Any idea what 'victory' in Iraq is supposed to look like?

[Bhaisahab]

bush and cheney keep saying 'we're gonna win' in Iraq. But what will victory look like? Nobody seems to be clear about that. Does anybody even bother to ASK these assholes to define their concept of victory in Iraq?

[Nay]

1. "Victory" is the continuation of the shoveling of bushels of money

into the bank accounts of Bush's friends' corporations. Surely you didn't think it had anything to do with freedom, or security, or WMD? Or that it ever did? And why do you expect them to come clean about it now, even if we asked them? Although god knows they might as well tell the truth--the Bushtards would admire them for being the ruthless bastards they wish THEY could be.

[Ian David]

2. What Bush thinks "Victory" is supposed to look like:

http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGGL,GGGL:2006-17,GGGL:en&q=the%20rapture&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

[Heidi]

3. Yikes.

[Edweird]

4. Man, bush really attracts the whackos, huh?

[Heidi]

5. What do you mean by "whackos"?

Welcome to DU. :hi:

[Edweird]

7. There seems to be a bunch of

endtime apocalypse death cult types that love him and expect him to be responsible for the second coming. I consider those people to be whackos. I am assuming that was the mentality of the painting in your post.

[Heidi]

8. Not sure I'd call them whackos, but I sure do think their worst fears

(though many of them actually look forward to the rapture) are being exploited by this administration. :hi:

[Edweird]

10. Thank you for the welcome.

And I hope that I didn't offend you with my characterisation. It's just that people that advocate the destruction of our world to suit their vision anger me. If they want take tips from heaven's gate or something like that, well, that's their choice. But to advocate for the "destruction of Israel" in order to get the ball rolling is kinda unfair to those of us who want to stay.

[Heidi]

13. I absolutely agree. I don't believe in calling for the destruction of any nation or culture.

My point is that I believe that folks on the far fringes of many religions cling to irrational beliefs; I don't necessarily think they're crazy or whacko; I think their xenophobia makes them dangerous, though.

[vixengrl]

15. I can't go to work, I'm hypnotized by that picture--

I just picture the "angels" getting closer, and he leans down to the children, and says, very confidentially,

"They're actually flying monkeys and they eat children, but don't worry, they start with the heads. Should be painless. Really."

[Djinn]

6. That's an easy one

it's supposed to look like Saudi, or Uzbekistan or Iran under the Shah, or Indonesia under Suharto or frankly Iraq under Saddam pre Kuwait invasion.

It's supposed to look like any one of the innumerable nations kept under the rule of despots because it suits empirical aims.

It was not ever supposed to be a democracy. It was not ever supposed to give Iraqi people control of their country.

[Bhaisahab]

14. you mean to say

3000+ american kids have died not to spread freedom, but to construct a newer version of autocratic and crude saudi arabia? that can't be.

:sarcasm:

[Djinn]

18. I'm not all that concerned

about the 3000 dead Americans to tell the truth, it is obviously a tragedy for their families and loved ones and an utterly senseless waste of course, however the US has a volunteer army and has been involved in killing and repressing people for $$ for over 100 years. There has only been ONE defensive adventure taken by the US military in over 50 years. All others have been offensive (in every meaning of the word).

If you volunteer to join an offensive army to protect the fortunes of the already rich you have to accept that getting shot is part of the risk.

100,000 Iraqis have not been given that choice. They had no choice but to live under Saddam's boot whilst the US supported and armed him, they had no choice but to suffer and die under sanctions and they still have no choice.

[KG]

9. the neo-cons have no idea. they truly believed, in spite of warnings

to the contrary, that iraq would just roll over and submit. since that didn't happen, they had no back-up plan, and they are just stumbling around, waiting to hand that clusterfuck off on the next adminstration.

[Philosoraptor]

11. Like this:

[siligut]

17. In his dreams! eom

[Bright Eyes]

12. a starbucks and McDonalds on every corner

and of course when all the oil's gone

[La Lioness Priyanka]

16. we set up a govt there that can maintain some sort of peace internally

and they give us their oil for cheap.

thats the plan.

(likely this govt will cause massacres the same way saddam did. but since they will give us their oil we will pretend not to 'see' these massacres)

[EndElectoral]

19. We are in the throes of a Cheney victory. "Perpetual fear"

[133724]

20. Yes....

When our troop are home
And safely in bed
As Visions of Suger Plums
Dance through their head...