So please tell me again: What's the war about?

[SHRED]

Yeah...what the HELL is it about?

:shrug:

There are many people in Afghanistan and Pakistan — the ones still living — who deeply resent the US presence there and the drones that fly overhead and drop bombs on their houses, their wedding parties, their funerals, their life. As in Iraq, the American "war on terrorism" in Afghanistan regularly, routinely, and conspicuously creates numerous new anti-American terrorists.

The only "war of necessity" that draws the United States to Afghanistan is the need for protected oil and gas pipelines from the Caspian Sea area, the establishment of military bases in this country that is surrounded by the oil-rich Caspian Sea and Persian Gulf regions, and making it easier to watch and pressure next-door Iran. What more could any respectable imperialist nation desire? Oh, did I mention that the military-industrial-security-intelligence complex and its shareholders will be further enriched?

But the war against the Taliban can't be won. Except perhaps by killing everyone in Afghanistan. The United States should negotiate the pipelines with the Taliban, as the Clinton administration tried to do, without success, then get out, and declare "victory". Barack Obama can surely deliver an eloquent victory speech.

http://killinghope.org/bblum6/aer84.html

[gateley]

1. M.O.N.E.Y. --

I'm not sure how, but that's the answer to why we do anything. It's always the fucking money.

[Berserker]

5. UMMMMMM

I think it's either you are with us or against us or some other John Wayne bullshit. I forget.

[LawnKorn]

16. The Republicans and the Bush Administration guaranteed a ride on the gravy train for the M.I C

The following members of the Military Industrial Complex bought and paid for political favors to extend, expand, and sustain their businesses:

Lockheed Martin
Boeing
BAE Systems
Northrop Grumman
Raytheon
General Dynamics
EADS
L-3 Communications
Finmeccanica
United Technologies
Thales
KBR
SAIC
General Electric
Honeywell
Rolls-Royce
ITT
DCNS
Computer Sciences Corp.
ATK
DRS Technologies
SAFRAN
Saab
Booz Allen Hamilton
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries
Textron
Rockwell Collins
Almaz-Antei
EDS
Rheinmetall
Armor
URS
Israel Aerospace Industries
Hindustan Aeronautics
Dassault Aviation
QinetiQ
Goodrich
Harris
Elbit Systems
GKN Group
Krauss-Maffei Wegmann
Oshkosh Truck
CACI
Bechtel
VT Group
Cobham
Kawasaki
ManTech International
Rafael Armament Development Authority
Mitsubishi Electric
Nexter
Diehl Stiftung
Washington Group International
ST Engineering
Babcock International Group
Battelle
Indra Sistemas
Bharat Electronics
NEC
EDO
Tactical Missiles
Fincantieri
The Aerospace Corp.
Jacobs Engineering Group
Aviation Holding Company
Patria
Irkut
MiG
Tenix Defence
Teledyne Technologies
Cubic
AAI
Ultra Electronic Holdings
Russia’s Helicopters
Curtiss-Wright
Ufa Enginebuilding
Ruag Suisse
ARINC
Korea Aerospace Industries
Severnaya Verf
Aerospace Equipment
Meggitt
CAE
Israel Military Industries
Kongsberg Gruppen
Alion Science and Technology
BearingPoint
Ball
IHI Marine United
Fujitsu
KB Priborostroyeniya (Instrument Design Bureau)
Toshiba
Rotem Co.
MMPP Salyut
Orbital Sciences
IHI
Aselsan
Komatsu
Admiralteiskiye Verfi
Chemring

[slackmaster]

2. Absolutely nothin'

Say it again.

[Webster Green]

3. To rid the world of evildoers.

Seriously. That was the reason given by the chimp. :shrug:

[DJ13]

4. Its a welfare program

[RandomThoughts]

6. Not sure what those wars are about. There probably are many reasons.

On a side note, I can comment on my own conflicts, and even wrote a list of goals, most are more about all of society, but for balance some about self also. Currently I am working a bit on self goals also, since there has been some movement in other goals. Priorities and balance in reasons and goals seems to be important in life.

(self goals is an example of way of thinking in this post)


AC/DC - Thunderstruck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvoeeq-BH4w

[msongs]

7. $$ for war profiteers, job security for the military, and presidents who dont believe in the 10

commandments though they believe the bible says marriage is only between a male and a female human.

[midnight]

8. The reasons don't matter. Bring them home.

[RKP5637]

9. But what would the MIC do? They're looking for some sustained lucrative heavy profiteering.

[Vinnie From Indy]

10. The Afghan War has become another indelible stain of shame on our country

The fact is that even the eloquent Barak Obama speaking about the reasons we are in Afghanistan after eight long years sounded only like an articulate GW Bush. The reasons he laid out are just as ridiculous as when GW Bush and Dick Cheney uttered them.

The reason this war continues is M O N E Y. Insatiable greed and the means to control the vast majority of news outlets keeps the dogs of war unchained.

[RagAss]

11. It was written.

[1badjedi]

12. Nothing better to do?

Ya got me. /shrug

[tularetom]

13. What it's about changes from time to time

But whatever the current explanation is, it's nothing we haven't heard before.

And the stories are beginning to sound lame and repetitive.

It was almost comical when the idiot bush tried to explain it. It's painful when somebody as intelligent and articulate as Obama offers the same BS in a more eloquent package.

[Hardrada]

14. It is BECAUSE we are better than other people, especially those of us who are

white and have some money. It is our right to send the peasantry into battle to get rid of people who don't like us and who want to keep their resources which WE need. And others should realize that they are generally inferior so they must defer to us and if they try to stop us they are stopping progress and democracy and must be killed. If people really get to know us they will like us but they had better smile a whole lot.

[Hardrada]

15. Need more answers here.

[inna]

17. One word - Profits.

:nuke:

[maryf]

22. yep

or maybe capitalism if one word is needed, both work...

[old mark]

18. Our former President - W-thought it was a great idea to boost his popularity

and US industrial profits. He had no real reason to start either war other than these two things and his ego.

mark

[WVRICK13]

19. It's About ProppingUp

the military industrial complex so they can continue taking over the entire government.

[Bitwit1234]

20. To begin with it was about the continuation of

trying to make Bush a real hot Cowboy. And it worked for a while.

[Locrian]

21. What do you mean? We've always been at war with Oceana... n/t

[City Lights]

23. Transfer of wealth.

From us to the MIC.

[maryf]

24. kick Gotta look at his opening paragraph folks:

recc'd earlier



So please tell me again: What's the war about?

When facts are inconvenient, when international law, human rights and history get in the way, when war crimes can't easily be justified or explained away, when logic doesn't help much, the current crop of American political leaders turns to what is now the old reliable: 9/11. We have to fight in Afghanistan because ... somehow ... it's tied into what happened on September 11, 2001. Here's Vice-President Joe Biden: "We know that it was from the space that joins Afghanistan and Pakistan that the attacks of 9/11 occurred."

read it all folks...

[bigwillq]

25. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

$$$$$$$$OIL$$$$$$$$$POWER$$$$$$$$$$$OIL$$$$$$$$$$$$POWER$$$$$$$$$$GREED$$$$$$$$$$$$OIL

[blindpig]

26. k&r

[maryf]

27. Kick,nt

[BeFree]

28. China.. its about China

AfPak is on China's back door.

Either we are there to be a threat to China,
or China wants us there to fight for them and protect their empire from AfPak.

And money flows. The money flows mean lots of skimming. Lots.

[Hardrada]

29. And WHY really?

[KG]

30. i'm sure the Big Fans will be along soon to enlighten us with their FACTs

:eyes:

[BeFree]

31. Big Fans?

You mean blowhards that are full of nothing but hot air?

[Hardrada]

32. Chilling words above.

[flvegan]

33. Heretofor, I summon forth the ProBama blue-linked post of hope and change!!!