James Carville: "Oops. Obama was right. I was wrong. My bad."

[scheming daemons]

(paraphrasing in the OP title)

My mother, Ms. Nippy Carville, was a woman of many talents. Two in particular stand out. She was a superb cook (the author of a successful cookbook), and she was an excellent bridge player.

She always cautioned me that it was important that one "review the bidding" before the play. Now that it's becoming apparent that the efforts to cap the well at Deepwater Horizon are going to be successful, we should pause and pay homage to Ms. Nippy's advice by reviewing the bidding.

Any fair assessment would have to conclude that in spite of some people's criticism of the early response, (and by "some people" I mean Ms. Nippy's firstborn son James), one also must give credit to a much improved and vigorous response to the environmental catastrophe in the Gulf.
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(clip)
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I don't know many people -- and no Democrats -- who were as tough on the Obama administration as I was when the oil started gushing.

But for now I'll take Mississippi governor -- and chairman of the Republican Governors' Association -- Haley Barbour saying President Obama has "done more right than wrong." In fact, I'll up Gov. Barbour's bid one and say that as of late, President Obama has done a lot more right than wrong.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/08/05/carville.obama.bp/index.html?hpt=T2


In retrospect.... "cool, calm, and collected" has again been shown to be superior to "bang the podium and scream like a banshee" as a management personality.

[Arkana]

1. Gee, James, you think maybe you should have thought about it

rather than blowing your top and demanding to know why Obama wasn't doing likewise?

[scheming daemons]

2. LOL.... unrecced by a fan of Mr. Carville, no doubt

...

[sarge43]

3. Took care of that.

Here Jimmy a heaping dish of crow.

[dionysus]

36. those silly treebaggers

[rox63]

4. His mom's name was Nippy?

I know it's irrelevant, but :rofl:

[Beacool]

49. Nippy was her nickname.

Her real name was Lucille Norman.

;-)

[Yeahyeah]

90. Reminds me of my sainted aunt,

Miss Nobra Pointyblouse.

[lunatica]

5. "cool, calm, and collected" has again been shown to be superior...

"cool, calm, and collected" has again been shown to be superior

[JohnnyK]

98. Carville was right in the beginning....

Carville was right in the beginning. Obama was too detached and too trusting. Why the excessive use of dispersants? He let BP get away with murder and long range illness in many.

[alcibiades_mystery]

6. When half of DU actually thought that the humans would become extinct as a result

of the Deepwater Horizon gusher, there's not a lot of sense to be made listening to or trying to reason with them.

"It's the end of the wooooorrrllllddd!"

These people are fucking crazies.

[sabrina 1]

21. Did you forget the eleven 'humans' who did become

extinct along with the beautiful, lost wildlife as a result of the corruption of BP and government agencies who aided and abetted them?

How quickly we forget the value of those eleven lives, at least to their loved ones, when we have politics to think about.

Offshore drilling has to be defended somehow. There's just too much money in it.

It looks like BP's image is being 'restored' so they can go on doing what they do best, killing people and wildlife and the environments of many countries on this planet.

Soon, it will all be forgotten, the lives, the livlihoods and the wildlife.

But the families of the dead will not forget, and we can only hope that there will not be more deaths, as there have been from other disasters like this, AFTER all was declared to be just fine.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

25. 11 people does not equal 6 billion people.

Rationalize the hysteria all you want and the Obama bashing along with it, but it was not the end of the world. Abject tragedy? Absolutely. End of the world? No.

[sabrina 1]

38. It was the end of the world for them. And they are not the first

human beings to die because of BP's criminal negligence. Had BP been held criminally accountable for all the other deaths before these eleven, they would not have been so cavalier about the lives of their workers. Now it's beginning to look like they will get another slap on the wrist guaranteeing another disaster.

Of course people said this after the last one and got the same reaction I'm getting from you now. 'It wasn't the end of the world'. I think the families and friends of those who died feel differently about what the end of the world means. A part of THEIR world ended. But I know, we are supposed to be pragmatic about these things and make sure our favorite political parties whichever one we support, are not adversely affected by this trivial matter ...

And that's what's wrong with this country. The complete lack of respect for the lives of human beings.

No one I know said it was the end of the world. They said it was what it was and still is, one of the biggest ecological disasters ever killing marine and human life and if nothing else happens, what it did already was more than bad enough and needs to be thoroughly investigated.

But it will not be, any more than war crimes or corruption on Wall St. until one day the American people decide they have had enough.

[Frisbee]

76. And don't discount that...

a large part of the food chain has been contaminated (poisoned) for years if not decades to come, and we are all a part of that food chain. Could it have been worse? Absolutely, and I honestly expected it to be. But it also could have been prevented, and that is the tragedy of the whole thing, that it never needed to happen in the first place.

[ooglymoogly]

39. Throwing red herrings in the air to shoot down like skeets or beercans and rats at the dump

does not an intelligent post make. I do not know one DU'er who said that the world was coming to an end. What happened to the gulf was a catastrophe of biblical proportions, particularly to our oceans and still is; History will record this as one of the worst catastrophe's that has ever befallen this planet. Your post is either that of a child or a vapid fool.

[bvar22]

41. No , no.

You missed the reports on CNN.
The oil just went away.
Everything is now peachy.
Continue Consuming!

[dionysus]

46. there were most certainly an abundance of posts fixating on utter doomsday scenarios.

seabed collapse, tsunamis, entire food chain collapse. benzene clouds forcing the evacuation of millions... if you read here often you can't say you didn't notice them with a straight face.

[Statistical]

77. "I do not know one DU'er who said that the world was coming to an end."

Then you didn't look very hard.

Almost daily the doomsday scenario were repeated each one more outlandish than the previous one.
Mass extinction, death of all life in Gulf, death of all life in ocean, death of all life on planet due to death of all plankton.

[alcibiades_mystery]

26. Ay yay yay...

Yes, because I found the imbeciles who thought the gusher would end the human race on Earth to be ridiculous, I don't care at all about the workers who lost their lives as a result of greed and malfeasance. The logic is crystal fucking clear.

:sarcasm:

Do you ever get tired of such self-righteous bullshit?

[sabrina 1]

42. If you wanted to talk to 'the imbeciles who thought the gusher would

end the human race' what are you doing here? I have not seen anyone here make that claim. So it seems you were either engaging in some outrageous hyperbole, for what purpose I cannot imagine, or you are talking to the wrong people.

BP is a Corporation that is responsible for the deaths of many human beings, not just those they killed through greedy negligence in this disaster. They are also responsible for some of the worst human rights abuses in several countries not to mention for some of the worst environmental damage here and elsewhere.

They should be put out of business, in a sane world before they do any more harm to this planet and its inhabitants. But, here we are, about to give them yet another pass, just when those who have been observing their criminal activities for some time, thought maybe this time they had finally gone too far. But apparently not.

The reason they get away with their criminal behavior is because they operate in countries, like Colombia where the corrupt genocidal government protects them. Even kills for them.

So, what's going to happen now, do we treat them with the same deference that they have become accustomed to from third world dictatorships? Or do we start investigating them and prosecuting them for the immense harm they have done to this planet and its inhabitants?

As to your question, I think you meant 'do you ever get tired trying to help fight corrupt and brutal practices by governments like our own, ie, Iraq and Corporations like BP. The answer is 'Yes, very tired but that doesn't mean I will stop'. It would be less of a burden on those who think justice is something worth being 'righteous' about at least had some support from their own party.

Sorry if not being willing to forget the crimes of Global Corporations bothers you. You can always skip to the happy, fun stuff if it does.

[defendandprotect]

55. +1000% --

[bvar22]

43. Please post some links to the threads....

...where anyone claimed that "the gusher would end the human race on Earth."
I don't remember any of those, and you wouldn't be promoting a Strawman on DU,
would you?

I was delighted to learn that all that oil & dispersant just went away.
Next time I change my oil, I'm just going to dump the old oil in the nearest river, because it just goes away.

[roxiejules]

60. Spot on!

[RaleighNCDUer]

73. Show me ONE post where someone predicted the end of the human race -

much less the end of the world - as a result of this gusher.

Just ONE.

[Statistical]

79. OK.

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=536066&mesg_id=536086

" Death of the oceans... death of the humans....and eventually... cleansing of the earth. In a few billion years, none of what we've done here will matter."

Of course DU search capabilities are horrible otherwise I could likely find a dozen more.

[RaleighNCDUer]

81. I see that as a statement that the gusher is CONTRIBUTING to the death

of the oceans, not that it is causing it. You know, of course, that before the gusher there were huge dead zones in the gulf, caused by pollutants and pesticides de-oxygenating the water. That there is a concentration of plastics in the Pacific the size of Maine that is doing the same thing there. The Sargasso Sea in the Atlantic used to be a haven for marine life created by eddies in the ocean current - but now, instead of seaweed the prime feature is human trash, turning it into a death trap for sea turtles.

That is the death of the oceans. It is continuing, and expanding. And the gusher oil and dispersants are simply exacerbating the problem.

And the poster did NOT say THIS gusher will kill all the oceans - didn't even say that it would kill the gulf. Just that the death of the oceans IS the death of humanity, and most the rest of life on earth.

[snooper2]

83. This is how the end starts; "Capitalism has killed the planet"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4407174#4407335

[RaleighNCDUer]

93. See post #81 above.

OTOH, looking at some of your other examples, I am appalled that there are so many people willing to display their ignorance of geology, physics and ecology, and therefore I concede the point.

Take the government's worst case prognostication and double its predictions, and you might come close to the ultimate effects on the gulf - maybe. An all out localized ecological collapse is not out of the question. But no rational person will say this IS the end of humanity.

It is just one more step in our collective stairway to hell.

[snooper2]

84. "How the ultimate BP Gulf disaster could kill millions"

GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-18-10 06:10 PM
Response to Original message


4. Great. Instantly sunken ships. My cousins washed away by a tsunami. And an extremely potent
greenhouse gas released into the atmosphere.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8589167

tango-tee (1000+ posts) Sat Jun-19-10 12:35 AM
Response to Reply #12
17. I wouldn't call BS on this. I'm not a scientist.
But I think if the worst case scenario were to happen, it wouldn't matter which state would be hit first, and what the elevation is. It would be sheer, pure, unadulterated devastation.


IN a not free article from nature, such a release 55 million years ago...
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v423/n6941/full/42...

Global warming isn't a new phenomenon — sea-bed emissions of methane caused temperatures to soar in our geological past. But no one is sure what triggered the release. Quirin Schiermeier investigates.

About 55 million years ago, our planet emitted a spectacular burp. Trillions of tonnes of methane, until then safely locked up in soils and beneath the ocean floor, were released into the oceans and atmosphere.

Webster Green (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-18-10 06:57 PM
Response to Original message
11. Holy shit!
That's scary reading.

[snooper2]

85. oily rain! oil may be our earths BALLAST!

:rofl:

Unchecked (BP) oil flow would cause disaster ‘heretofore unseen by humanity’
The Hill
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4399515#4399615


defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Wed May-26-10 08:42 PM
Response to Original message
12. Trust Obama understands now that 1st they lied for a week and then they
pretended that they knew how to close this well for more than a month now!

Beyond the damage to ocean and life on it and in it -- this oil hanging around is

going to be picked up and turned into an oily rain somewhere!

The longer it is there, the more dangerous for all of us.


Further -- and I rarely hear males saying this -- OIL MAY BE OUR EARTH'S BALLAST!!

[snooper2]

86. "for preservation of species.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

KUCINICH: “What if the BP gusher in the Gulf is unstoppable?

“We should be preparing now for a worst case scenario. We should be mobilizing our nation now and developing new comprehensive plans for sustainable, alternative energy, for environmental protection, for public health, for preservation of species, for security, for rebuilding our economy and repairing commerce.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8590052

HowHasItComeToThis (1000+ posts) Sat Jun-19-10 02:11 PM
Original message
I FEAR THIS IS TRUE

madrchsod (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-18-10 08:47 PM
Response to Reply #19
24. if the doomsday methane explosion comes true
it will be for millions of people who live with in several hundred miles of the gulf......

[snooper2]

87. Breakfasting with a geotectonic researcher. Not good (BP well related)

If the earth collapses into the reserve most likely a HUGE (many millions of cubic meters) methane/benzene/natural gas bubble would rise to the surface. Great danger of exploding if coming onto contact with any fire. Like a massive Fuel/Air bomb producing extreme shock waves

Mika (1000+ posts) Sun Jun-20-10 10:12 AM
Response to Reply #2
5. If any part collapses the entire reserve could empty into the Gulf.
If that happens it will be the end of life in the Gulf, and it could be the end of the Atlantic.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x348736#348750

[alphafemale]

31. The perpetually panicked will be back.

Next flu season, smoky volcano or butterfly fart in Bangladesh will set them off again.

Some liberals seem to look forward to TEOTWAWKI much like fundies obsess over Rapture.

:hi:

[sabrina 1]

40. Maybe you should ask those whose loved ones died

not only in this disaster, but in others caused by BP if they think people should not 'panic' as you call it.

Let's just forgive and forget the criminally negligent corrupt practices of BP and move on, the way we in this country always do, from the deaths of one million Iraqis to the torture of innocents to the criminally negligent murder of mine workers and oil rig workers. Let's all by happy! :bounce: :applause: :bounce:

Let's not panic, let's just move on! This new talking point is interesting, spreading like wildfire across the inter tubes. BP doesn't hire those PR firms for nothing.

[alphafemale]

45. The idea that the world isn't ending resonates with people

It must be a conspiracy.

[sabrina 1]

52. And I asked but have yet to receive a response from the 'Yay!

we-just-burst-the-bubble-of-all-those-world-is-ending-conspiracy-theorists': "where are all those people?"

You need to come down to earth. There is only one person I know of who claimed this could end the world and his theory was pretty quickly debunked.

The facts are that huge damage has been done, people have died, others are injured, marine life has been destroyed, and we do not know for how long the damage will continue. We do know that decades after the much smaller disaster, the Exxon Valdez, the damage was still evident.

You can cheer for the rosy picture of BP if you like, that's your choice. I prefer to live in the real world. I will continue to work to get them put out of business and to put an end to Offshore drilling. Contrary to what we were told, it clearly is NOT safe. Throwing out of office anyone who supports or take money from BP will be a good place to start.

And when you find those end-of-earthers no one else knows about but you and one or two others here, point them out for the rest of us, and then you can put those BP talking points to some use I suppose. They are paying an awful lot of money for the PR. Me, I'm pretty immune to PR.

Haley Barbour is working hard for them also. The poor man has been apoplectic at how mean we have all been to his best buddies.

[Autonomy]

69. You almost seem annoyed they capped the well

I really didn't see anyone saying BP is off the hook

[sabrina 1]

96. You almost seem relieved that

the whole issue is going away now that they finally, after months of demonstrating that they put this country's national security interests in jeopardy by not having any plan to deal with an emergency like this and that this Government had none either. And after revealing because of the disaster, how corrupt this government is, once again. Oversight agencies working FOR BP, as Rating Agencies worked FOR Wall St.

I've been told that it's self righteous now to remember that 11 people died in this, the biggest environmental disaster ever in this country.

I'm very glad they finally figured out what they should have known before the began drilling so deep in the Ocean, but sorry, I'm not willing to consider dead workers to be simply 'collateral damage'. Ymmv ....

[ooglymoogly]

34. Yeah....no harm no foul...sher dooood.

The gulf will never be the same after this gutpunch to its fragile ecosystems, nor will it ever be cleaned up, contrary to the propaganda which apparently is working just fine on the not so bright and the silliest amongst us. We can never recover what we have lost from this catastrophe; But then what is a few vast dead zones to the brain dead.

[LTX]

80. Malicious hogwash.

"The gulf will never be the same after this gutpunch to its fragile ecosystems."

The Gulf will recover, just as it recovered after Ixtoc spill. Better than 3/4 of the Gulf was unaffected by the spill and remained open to commercial and recreational fishing during the course of the spill, and of the restricted area, the NOAA reopened 26,388 square miles of Gulf waters to commercial and recreational fishing on July 22.

Overblown statements like yours do nothing to assist with clean up, and do nothing to assist the Gulf cities that have been affected. The only thing such statements accomplish is to spread the utterly false innuendo that Gulf seafood is poison, and that nobody should go to the Gulf because it is an irretrievable wasteland.

If you just can't help yourself from spreading apocalyptic bullshit, then at least have the courtesy to direct it at another target. We on the Gulf coast have enough problems without recreational slander thrown into the mix.

"But then what is a few vast dead zones to the brain dead."

You are evidently referring to the Mississippi outlet hypoxic zone. That zone is a gift from agriculture up the Mississippi all the way to Minnesota. It is not a product of the oil spill. And if you want to be of help, instead of hindrance, how about railing against the agricultural practices up the Mississippi watershed that are responsible for the hypoxic condition. Then again, I suppose its just easier to keep pissing on the Gulf coast.

[Slit Skirt]

70. I can't believe you posted that

fucking crazies?

that was the worst man-made environmental disaster to date. The wild life is dead. The oil has been dispersed. The dispersant will travel in the currents. This poison will go global. We have no way of knowing long term effect because we are on in uncharted territory.

the people in the gulf who work there, who live there, who cleaned up that spill and got sick from dispersants and oil, and the families of the 11 people dead, do not think everything is fine

you are the crazy one if you think everything is fine.

and to post such a thing tells me more about you than you would probably like to admit to

[Kajsa]

94. +1

:thumbsup:

[bluestateguy]

89. There was similar hysteria about the H1N1 flu

nt

[louis-t]

7. Why is he quoting repug governors to make his point?

:shrug:

[Cant trust em]

9. Because it shows that even those who should be against Obama have given him credit. nt

[sabrina 1]

58. Wrong, Haley Barbour has been fighting for BP since the

beginning. He was outraged at how angry we all were at his Oily friends. The fact is, it is a very BAD sign for this country to see Haley Barbour now relaxed enough that he is willing to say nice things about this president.

It means he feels assured that the WH has gotten the message 'you do not mess with Big Global Corporations'. It means that the damage to BP will be minimized and business can proceed as they pick up where they left off. The report today caused BP's stocks to soar. The PR firms they hired have done well, for BP, for this country and the rest of the planet, not so much.

The PR firms will help do the rest, the media talking heads will play along as always, and before long, just as happened with the Mine Disaster, the sheep will move on to the next big story.

But they had a few bad weeks when it looked like maybe there would be some accountability this time. That seems like a lost hope now.

[monmouth]

8. I'm going to give Mr. Carville a couple of kudos here: First, having the

"cajones" to admit an error in jumping the gun re the Gulf spill and President Obama's response and secondly, really pi$$ing off and laughing at his wife during a recent interview. Go James, you're doing much, much better.

[RaleighNCDUer]

74. ...pissing off and laughing at his wife...

You know, they have to occasionally publicly pretend to be on opposite sides.

[monmouth]

97. Oh yeah, it's show biz at its finest....n/t

[DevonRex]

10. K&R. nt

[MidwestTransplant]

11. So will CNN play this mea culpa again and again like they did him slaming the Pres.? Didn't think

so

[DevonRex]

14. Maybe we should suggest it to CNN?

Yeah, I know. They wouldn't listen anyway.

[Hekate]

67. Couldn't hurt to try!

[hedgehog]

75. +1

[lillypaddle]

12. Glad that James

had the decency to say that. K&R

[tanyev]

13. How about the missus, James?

Does she agree with you on this? It was a cast of two in that dog and pony show you took on tour a couple weeks after the disaster.

[otohara]

27. Nippy Forgot To Tell Jimmy

to stay far, far away from Republican women.

[Spazito]

15. His admission is not unlike a non-apology apology...

when he uses phrases like this:

"...must give credit to a much improved and vigorous response to the environmental catastrophe in the Gulf." Innuendo being he (Carville) was right to go off the rails as he did (NOT!)

and then this gem:

"...and say that as of late, President Obama has done a lot more right than wrong." "as of late" again with the innuendo that President Obama wasn't doing much until the great Carville got on his ass which is crap, imo.

Seeing as it's Carville and his best 'work' was when he came up with (or so I heard it was him) with the phrase "It's the economy, stupid" this milquetoast acknowledgment is probably the best he can do.

Recommended because as pathetic as it is, imo, it IS an acknowledgment that the President was right.

[DevonRex]

16. Better than he'll get from a lot of folks here, that's for sure.

:hi:

[Spazito]

19. LOL and very true!

I recommended the OP for that very reason, any acknowledgment that the President knows what he's doing is well worth a rec!

[MilesColtrane]

17. Much like a good portion of folks here at DU,...

he'll find some other reason to go off on him soon enough.

[Spazito]

22. Probably, but I will take this....

admission for what it is, as flawed as it is, as well as hope some of those on DU will do, at the very least, as Carville did in this instance. I say hope because I am eternal optimist but, in reality, I know it is highly unlikely.

[MilesColtrane]

23. Yes, my respect for the vaguely-insectoid political operative who sleeps with the enemy...

has marginally risen.

I won't let him out from under the bus just yet, but I will allow him to stick his head out for some fresh air occasionally.

[Spazito]

28. LOL, well put and I feel the same! n/t

[lunasun]

44. Hope he tries to get lots of media time to make his apology like he did for his rants(he won't) nt

[Spazito]

50. Yep, I suspect CNN will not be airing this again and again...

as they did his rants, it doesn't serve their agenda.

[mzmolly]

18. K and

R. :kick:

[spanone]

20. james the fool

[seabeyond]

24. "cool, calm, and collected" ... i am glad he said this outloud. nt

[katandmoon]

29. Well, he's been brought back to heel. If Haley Barbour approves then we are so screwed.

[sabrina 1]

99. Yes, people seem to be missing that.

[scheming daemons]

30. I'm surprised this got so many recs.... what with the Obama bashing being in vogue here...

...good to see.

[Canuckistanian]

32. How did this man ever rise to prominence?

He's a testament to the aphorism of the empty drum being the loudest.

[UTUSN]

33. K&R #50 for, this is why apologies are useless. Damage is done & apology doesn't fix it. n/t

[mzmolly]

35. Hopefully he'll have some cred because he was critical upfront?

:shrug: Of course this matters not if he doesn't get an opportunity to spread his current message.

[UTUSN]

37. Well, HE took/MADE "the opportunity" to hop up & down & yell when he was griping

so now it's UP TO HIM to go on all those same venues and now do the apology thing. He needs to make an appointment with OBAMA and do it in front of the cameras. Just some ideas.

[mzmolly]

56. I'm with ya.

:hi:

[on point]

47. A critic on other matters, but I agree here

[grahamhgreen]

48. No offshore drilling ever. NT

[wiggs]

51. how much has the news talking about Jindal's failed sand berms? How much

did that cost and how much good did it do?

[Number23]

53. K&R "cool, calm, and collected" has again been shown to be superior to "bang the podium and scream

like a banshee" as a management personality."

But don't you know that screaming, pounding the podium and frothing at the mouth is the only way to show TRUE LEADERSHIP?!?!one!
Get with the program, man! :crazy:

[bertman]

54. Cool, calm and collected got the well capped in what was it?? 103 DAYS?

Brilliant leadership. Simply brilliant.

And now that the oil is disappearing from our TeeVee screens we can all start eating the seafood and swimming in the water and lying out on the beaches. And all of those sick workers and dead birds and mammals and fish will be just hunky dory.

[sabrina 1]

59. Amazing isn't it? Those PR firms hired by BP

gave James a call, and voila, the oil magically disappeared as far as he's concerned. Back to business as usual and the lemmings will defend BP now that they've got a handle on the situation. Too bad about the Gulf and the dead workers, collateral dammage is all it is and YOU need to STFU and start getting in line. Caring about people's lives, that's for idealists, pragmatists know who to care about, Big Oil and the politicians who work for them.

[JoeyT]

64. +1

We pretty much knew there'd be a bunch of "pragmatists" defending BP right after it happened. People that said as much were shouted down. Aaand yet, here we go. Oil magically disappeared, no harm no foul.

[AllTooEasy]

62. It was brilliant leadership, considering the BP lying and ...

...complete lack of BP technology to cap the well on day one! Recall that on the day the well broke, the technology to cap this well didn't exist. Everyone was clueless and running around helter-skelter.

Obama brought calm (although it was annoying at first) and intelligence to a problem completely outside his expertise. Remember that he's a lawyer, not an engineer.

Clinton would have done less!!! Either one of them. Oh yeah, Bill would would dove down in wet suit...and gotten fucking killed by the temperature and pressure.

[LTX]

82. Because, of course,

The President should have donned a dry suit and gone down and plugged the well with his bare hands. Now that would have been leadership.

And yes, you can eat Gulf seafood. Better than three-fourths of the Gulf was unaffected by fishing bans, and as of July 22, the NOAA re-opened 26,388 square miles of the restricted area. Gulf seafood is not poison, and your malicious slander is not at all helpful to the Gulf coast folks who are coping with an already difficult situation. Go piss on someone else.

[bertman]

100. My "malicious slander" is based on information from my Louisiana inlaws.

Consider yourself pissed on.

[tomp]

57. carville is a total jerk...

...so his endorsement of obama's actions means less than zilch to me. and for the record, his
criticism of obama meant nothing to me either.

and it's perhaps not really the end of the world. i am so comforted.

[1badjedi]

61. Something shiny?

Ok w/e.

I bet there are plenty of folks who live down there that don't give 2 shits what carville thinks. Especially the ones out of business.

[AllTooEasy]

63. Thanks, but No Thanks...you already helped the Repugs too much

[dembat]

65. James, James Ms Nippy should spank your butt

James I will not forgive you, for the way you acted towards the President. You should know better, you acted as your wife would, hey she was calmer than you. You democrats treat the President as though he is not a democrat. Shame on you.

[Hekate]

66. "Cool, calm, and collected" is pretty much why I voted for O and never regretted it.

Bush used to give me the creeps, the way he'd get all hot and bothered every time he'd talk about doing violence to some nation or person. He'd lean way over the podium and get a little hoarse and breathy about it -- made me shudder sometimes. As for actual crises: he wasn't "calm" in a crisis (9-11/Katrina/etc) -- he was completely spaced.

Obama does not bang his own drum enough, but by the same token some of us are aware that he is working away in his office and getting one task after another completed.

Hekate

[spicegal]

68. A little too reactionary, James?

I'm still glad we elected the smart guy who looks before he leaps.

[JNelson6563]

71. Carville is a complete asshole

I wouldn't let that asshole carry my shoes much less advise me on anything.

Julie

[SILVER__FOX52]

72. Carville only "fires" for effect...........

This guy (Carville) is brillant.

[LynneSin]

78. Outside of driving down to the gulf coast with a giant szie ShopVac - what else could Obama do?

It amazes me that Bush can run away from 9/11 or Katrina and yet the right-wing will slobber over him like hero. And yet, to me, Obama seemed like he was always on top of this Gulf Spill and yet still the right-wing criticized him.

[midnight]

88. The engineering talk about the cap and the mud business

has me still cautiously on edge. But more than this cap business is the business of BP. blocking real time news about the safety of the water, and the safety of the workers that no one should stay calm about. I want President Obama to get real loud about the safety concerns of these people doing the clean up.

[formercia]

91. Another reactionary hoist by his own petard.

:rofl:

[ChiciB1]

92. Well, I For One Won't Simply Take "Carville's" Word For It!! I've Come

to realize that I've heard far more LIES than TRUTHS in so many years that I'm simply CYNICAL, almost to the core!!

Can't say much more!

[Scurrilous]

95. K & R

:thumbsup: