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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 09:40 PM
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How can a call center employee artificially enhance amount of calls made?
It is driving me crazy. I can do about 140 calls in a day with all the incidentals that go with those calls and this one guy does 260 or better. He has befriended someone who now is chalking up almost as many. They take the time to play, text, plus I don't even hear them on the phone that much. I first heard about this from someone else but dismissed it.

I really wouldn't care but I am being measured against their volume and I am on the frigging phone non-stop.

They take all their breaks, but I don't get it. Even if I didn't take my breaks, I still would not be close. It is almost as if whatever they do is doubled.

I don't wish to stay there any longer than I have to, but this is really perplexing.
I know it is physically impossible to make that many calls if you are not on the phone.

What gives?
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jtuck004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 09:43 PM
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1. When I worked in a call center I ran up against the same issue

Found that people can take a call, hold about 20 secs, drop it an pick another - effectively doubles your call volume.

Are there sales, or info that has to be put in, something to measure the results of the calls? How does that compare?
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 09:52 PM
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6. The main software measures the amt of inbound and outbound calls only
and the time you were on the call if you dig into it.

I have a measurement on my own system to see where I stand...it is the same as mgmts readings.

I was wondering about asking the IT guy who hangs around.
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jtuck004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 10:28 PM
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12. Sure, buy him some coffee.

If everything is aboveboard, their call times must average at least 30% shorter than yours - what's missing?
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KILL THE WISE ONE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 09:44 PM
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2. ask them
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 09:53 PM
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7. They definitely won't share...that much I know about them
I wish they would....even if it was on my last DAY I would love to know how they did it.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 09:45 PM
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3. How do they track your volume? Do they have an auto counter or does
each caller keep a list?
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 09:57 PM
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9. Both
Being a high achiever, I realize I can never reach their volume....that is what drives me crazy.
Even if I took every shortcut I could (which I could get in trouble for), I would never, ever come close.

It is such a puzzle.

Once I am out of there, I probably will never give it a second thought but it is the mystery that is getting to me.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 09:47 PM
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4. I don't know what kind of calls they are, but some people always
figure a way to game the system. One of my co-workers at an inbound call center would tell callers to test something and then call back. His handle time was lower than everyone elses. Once he shared that information it got back to the supervisors, and they started listening for it.
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 09:54 PM
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8. Yes, they do occasionally listen in, but mostly to us newer people
Sucks to be me...lol.
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david13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 09:51 PM
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5. "This call will be recorded for your personal safety, and
for national security. Please stay on the line."
dc
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 10:07 PM
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10. It all depends on whether or not you really want to solve someone's problem or not
I know people who I work with who find the briefest way to answer someone, who just calls back to get a 'better' answer. I know that the extra time I spend with my customers keeps them from tying up the lines with repeat calls, and it especially saves time for higher-ups who would have to just take time to explain what I can explain.

In call centers, they measure all kinds of things, but its difficult for them to measure quality. When you stress factors A, B, and C as the things that get recorded, factors X, Y, and Z go right out the window.

I guess I'm fortunate, I'm union, and they won't be able to fire or discipline me for treating customers too well...
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 10:14 PM
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11. I used to work at a tech call center quite a while back. Here are some things I...
Edited on Thu Aug-05-10 10:25 PM by Poll_Blind
...picked up, first working the phones as the "gatekeeper" (it was for an enterprise product) and then as a technician to support the product. I'm a good guy and never did any of these, and eventually I was awarded a management position because of that. My quota as a gatekeeper was 113 calls a day. As a technician, about 13, FWIW. The quotas are set based on a formula of expected service and if these guys are getting almost double that, they're not giving the required service. This is soley from the gatekeeper perspective. Absolutely every call was to be logged and notated as thoroughly as possible because the same people often called back to continue work on a case.

Here are some things they might be doing:

:graybox: Outright dumping the calls. Just hanging up. Now this generally didn't work in our particular industry because the people would call right back and get someone who sat relatively close to you, complain, and your supervisor would find out about it very quickly.

:graybox: Call control into Hell: The operator at some point intentionally misdirects their call in order to essentially dump them, but to someplace where it's likely they'll get all sorts of strange run-arounds and delay calling back. Using good call control techniques it's possible to get a person to ask to be transferred into Hell, though they don't know it. Basically they'd use logical fallacies, presenting the customers with only a subset of their actual options- all of which would yield quick resolutions, usually with very low notes.

:graybox: Dumping into the queue: Same as above but they don't perform appropriate gatekeeper vigilance, transferring the person into the service queue either without notes, incorrect notes, shitty boilerplate notes or some other reason which reflects on the level of service the customer actually achieved.

:graybox: Boiler-plating their notes. They have textpad open with several (or several dozen, depending on the business) boiler plate notes to jam in the record. If done correctly, this is not only not a bad thing it's working smart. As long as you fill in the appropriate blanks.

:graybox: Actually manipulating the call system itself to rack up artificially high numbers with calls which appear to have an appropriate service length. This is one trick which is usually very specific to the phone system and how the switch (and maybe even the database software) works. Old timers who are either moving on to a different department or quitting will drop this to people they physically sit next to and if you keep track of your individual representatives' call volume/length you can actually see this go down. This knowledge is both really hard to come by and can be very difficult to spot. Manager goes on break? Plug in three extra calls. Manager goes on lunch? 10 extra calls. That sort of thing.

:graybox: Blowing the manager or being your manager's dealer. This does happen. Managers can usually manipulate the system (at least where I worked) and although it could be audited to catch this sort of behavior it was almost never done.

That's just the big ones I can think of.

Now, it could be that you're just busting your balls when you don't need to. You might care a little too much and giving a higher level of service than the company requires of you. It can be a good thing or a bad thing when it comes to review time, depending on who's chewing on your boss and why. Ask your boss, they'll usually help you find out what they really expect from you. The place I worked, though, you'd never get a straight answer: The managers themselves could get chewed out for any reason and they just couldn't predict what metric they'd actually be held accountable for.

It's a shitty job but you can actually get very good if you don't just treat it like work but actually do some research, and spend a little time outside work, just trying to improve your "game". Most people don't want to think about work when they're not working but, really, these folks could have streamlined themselves into top positions because they're willing to do that.

Two hours a week and after a few weeks I bet you'll get higher numbers. Work smart, not hard. :)

Good luck! If you eventually find out what they're doing, drop me a PM- I'd love to know!

OnEdit: You can find out just by listening to them. Get near to them enough times, take your break and find a reason to be near enough to overhear them, etc. If they're turning over that many calls, it really should not take long to figure out exactly what they're doing.

PB
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 10:30 PM
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13. I get a lot of hang-up calls from telemarketers
Edited on Thu Aug-05-10 10:30 PM by EC
so maybe that's how... the call is completed-answered and hung up...it sure cuts the time short...
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 11:04 PM
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14. 260 calls in an 8 hour day
is 32.5 calls per hour, or a rate slightly faster than one call every 2 minutes.

You may want to take the time to observe how they do (or don't really) do it.
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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 01:19 AM
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15. Ask a supervisor for "call control" advice. Cooking the numbers
usually makes them look good too. Sometimes it helps the company financially. They might give you some hints about what could be done. They are generally going to know what is really happening.
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 02:50 AM
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16. Ask your supervisor if you can "train" with these super agents.
Explain you strive to be the best agent/rep/(whatever your position is called), and would like to observe or get additional training and tips from the top guys, to improve your performance. Your boss should appreciate your drive to succeed, and may tell/reveal something to you (even if your request is denied.)

It definitely sounds like they're cheating though...

Let us know what happens, and good luck to you!

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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 12:57 PM
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17. Encouraged questionable conduct could get you thrown under the bus.
In a high turnover environment nobody has your back so be smart about it. Being the top call taker is not necessarily the best plan.
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 09:42 PM
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18. I never worked a tech support line that required X number of calls per day.
But on asking a friend that did, the best they could come up with was "They're probably either hanging up on customers by "accident" or "bad lines" or just transferring them to someone else, if it's possible to do that.
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vanlassie Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 09:47 PM
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19. I used to work for a major call center
Edited on Fri Aug-06-10 09:48 PM by vanlassie
and there was a time when we all lost our mute buttons, because apparently someone was muting, then "losing" calls. I always played by the rules and gave good service AND had good volume- but this was because I cut to the chase, anticipated the questions- and got off with no extra chatting. And I documented, but didn't over doc the way some did.

Editing to add: The reason for the mute was that then the monitoring could not pick up the hang up.
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