Destructive @sshole.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 07:34 PM
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25. ...Or has done, already.
What an dangerous, egomaniacal asshole this guy was. :grr:
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tinymontgomery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 06:07 PM
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10. I have a Tennessee Walker mixed
but 45 lbs. Will bark at me till I start chasing her around the house then wrestling her to the ground then chase here, wrestle etc , some times she so fast in the circle she jumps over the couch. She likes to play rough (she's ten) for about 20 min. then she dies and sleeps the rest of the night. She got loose one day in the neighborhood while we where gone. Found her in the neighbors garage with the local kids(small kids at the time) drinking water and loving all the attention the kids gave her.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 06:29 PM
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11. if the husky owner had brought a gun too, and shot that cop dead,
I wouldn't blame him one bit. He could claim self-defense from an imminent threat.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 06:49 PM
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14. Unless the man was in uniform
I would judge a person firing a gun at my dog as an imminent threat to my life. This combines dangerous levels of stupidity and poor training.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 07:58 PM
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37. Even in uniform. nt
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:03 PM
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45. Harder (impossible) to get no billed if he was in uniform.
I would make it my personal goal to use the legal system to take his job, home, and any future earnings. This is inexcusable behavior.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 06:41 PM
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13. Serious jail time is warranted.
A year minimum.
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 07:00 PM
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16. Unless there is an unimpeachable witness who will say the the dead dog actually
threatened the officer, then I think this gunslinger needs to spend some time in jail...
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27inCali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 07:26 PM
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18. Federal officer shot to death by angry dog owner...

too bad that isn't the headline.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 07:28 PM
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20. Not angry, person who feared for their life
firing a weapon in public when there is not an imminent threat of death is dangerous. I would be in fear for my life if a person out of uniform drew and fired a weapon, and they greatly increase their chance of being shot by doing so.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 07:30 PM
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21. There is no excuse for this
None.
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 07:31 PM
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23. Sickening. I hope the SOB's lady friend was duly impressed with his manliness.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 07:40 PM
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27. If that were me watching bear-bear, I would have been arrested for assault and battery
I don't pay for fake nails only for the high maintenance factor. I would have gone after the son-of-a-bitch's eyeballs along with the wife if she tried to help.

Likely would have been hurt by him/them more than he would have been by me, but hell hath no fury greater than my reaction if someone messes with my furbabies.

I hope they arrest the asshole on animal cruelty, he "picks up the soap" (well, hello princess!) and then finds himself jobless after his ~45 day max stint.

Even moreso, I wish I had not opened this thread. No fault of the OP for not warning in the title. Sometimes, for the old blood pressure, it is better not to know the details.

:grr: :grr: :grr:
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Kurska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 07:57 PM
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36. Assault and battery? Try murder, I will shoot the piece of shit that shoots my dog.
Fuck him seriously, he doesn't deserve a job.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:00 PM
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40. Not murder if you were in compliance with the laws
ie he did not identify himself, and was holding a gun after committing a crime. I would consider my life in immediate risk. I would also assume the person was not a police officer because an officer would not be that stupid. You would need a hell of a lawyer because the system would stack on his side. However, at least around here, killing a mans dog in front of him is a quick way to get shot.

And odds are he would not have been the only person carrying.
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Kurska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:07 PM
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48. Thats why I carry, COPS DON'T HAVE TO PROTECT YOU, infact they can turn a blind eye ignore you and
face no consequences.

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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:13 PM
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51. Agree. This is an outrageous case and is a disgrace
to every upright LEO this guy serves with. He should be charged and convicted of a felony and never work leo again. But he will probably skate.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:22 PM
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54. You keep mentioning "LEO" - I missed what that stands for.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:24 PM
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55. Law Enforcement Officer(nt)
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:37 PM
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58. He works for DoD - what "LEO" rights does that give him out of uniform?
Not snark - serious question. Why do DoD people have a right to CCL?
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:45 PM
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62. Federal Agents can carry in FAR more places than CCW
they can transport firearms on aircraft, in court, and pretty much every place civilians are barred. As for off duty DOD I have no idea. That could be anything from a guard at a building to CIA Clandestine Operations employee.

I know the three letter acronym people are pretty much free to carry anywhere any time.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:03 PM
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44. Physical attack - I don't own a gun.
Had I been there, my ideal outcome would have been to have his eyeballs skewered like martini olives.

I can't express how pissed I am about this.

:grr:
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Kurska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:10 PM
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49. You have every right to be pissed, you should be pissed.
Any half decent human being on the planet should be pissed as hell about this.

This is WRONG WRONG WRONG, and the fact he is probably going to get away with it makes my blood boil.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 01:13 PM
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77. I totally agree. He would have had to shoot me too
you screw with my furkids and you've screwed with my family! :grr:
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 07:51 PM
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30. in a way, this has ruined our night...this is so infuriating. and horrible.
we just laid in bed and read the stories and the comments on each. a little while ago they announced that there would be an investigation after all. that's something. i guess.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 07:56 PM
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33. I can't go to the links - I know as much as I care to about this. Can anyone tell me
if this asshat's name has been made public? Bonus points if you can list what dept of DoD he works for?

I think a letter writing campaign regarding his obvious instability and questionable judgment with regard to the use of lethal force while not oon duty is warranted.

Thanks in advance.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 07:57 PM
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35. I checked the links. His name hasn't been released, and he hasn't been charged
with anything. That thin blue line is working really well for him.
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Kurska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:00 PM
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39. He is just going to LIE LIE LIE about the dog being wild and attacking when in reality the dogs were
playing and him being the macho piece of shit he is tried to take "control" of the situation by shooting someones dog. The part about the dog trying to bite him is such massively fabrication it isn't even funny.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:01 PM
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41. Thanks for looking.
I am going to bookmark this and set up a google alert on the name of the dog's owners for updates.

This is the kind of thing I can really sink my teeth into.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:01 PM
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42. Subhuman pig scum. The only things pigs are good at is violence and lying about it afterwards. n/t
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:16 PM
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53. Recent events in my own life have caused me to come to the same conclusion.
Violent scum. Pure and simple.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 09:14 PM
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65. You got THAT right!!! Egomaniacs!!!
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LibertyLover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:39 PM
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59. Thank you for the follow up -
I'm a local and posted about this story earlier in the day on GD, but was not able to follow up until now. The officer in question is still hiding behind his badge and his name has not been released. However Anne Arundel County Animal Control announced that neither dog had any marks or bites on them. The officer apparently works at Ft. Myers and his supervisor down there has stated that an investigation will be carried out. Anne Arundel County as a result of much pressure has announced that they will be investigating the incident as well. I'm owned by a rescued husky and this story really hurts.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 01:40 AM
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69. Look, if I'm that supervisor at Ft. Myers, I gotta wonder if this
asshole is carrying at work....
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 01:40 AM
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70. Look, if I'm that supervisor at Ft. Myers, I gotta wonder if this
asshole is carrying at work....
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The Midway Rebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 12:08 AM
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67. Why do I read these stories?
So sad. Gotta go hug my two rescued hooskies to make me feel better.
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Bryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 05:19 AM
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73. I am going to post on facebook
Such a beautiful dog. Sad, sad! I have two big dogs that I love very much. While back I was reading up on dog training by an expert. He advised against taking your dog to dog parks because he said he had seen many bad things happened at dog parks so I don't take them there at all. My dogs love to play together and wrestle.

May Bear-Bear be happy at Rainbow Bridge, running & playing. May his parents be comforted.

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chrisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 06:06 AM
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74. I shot him with a 9mm. He should be fine! *facepalm*
Really, really stupid cop. Should be fired, not just because he killed the dog, but because he put everybody else in danger by firing rounds off in a dog park.

Why would he think the dog would be "fine" after getting shot by a bullet? Even in the leg, that would most likely kill a dog. Idiot cop.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 01:07 PM
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76. Another photo of beautiful Bear-bear
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 01:21 PM
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79. I have relatives in law enforcement who have to shoot dogs all the time.
Edited on Thu Aug-05-10 01:22 PM by cbdo2007
Literally they say it's something that happens a few times a week at least, so most LEO are desensitized to it so much that they think it's appropriate to just shoot anyone's dog for any reason I guess. But if they enter someone's home and they won't put the dog away, they have the right to just shoot them to get them to stop barking and leave them alone.

Hopefully this guy will get in some big trouble.

I can't take my dog to the dog park because she doesn't play well with others - people or other dogs. She's the sweetest dog in the world at home though, but can seem menacing off the leash in a dog park. :(
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