Treatment of Giuliani's Shoplifting Daughter Shocks the (NY) Post

[meegbear]

Poor Caroline Giuliani. Arrested for stealing makeup from Sephora on the Upper East Side on Wednesday, she was obviously the victim of inept police work because she was handcuffed. Handcuffed! The daughter of "America's Mayor" deserves better than that.

Caroline allegedly slid $100 worth of makeup into her jacket pocket, which was caught on a security camera. The store didn't want to press charges after learning it was Rudy Giuliani's daughter, but a hero cop happened to be there and called in for backup. The absolutely shocking details of Caroline's arrest, from the Post:

Cops then slapped her with cuffs and hauled her to the station house, where she stewed in a cell before getting a desk-appearance ticket on a petit-larceny charge and a future court date.

She was released to a crowd of waiting reporters and photographers out the front door, instead of being given the option to have a car pull around back and slip her out.

What?! She was cuffed and arrested for taking something from a store without paying for it? And she sat in a jail cell with actual criminals? What kind of world is this we live in where the daughter of a True American Hero is treated like a normal person?

Nobody did her any favors," a police source said. "In fact, it's almost like they went out of their way not to help her."

Outrageous.

http://gawker.com/5606220/treatment-of-giulianis-shoplifting-daughter-shocks-the-post

[peekaloo]

1. Wudy must have cut her off from borrowing his makeup.

that wascal.

[racaulk]

5. !!!

:rofl:

[formercia]

9. She got tired of looking like Marie Antoinette

[Dappleganger]

2. This part is a shame.

They are treating her worse because of who she is. They should treat everybody the same.

[Raineyb]

6. What do you mean this is a shame? That's how shoplifters are treated

when you're not rich and famous. I'll cry no tears because Ghouliani's spoiled progeny was treated like the common folk Ghouliani spent 8 years spitting on as mayor.

[LostinVA]

19. Actually, most shoplifters aren't handcuffed

Unless they cause problems. In my time, I've had quite a few arrested, and very few were ever cuffed. I also would sometimes go up to the person and ask them if they were ready to pay for what they had shoplifted. I especially did this with kids and older people.

[Renew Deal]

24. Prove it....

Were those people taken to the police station? In NYC if you take a ride in a police car, you're wearing the accompanying silver bracelets.

[alcibiades_mystery]

26. In NYC, if store owners or management

contact the police, then you have to be removed from the store, and if you are transported, you have to be cuffed.

She was technically not arrested, since she was not booked. Once you are booked into custody, only a judge or prosecutor can determine your status (you are "in the system"); in the case of a desk appearance ticket, the officer(s) on the scene can choose to release you at their discretion (as seems to have happened here). She was detained and transported until a determination could be made on her status. A desk appearance ticket can be given on the scene or in the precinct house; its issuance is not considered an arrest strictly speaking since it does not involve booking a detainee into custody. In the case of shoplifting, the desk appearance ticket cannot be issued on the scene (as would happen, for example, in the case of "drinking in public" summons), since the suspect must be transported out of the store. I think the other special case is turnstile jumping, where you have to be brought to the local transit police substation rather than be issued a DAT on the scene. In both cases, I think these policies are deterrent-based, since you appear to be getting arrested, even though you are not technically being arrested (i.e., booked).

I should also note here that MANY stores will not call the police on shoplifters, but can still get them on the hook for some multiple of the value of the shoplifted items (supermarkets in NYC are notorious for this practice).

[Raineyb]

25. She was arrested. The police handcuff people when transporting them..

It doesn't matter what the charge is. She wasn't treated any worse than anyone else in the city who gets arrested for shoplifting. There is nothing to be outraged about. Unless of course the problem is handcuffing any shoplifter but that's a different kettle of fish than what the original complaint was about.

I'll repeat. I'll shed no tears because Ghouliani's spoiled progeny got the same treatment the rest of us peons in this city would have received in the same situation.

[LostinVA]

28. The cops don't also cuff people when they are arrested

And when transporting people.

I also don't think I said I was outraged, I just mentioned that in all the years I worked retail management and had people arrested for shoplifting, very, very few were cuffed by the cops. They were just put in the squad car.

[alcibiades_mystery]

29. Where?

[Renew Deal]

30. NYC is different.

:shrug:

[Raineyb]

36. Perhaps you should qualify that with where you are. Because the story

in question takes place in NYC and if the NYPD is transporting you, and you are in their custody, you are cuffed.

[alcibiades_mystery]

38. Little story on this point

Only time I was ever transported (in custody) by the NYPD without cuffs:

It was Halloween 1990, and we were in a big group, maybe 60 people, walking up a side street towards Northern Blvd (in Queens).

Just for context, Halloween was a war zone in NYC in the late 80's and early 90's - earlier that night we had been sprayed with Nair out of a fire extinguisher by a couple of dudes in the back of a pick up truck. When they came back around to spray us some more, we smashed the truck up by throwing broken cinder blocks at it (I heard later that the two guys in the back both needed stitches in their heads.

So, anyway, we're walking in a big mob, probably heading up to the stores on Northern for more beer or something, and an NYPD van pulls around the corner with the sirens on, and a whole mess of cops jump out, and there's squad cars behind us and in front of us at Northern. We all stop. The cops say "Everybody against the wall," so everybody lines up against a wall that's the side of some shop on Northern. Now here's the funny part.

The shift captain or some other leader type says "Take ten." So an officer starts counting off: "You...you...you..." it's totally fucking random selection of ten of us. "You...you..and...you." I get picked next to last. Fuck. So they send us into the van, but don't cuff us. My buddy still has a beer in his pocket, which he places behind the last seat in the van (mind you, we were like 17 at the time). Ni ciffs! We're taken down to the precinct, issued desk appearance tickets ("Disorderly Conduct," - dismissed by the judge when we relayed the story of our apprehension), and let go.

[Sanity Claws]

8. They are not treating her worse

Sephora called the precinct saying they would not press charges. Undoubtedly it is because of who she is.
http://gothamist.com/2010/08/05/caroline_giuliani_will_never_forget.php

She is getting treated better, not worse.

[lunatica]

10. How did they treat her worse?

Just because every arrest isn't in the papers doesn't mean they treat others any differently. And where did they mistreat her?

[alcibiades_mystery]

13. They are not treating her worse

She got a ticket. She didn't even get booked into central booking. This is how the vast majority of petty shoplifters are treated in NYC. They can't give you a ticket on the spot, because they have to transport you out of the store. This is common procedure. They can't transport you unless they cuff you. End of fucking story. An hour in a holding cell (at the precinct!) and a DAT is not some exorbitant punishment.

[NYC Liberal]

16. No, but you want her treated BETTER because of who she is.

She's getting the same treatment as all the rest of the proles.

[Dappleganger]

34. Where did I say that??

No, I said that she should be treated the SAME as everybody else who is caught doing the same thing. I swear to God people on this forum get so upset over stuff they MAKE UP.

[Renew Deal]

23. Ummmm, no.

The store wanted to let her go because of who she is. The cops referred her to the DA.

[racaulk]

3. The rich sure don't like being treated like common folk, do they?

:nopity:

[leftofcool]

4. poor widdle baby.........handcuffs and all

If her name had been Maria Sanchez she would have been tazed or worse.

[lunatica]

11. If her name was Maria Sanchez she wouldn't have made it into the upscale store

[leftofcool]

15. True enough!

[Renew Deal]

22. Bullshit

Your comment is racist and lacks understanding of the neighborhood and the "upscale" store.

[lunatica]

33. Get a grip

I didn't think it was necessary to include the sarcasm gif, because I overestimated the ability of some DUers to understand the uses of a broad brush statement. Obviously I was wrong.

[Renew Deal]

21. Not in NYC

NYPD officers doesn't carry tazers IIRC. Superiors might carry them.

[johnnie]

7. Fucking cops!

I hope all these pigs involved lose their jobs. Welcome to the police state everyone!















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[alcibiades_mystery]

12. If she sat in a cell at the precinct, it was likely empty

Essentially, she was barely even "arrested," since she wasn't booked (that would have required a trip to Manhattan Central Booking, where she would be in the holding pen with "actual criminals" (like herself!)). She was given the most minor of NYC treatments: a little precinct time and a Desk Appearance Ticket (we used to call these "Disappearance Tickets" when I was growing up in Queens...then again, I've had the pleasure of kicking back for a day or two in the holding pens at Queens Central Booking...no vacation).

Basically, the vans run from the precinct houses to the central bookings facilities pretty often. You don't get precinct house holding cells filing up with detainees, unless it's like Halloween or something like that. One desk appearance ticket I received, they just sat me at a desk in the briefing room, ask me a few questions about gang affiliation, and wrote out the disturbing the peace summons. See ya later. Have a good one, occifer...it's not that big a deal.

[LynneSin]

14. I've read several times that Guiliani is estranged from his son. Alot of it due to Judi

I'm guessing this is pretty much down that same alley

[Ikonoklast]

17. A common thief getting treated like...a common thief.

Works for me.

[JBoy]

18. Did they bring in Betty White to scare her straight?

[racaulk]

27. The Wizard of AAASSSSS!!!

:rofl:

[Renew Deal]

20. The cops did the right thing

I think they were aware of the appearance of favoritism and dealt with it. They did a good job.

[tinymontgomery]

31. Thank goodness she wasn't wearing

a wet white tee shirt, then she really would be in trouble.

[niyad]

32. wonder how she was behaving? as in "do you know who I am?"

[edbermac]

35. Would the Post be shocked if Chelsea Clinton was busted?

Somehow I doubt it.

[treestar]

37. They didn't want to press charges just because of who she was?

:wtf: